>>Us.
>>(Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.)
> I wonder if there is legal precedent that might establish a reasonable
> level of due diligence to determine that a copyright asset has indeed
> been abandoned, and a legitimate method by which someone else could
> be considered at least allowed to reproduce it but perhaps not claim
> ownership of it. In short, a process to follow that would establish
> that something is on its way to becoming public domain. Without
> preservation now, the asset might be truly lost.
There are one possible way, but it isn't very safe - see below.
> For example, I've contacted several authors of early computer books
> who've since tossed their floppies with the original manuscript.
> Without this, we're back to scanning and OCR and proofreading.
> They'd thought that absolutely no one was interested. For example,
> Sheldon Leemon, author of "Mapping the C-64", tossed his old Atari
> floppies that had held his manuscript.
Just loosing _one_ media doesn't mean loosing copyright.
If one wants to get rid of his rights, he has to proclam
this in a prominent and usefull manner - like anouncing
it in a state publication or any kind of aprobiate publication.
Like puting an anouncement in a sourcefile.
It's exactly the reverse way as claiming an title for a book
or movie - If you want to avoide that someone else will
use a title of a planned book, you have to anounce it in a
aprobiate manner - i.e. in Germay you till put an add in the
'Boersenblatt des Deutschen Buchhandels' - a 'news'paper
for publishing companies and book traders.
For this case (reprinting a book), there are two and a half
steps to perform:
First try to get knowledge of the holder of rights. Basicly
easy, since book rights are always originated by the author.
Find the author, and ask if there are current licences. Apply
for a licence. If he has no futher interest, he may offer it
exclusive and unlimited for just a beer or two. Try to get a
written statement.
Geting licence doesn't include source material like disks
or scripts - if they are lost, you still have to key in
every letter again ...
Second if you can't locate the author, or any other people
possible owning actual licences or able to legitimate their
rights, you are free to copy and redistribute the work.
The hard term is 'unable to locate the owner' - judges
(at least in Europe and especialy the US) put up very
high bars to cross. You have to show that you did anything
possible (Adds, writing to former publishers, companies,
familie, friends, etc. searching directories).
Now you can start to reproduce the book - BUT in your best
interest you should take step twoandahalf: Opening a closed
account (I don't know the exact US term - its an account
where yo ujust put in money, but never take it back - possibly
managed by a lawyer) for the author/owner of rights. Now
'just' pay the royalities into this account.
If a beliveable owner of rights shows up, you just have to
grant him access to this account. A possible 'new' royality
agreement has to be made at this point. If the owner of
rights disagrees with the summ (you have to open your books
for double check sales and business regarding this licence)
don't grant the access and wait for his court move.
As long as your amount of saved royalities is reasonable
any court decision inf favour or the owner wouldn't grant
more, so be aware and don't put the royalities to low,
becaus if the judge thinks so, the summs can be enormous -
at leat within the strange US system.
This method (step twoandahalf) can (and will) be used on
any matter regarding intelectual properies - books, music
('legal' bootlegs use this to avoid geting dumped in the US)
or patents (If company A won't give company B a licence, B
could try it via twoandahalf - as long as they are able
without support from A :)
The trick is that you are NOT stealing the property - you
are willing to pay, but some strange thing might hinder you.
(This is even at wartime true, which leads to the very strange
fact where Germany took a way more civilizated position than
the US - Germany payed royalities even during the war for
tecnologie used - including weapon tecnologie - while the
US just declared any German patent or Trademark non existent.
Some things can caus dizziness when thinking about)
Ok, back to our book project: If you get the permission
>from the author (like Sheldon Leemon) you're fine - don't
forgett to ask if theres still a licence, maybe even a
exclusive one for a publishing company, since in this
case you still have to look for the (original) publisher.
But regarding the KIM, with his chaotic past, a simple
solution isn't available.
Gruss
H.
Oh, and don't forgett: Even a non profit copying action
is forbidden. so if a C= group, for example, make copies
of the C64 ROM to distrimute within their group and friends
FOR FREE, they are subject to pay royalieties.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
I decided to run a number of different tapes to try to determine whether
my TK50Z drive was defective or the tapes were not bootable. Below are
the results of the tests. Since in each case the results are somewhat
different, I conclude that the drive reads OK, and that the tapes are
suspect. Does anyone have a different perspective?
- don
=======================
ULTRIX APPLICATION TAPE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> b mu
-MUA0
%VMB-F-SCBINT2, PC = 00007000, PSL = 041F0008
83 BOOT SYS
-DUA0
-MUA0
%VMB-F-SCBINT2, PC = 00007000, PSL = 041F0008
83 BOOT SYS
?02 EXT HLT **** Infinite loop without the halt ****
PC = 00002704
>>>
>>>
>>> VMS APP TAPE
^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>> b mu
-MUA0
%VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765
%VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000008C2
84 FAIL
>>>
>>>
>>> DEGAUSSED TAPE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-MUA0
%VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765
%VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000001F6
84 FAIL
>>>
>>>
>>> VMS 5.5 BIN TAPE
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>
>>> b mu
-MUA0
%VMB-F-ERR, PC = 00000765
%VMB-I-STS, R0 = 000008C2
84 FAIL
>>>
Thats all folks!
I was just given one. It's a little Tand Model 100-like thing, it
came with a user's guide and some kind of book for learning BASIC.
Unfortunately, the manual is rather selective. Could someone tell me
if I can use the serial port on the back for RS-232 communications,
and what are the pin equivalents? If not, is there any kind of
modification that could be made? Also, does anyone have any software
cartridges for it they would be willing to send me? What is assembly
like for this processor? Does anyone have any comments about it?
