Right but the original post was about the PC-MAC network and not the DEC OS
thus the path the thread is taking.
There was also a TOPS for UNIX (Sun 386). Also TOPS could work through
Ethernet (used mostly when UNIX was involved) wich would allow for more that
just PC-MAC networks.
According to the Book "Networking with TOPS" the original version was made
by SUN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Peacock <peacock(a)simconv.com>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: TOPS for PC, from sun
>
>>Well, it says that it is a full networking OS that allows mac's and
>PC's
>to communicate, etc. seems somewhat along the lines of what francois
>has. also has a "secret proprietary etc etc" program disk called
>"RTERM", circa 1985.
>
>Daniel A. Seagraves wrote:
>>
>> If it is what I immediately thought it was, (Which it can't be,
>> DEC owned TOPS, not Sun...) *I WANT A COPY!*
>>
>> (TOPS-20 on a PC! The horror!)
>> -------
>
>Seems there is some confusion here. TOPS-10 and TOPS-20 were DEC
>operating systems for the 36-bit DEC-10 and DEC-20 mainframes, circa
>late 60's (DEC-10) thru late 70's (DEC-20). TOPS dies when the VAX came
>out, thought there are vestiges left in VMS.
>
>The TOPS networking cards were essentially Appletalk cards for PCs. It
>was a low speed network using a Z80 SIO (or SCC?) serial USART and
>RS-422 drivers instead of RS-232. IIRC the speed was around
>230Kbits/second (I have one in the back of a closet, haven't looked at
>it for a while). No relation to the TOPS operating system at all.
> Jack Peacock
>
One more. Sorry.
MOOG Walter Carlos- the well tempered synth Item #23980914
Ebay. Again, no bids.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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This is an old auction on eBay I happened to run across. Perhaps this
item is still available:
MOOG Walter Carlos- Switched on Bach Mint Item #23979261
The auction ended with no bids.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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>>So, I'm back from my short (2wks) vacation in Estonia.
>>And I have a new Baby: A Juku. Thats an estonian
>>Z-80 Home computer from 1990 (ok, less than 10 Years,
>>but it fitts well here :). And in fact it is a SU computer,
>>since estonia was still part of the SSSR at this time.
>>Anything beside CPU and PIO ist still discrete TTL. The
>>caracterset is a 8 bit code with ASCII in the lower 128
>>chars and cyrillic and special symbols in the upper 128.
>>CUTE! I also aquired a dual FD and a _mouse_. But I miss
>>the DOS. The previous owner tried to use all Disks in a
>>PC :(((( THere are also no Manuals. So, if anybody knows
>>any additional source of information, pleas give me a
>>hint.
> As usual, I am willing to decode any cyrillic for you.
Oh, decoding cyrillic istn't a real problem - it just
consumes a lot of processing time for my biodynamic
interpreter :)
> No, I haven't heard anything about this, but what does
> this thing look like? Commodoreish?
Hmm - a bit - think of a Dragon after kissed by a steam
roller. It's a 4 MHz Z80A clone with 16 KB dyn mem (max
64 kb), 6 kb video mem (afaI can guess) and integrated
FD controller.
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
IIRC alot of companies OEMed TOPS from TOPS (the original company) then
Digital once TOPS was acquired.
Tony
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Francois [mailto:fauradon@pclink.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 1998 3:27 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: TOPS for PC, from sun
>
>
> Well actually I have a SUN branded version of TOPS for the
> MAC and a Centram
> branded version for both the PC and the MAC. I guess it's
> going from hand to
> hands or maby on is a clone of the other.I haven't installed
> them yet but
> I'm planning on using them to hook my MACs to my PC network
> with a FlashCard
> on a dedicated PC..
> Francois
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Visit the desperately in need of update
> Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel A. Seagraves <DSEAGRAV(a)toad.xkl.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Date: Sunday, August 23, 1998 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: TOPS for PC, from sun
>
>
> >If it is what I immediately thought it was, (Which it can't be,
> >DEC owned TOPS, not Sun...) *I WANT A COPY!*
> >
> >(TOPS-20 on a PC! The horror!)
> >-------
> >
>
Allison -
IIRC, you were about to write some code to hook up one of these
parallel-IDE HD kits to a CP/M machine with an EPP. Could this be made into
a more generic project to allow file transfer over any CP/M parallel port?
I for one would like to be able to transfer CP/M files from a variety of old
systems to a portable IDE drive which could also be read on my PC in order
to make archival copies of software for CD-ROMs. And I think there would be
other interested parties as well.
On another matter, thanks for the RAM 17 manual. And I'm sending you 2
unopened boxes of Dysan 10-hole hard sectored disks for your N*, plus
another dozen of used, but perhaps not as used as some of yours, N* disks.
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
So, I'm back from my short (2wks) vacation in Estonia.
And I have a new Baby: A Juku. Thats an estonian
Z-80 Home computer from 1990 (ok, less than 10 Years,
but it fitts well here :). And in fact it is a SU computer,
since estonia was still part of the SSSR at this time.
Anything beside CPU and PIO ist still discrete TTL. The
caracterset is a 8 bit code with ASCII in the lower 128
chars and cyrillic and special symbols in the upper 128.
CUTE! I also aquired a dual FD and a _mouse_. But I miss
the DOS. The previous owner tried to use all Disks in a
PC :(((( THere are also no Manuals. So, if anybody knows
any additional source of information, pleas give me a
hint.
Gruss
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
If anyone has definitive information on obtaining / copying the ROM's needed
to convert the Lisa / Mac XL back to the original Lisa, please copy me with
the info. Never having had even a Mac before, I hate to think that I ALMOST
have a Lisa, but instead have just an old Mac.
Bob Stek
bobstek(a)ix.netcom.com
Well, not only did I win the Ebay auction for all the 70's electronics
parts (he didn't even want my winning bid), I went over this weekend to
fill up my car (a 1990 Ford T-bird).
I am going back to get the rest next weekend but I was able to fill my
then empty trunk with 74lsxxx parts, all brand new in tubes (the guy
believes there is at lease one tube of every part in the series in
there). My back seat is full of 3M ribbon cable (various wire counts)
and tons of din and card edge connectors. I think I grabbed a box full
of 68K and Z80 processors also.
What I'm nabbing next week; A NEC Spinwriter with a bunch of spindles, a
box full of 10MB Priam hard drives, a box full of Shugart 8" floppy
drives, more din and card edge connectors and (if I can get Allison's
help) a 19" 6-foot rack :)
Once I can go thru and sort all this stuff, I'll probably be offering
them online for people that need them. I'll probably just charge for
shipping, maybe a meager fee to offset the cost of storage.
Tony
Subject: Re: The glorious 12th.....
From: Sparky <dl(a)r-m-c.demon.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:43:28 +0100
Message-ID: <eJeG6UAwMT31EwnX(a)r-m-c.demon.co.uk>
Organization: Timber Kitchen Utensils R Us
Newsgroups: demon.local
On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, Sparky wibbled thusly:
Hmm... FUTOP :(
>>:We ripped our PDP out a couple of weeks ago, when we replaced our
>>:Process Control Software. I can make enquiries if you wish?
>>
>>Wow! That'd be brilliant (If you could)
>
>I'll ask around next week.
Coupla calls: One of our sites still uses PDP, and our old one is being
kept incase of problems. However, that site is upgrading in a few weeks.
The PDP will be available in about two months, free to a good home (at
least, that's what they're saying ATM), so remind me nearer the time.
