Curious. Same goes for people who aren't in a large company and
invent various other things. How did he 'invent' a gun without
owning the necessary tools (at least I doubt a magazine writer would
own this stuff) to process metal? Also, how did Woz make a case for
the Apple ][, etc? Are there companies that take single orders
like this?
>
>Elmer Keith was a well known gunsmith and magazine writer (was it Guns
&
>Ammo?). Among other things he's credited with inventing the .44 magnum
>pistol round (IIRC) in 1955.
> Jack Peacock
>
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In the body of the message:
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Everyone else already on the list, see below my sig for Chuck's original
message. He needs help with memory for his PDP/8.
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Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:46:11 -0700
From: Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)freegate.com>
Reply-To: baccl(a)retronet.net
To: Bay Area Computer Collectors List <baccl(a)retronet.net>
Subject: PDP-8 memory stack
Hello,
I'm new to this list (Sam Ismail suggested I join it), allow me to
introduce myself. I'm an engineer at a startup (FreeGate Corp) and have
been using computers since 1972 when I first laid hands on a PDP-8/e.
Since then I've used a variety of them (still have the boards, docs and
cassette tapes, from a Digital Grourp Z-80 system, my first computer.)
I am the Executive Director for the Society for the Preservation Of
Classic Computers (SPOCC). My current project for the society is to seek
charitable status under section 501(c)(3) of the IRS code.
My current restoration project is a PDP-8/m that is, sadly, without
memory. I've been looking around for a 4K stack for about 1.5 months
now. Progress to date includes buying a stack from Keyways Inc
(www.keyways.com) but having only the Core section work (the sense amps
and xy drivers are not working correctly) These boards are labelled G104
and G227 in DEC flip chip parlance. If you know of anyone who has a
working core stack, I'd be interested to hear about it. I paid Keyways
$75 each (to be refunded since they don't work) for these boards. I've
paid $10/each for "AS-IS" boards. DEC claims they have replacement stock
available at $1800. (a bit much for me...)
--Chuck
Since the Challenger explosion, NASA policy has been not to perform
shuttle launches for the purpose of delivering communications
sattelites.
>> Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
>> sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re:
>> freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent
>> Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the
>> invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by
>> Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in
>> interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living
>> breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need
>> interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped.
>
>I may be naive, but I understand that the satellite was owned by
>a connecticut company who was have it launched to replace the one
>which went bad earlier this year, knocking out millions of pagers,
>etc.
>
>> several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's
very
>> curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on
>> thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many
>> billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a
toy
>> like that.
>
>So would I... and I would have suspect that such a satellite would have
>been launched from vandenburg. This is part of the reason I do believe
>it was a communicates satellite.
>
>BTW - if not from vandenburg, then aboard a shuttle...
>
> Megan Gentry
> Former RT-11 Developer
>
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The September issue of PC World makes a very good point. 'Privacy'
is not mentioned in the Constitution. And while you're outraged at
invasions of privacy, read some Noam Chomsky and find out what you
should be angry at even more... (Chomsky Reader or via web search for
'Noam Chomsky').
> Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
> sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re:
> freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent
> Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the
> invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by
> Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in
> interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living
> breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need
> interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped.
>
> Marty
>
>
>
>
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>Subject: Re: Deja vu
>Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
>Date: 8/28/98 1:21 PM
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Max Eskin wrote:
>
> > Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would
guess
> > some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
> > seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
> > computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
> > they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
>
> Sure! One out of hundreds of Space Shuttle flights. 1 out of, how
many
> was that, 4 Apollo flights. A couple recently out of hundreds in the
past
> several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's very
> curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on
> thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many
> billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a toy
> like that.
>
> Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I at least like to HOPE that
someone
> out there cares enough about freedom that they had a hose accidentally
> snipped or something, know what I mean?
>
> Sam Alternate e-mail:
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>I can make a 16-bit version if someone throws the complete source my way.
>If there are problems I won't go into them because I just don't have
>time, but if it compiles straight on the first try then of course I'll
>stash the .EXE where ever it would be appropriate for others to get at.
Why should anyone have to toss it to you... it is available over the
web at
ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/digital/sim/sources/
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Since we are off topic, read the Bill of Rights and the Constitution
sometime if you want an idea of just how many of your rights (re:
freedom) have been usurped in your 'best interest' by our omnipresent
Federal Government. This spy satellite pales in comparison to the
invasion of personal liberty that has been either legislated by
Congress or in the case of our Constitutional Rights bent in
interpretation by the Supreme Court under the guise of a 'living
breathing Constitution.' Bullshit. The Constitution doesn't need
interpretation, it is written very clearly and has been raped.
Marty
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Subject: Re: Deja vu
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 8/28/98 1:21 PM
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Max Eskin wrote:
> Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would guess
> some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
> seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
> computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
> they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
Sure! One out of hundreds of Space Shuttle flights. 1 out of, how many
was that, 4 Apollo flights. A couple recently out of hundreds in the past
several years. Its the payload of the first that exploded that's very
curious to me: a high-tech spy satellite capable of listening on on
thousands of phone calls and other communications, costing how many
billions? You'd think they would be REALLY, REALLY careful with a toy
like that.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I at least like to HOPE that someone
out there cares enough about freedom that they had a hose accidentally
snipped or something, know what I mean?
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Give me a break! Rockets explode all of the time. Plus, I would guess
some of the parts they are using are old. I have the feeling cracked
seals could once again be the problem. Also, rockets don't rely on
computer controls. These are 20-year old technology. It's unlikely
they have anything more than a bunch of servos like in a model car.
>> Looks like it's time to break out those
>> desk top analog computers that got us
>> into space the first time.
>
>You mean today? Haven't watched the news. I think its a conspiracy.
>
>(Really!)
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At 08:52 PM 8/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>> I see another rocket has blown up.
>>> Looks like it's time to break out those
>>> desk top analog computers that got us
>>> into space the first time.
>>
>>You mean today? Haven't watched the news. I think its a conspiracy.
>
>It is... the Taelons don't want us in space... :-)
>
Hmm, this looks like a job for agent Fox Mulder . . .