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The last step before I cart my Tek to Santa Clara for the VCF:
Insurance.
Insurance companies don't like things without a replacement value. I
have asked around how much to insure it for, and Dr Dooijes (curator of
the Computer Museum in Amsterdam) has suggested $3000.
Anyone else have any ideas:
Are there any other 4052s around?
What might be the market rate?
Whom else can I ask?
Also, anyone have any suggestions about how to pack it for the flight?
Large box with lots of foam seems to be the best idea so far. Unless I
can get hold of a Tek carrying case...
Philip.
At 02:22 AM 9/2/98 -0700, Sam wrote:
>
>Us.
>(Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.)
I wonder if there is legal precedent that might establish a reasonable
level of due diligence to determine that a copyright asset has indeed
been abandoned, and a legitimate method by which someone else could
be considered at least allowed to reproduce it but perhaps not claim
ownership of it. In short, a process to follow that would establish
that something is on its way to becoming public domain. Without
preservation now, the asset might be truly lost.
For example, I've contacted several authors of early computer books
who've since tossed their floppies with the original manuscript.
Without this, we're back to scanning and OCR and proofreading.
They'd thought that absolutely no one was interested. For example,
Sheldon Leemon, author of "Mapping the C-64", tossed his old Atari
floppies that had held his manuscript.
- John
>> I think this is a formidable example for all our old (pre 1980)
>> toys - Almost all of the small (and even some of the big)
>> manufactiurers/designers have vanished. So who owns the design,
>> the ROM code, the spechial chip designs, the manuals and any
>> other soft ?
> Us.
*g*
Toys R Us !
> (Caveat: until someone comes forward to claim legitimate ownership.)
Jup, but acording to your ridiculous justice this means
bancrupcy for the next 3 generation to anyon of 'Us'.
Still searching
H.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
> I thought I was the only one who owned a TI-74. I'm looking for the
> specs too. TI does mention some authorized service centers on their web
> page for the TI-74. I haven't got a chance to contact any of them for
> information.
I have one, and 4 spare printers (fleamarket haul).
> Check out: http://www.ti.com/calc/docs/7495.htm
Marysville, WA is kind of down under from Muenchen, Bavaria :)
> ----------------------------
> Zu denken ist gut, dass Sie sind gut
:))
Knapp daneben ist auch vorbei.
Altavista or German lessons ?
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
Today I saved from the mythical Company Dumpster the following Stuff:
DEC uVAX II/RC in 4' cab with Cipher Digital horiz. 9trk drive.
Printronix P 300 Line Printer (from long-gone Prime Mainframe)
Hewlett Packard :
(2) 7914 disk drive units, one damaged in fall.
An HP Systems cab with (1) 9144 and (2) 3000.
(1) 2563A LIne Printer. (Very nice condition)
Heads Up part: I do not particularly want the HP stuff, I took it
to be nice to the warehouse foreman (to whom it's just junk he has to
move around).
SoCal area HP collectors.... any Interest??? Anyone? I have more
than my share of non-DEC orpans now... heeellpppp....
WANTS: Unibus 9trk formatter card for Kennedy 9300, or preferably
a TE16 and cards in SoCal or thereabouts. Need vacuum column door
for abovementione Kennedy... or a whole 'nother drive... I'm not picky.
MINC stuff. FSW Votrax (commercial Version) for PDP-11.
An 11/750 w/magtape.... ?
Cheers
John
John Lawson <jpl15(a)netcom.com> wrote:
> (2) 7914 disk drive units, one damaged in fall.
I'm thinking these are largish floor-standing units (about half
washing-machine size) good for about 120MB. They could have cartridge
tape drives in them too, do they?
> An HP Systems cab with (1) 9144 and (2) 3000.
9144 is an HP cartridge tape drive.
A 3000 in that sort of cabinet is probably a Series 37 or Micro 3000,
a little departmental system good for about eight terminals. Should
have a key for the front panel and I hope it's there because
fabricating it could be a problem (it is a small metal strip with
indentations drilled in but not through its larger faces).
> (1) 2563A LIne Printer. (Very nice condition)
300LPM printer, could be serial or HP-IB or maybe parallel (with a
50-pin telco connector) though I only remember the parallel on its
bigger faster cousins. If serial, it would be usable with other
things; I think it speaks something like PCL but certainly not the PCL
of the many-DPI printers. Used to use one as a remote serial printer
hung off a 3000 and it was very reliable.
> SoCal area HP collectors.... any Interest??? Anyone? I have more
> than my share of non-DEC orpans now... heeellpppp....
I'm not quite SoCal (a little bit north of San Jose) and won't be able
to make it down there for a little while. Plus IDDD (I Don't Do DEC)
and so don't have any of the stuff you're interested in for a swap.
Also I have two 3000/37s of my own. So I won't be hurt if someone
else gets 'em, in fact that's part of the reason I am writing this
message, to help other folks down there figure out what this stuff is.
-Frank McConnell
Looks like a good bunch of DEC freebies (at least to non-profit folks)
available in Santa Fe, NM (at least if the Santa Fe Institute moniker is
any indication). Please contact this fellow directly if interested.
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well its time to go thru and sell or trade some stuff
RA92 qty 4
LN03Rs qty 2
DECstations 5000 qty 2
VT1300 qty 2
VT240 with modem (wow 1200 bps) qty 2
RX33 qty 4
BA200 with 16 megs KA650, QDSS, KDA50,CXA16,TK70, 2 RA70s with
OpenVMS 5.5-2 DECwindows/DECwrite/C/BASIC/FORTRAN/KERMIT
Once again if you are a none profit org and can arrange for pickup its
free and if you are a Homeless vet center then I'll pick up the price!!!
phillip
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