> Yeah, that's something I always had a problem with, the idea that
> vegetarians are peaceful and meat-eaters are violent without cause.
> Well, my ancestors labored for literally millions of years to get
> me to the top of the food chain and I will not waste their effort.
>
> Of course, that's with animals, who (despite PETA) have no rights.
> As a proper libertarian, I can never initiate force (or fraud)
> against another person. Though if force is initiated against me, I
> am justified in responding with whatever is required.
>Department?
Does that mean that if someone at a hamfest threatened you with an IBM XT
that you'd nail 'em with a C=64 <g>?
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I'd have to say ANYTHING made by Toshiba - old or new. Although... it'd
probably fall apart before it hits the ground....
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> From: Max Eskin <maxeskin(a)hotmail.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Shame, shame, shame
> Date: Monday, August 24, 1998 6:45 PM
>
Well, it'll fit into the landfill better anyway...
Here's a question: what _obsolete_ computer would you choose for this
miracle machine, assuming you have unlimited power?
My choice would have to be an IBM PC just to vent..
>
>> Plus consider that you could then ask for the smashed machines and
>> restore them. THere is unlikely to be any serious damage except
>> drives and CRTs. You could certainly scrounge the chips.
>
>Max, depending on how large this catapult is, and therefore how high
the
>object goes, an object hurling back to earth at 100MPH would certainly
end
>up in state hardly susceptible to repair.
>
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>On drives that store the same number of bits/track - most floppies apart
>from Commodore and Mac ones, most 'raw-interfaced' hard disks (ST506,
>SMD, RK05, RL01, etc), the inner track has the smallest area storing each
>bit (think about it, the inner track is shorter).
So PC disks are less reliable then Mac and Commodore disks, then?
Tom
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I have recently acquired a Data General Nova and an honest-to-god
Teletype---I think it's an ASR-35. My roommate is furious, but that's
beside the point.
The point is this machine is much older than I am; this is going to be a
completely new (and fascinating) experience. I am 21 years old, and if you
do the math (and if I've done the math correctly) you'll find that the
Nova is 8 years older than me.
I don't want to screw this up. The guy who I got it from knew a lot about
it; he got it in 1982 and used it quite a lot. He told me a lot of stuff
that was important, but I wasn't expecting what I got and was too
overwhelmed to think to take notes.
At any rate, the first thing I have to do is take an inventory, and after
that I think I shall require excruciating amounts of assistence from the
list making sure it's ready to be fired up (and after that, making
sure I can run it properly)---but I know that you all are up to it. (:
Wish me luck.
ok
r.
< Does anyone out there know of some sort of gizmo that could be made tha
< would convert an old RLL or MFM Hard drive to be used with a parallel
< interface? I've seen then for IDE, but that's it. I've got a couple o
< old HD's laying around that I'd like to put to use, but there's no room
< any of my computers to put them.
Parallel interface on what? PCs are the only ones you can count on for a
consistant (sorta) interface. Few others are similar. To go from
parallel (assuming it's bidirectional) you would need something like
a WD1002HDO adaptor and some custom logic and software.
VERY NON TRIVIAL! It would be a fair amount of proframming effort and
hhardware to pull it together.
< By the way, does anyone have any old Apple or TRS-80 external disk drive
< that they'd want to get rid of for a few bucks? I don't need the drive
< itself. I need the case and power supply and that's it. If they're
< TRS-80, I could use the drive itself, too.
Apple and trs80 drives are not interchangeable though the case/PS would
be. I think I still have one with a drive.
Allison
At 05:34 PM 8/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>It never ceases to amaze me that, when offered an opportunity to
>celebrate in a positive manner, groups of people will choose to smash,
>burn and destroy things instead. If it were some kind of demonstration
Hear hear! I don't get it either!
>Myself, I prefer dancing and singing to celebrate things. What happened
>to dressing up in costumes and building floats and giving away free stuff
>like candy or food?
Well, here in San Francisco, people still do that on holidays... well,
actually, they do that everyday... 8^)
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Speaking of Memorex-Telex, could someone please summarize their
history? Just curious, always wondering.
>Got it set. I got impatient and used GSETUP31 to initially set the
>scrambled date, time and drive types to get it to boot and found the
>setup program from Mem-Tel on the hard drive (duh). I copied it off for
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> "On disk platters," he said, "the inside track
> is the least reliable one."
>
This was true when drives were formatted with the same number of sectors
on each track, regardless of position. Because the inner tracks had a
shorter circumference, the bit density was highest on the innermost
track. Now that drives are not directly addressed by
cylinder/head/sector, the number of sectors can vary by track, so bit
density is evenly distributed, outer tracks have more sectors than inner
tracks.
Where you see this limitation was on older MFM and RLL drives where the
controller was not integrated onto the drive itself (pre-SCSI and
pre-IDE).
Jack Peacock
>However, as a sysadmin, every so often I feel the primal urge to "get
even" with the machines that are a constant pain in my arse.
Disassembling
a semi-functional Wang PC with a splitting maul is very cathartic when
things get to that point.
Does anyone still have that classic cover from an early issue of
Interface Age? The one where the programmer has just buried a fire axe
in an ASR-33 teletype.
That's one every TTY user can identify with, watching your listing
slowly crawl across the page at 10 CPS.
Jack Peacock
At 05:34 PM 8/24/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Myself, I prefer dancing and singing to celebrate things. What happened
>to dressing up in costumes and building floats and giving away free stuff
>like candy or food?
>
>Ah well...
Blame the lawyers and the liabililty laws... (from a one time float
builder and one who remembers when it was actually fun to be in a parade)
-jim
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