At 07:37 PM 9/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Finding old characters like Chris Crawford? Sheesh, doesn't anyone
>try a web search (via www.hotbot.com, etc.) before asking a question
Whups, sorry. I was just sort of reminiscing, while replying, not really
thinking. Besides, I'm currently running windoze, and can't load Eudora
and Netscape at the same time.
>of the endlessly patient oracle known as this mailing list? Crawford
>is still quite active as an old wise man in the gaming industry.
I'll check it out -- Thanks!
--------------------------------------------------------------------- O-
Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad
roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know."
Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates
San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/
I just found an old fax machine in the trash. It has two connectors
on the back: one is a DIN-6 labelled coupler. The other is DIN-8
marked NCU. The question is that I have neither coupler nor 'NCU',
and does anyone have any idea how to wire this thing to a phone line?
Is a coupler necessary, or can I wire the line right into the machine
if I figure out the DIN-5 connector's pinout? This is a PERSONALFAX II
, BTW.
______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
If the article William is refering to is on the Retro-Computing
Society of RI, go to the Providence Journal home page then do a search
under computers. The article for the Retro museum will be first up in
line.
Marty
______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
Subject: Re: Check this out...
Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet
Date: 9/8/98 10:43 AM
> That came up "not found", with and without a trailing "l". Did they move
> the story somewhere?
Sorry, it seems that article has expired. Made me mad, too...
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
------ Message Header Follows ------
Received: from lists4.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com
(PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm))
id AA-1998Sep08.104316.1767.61910; Tue, 08 Sep 1998 10:43:17 -0400
Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13])
by lists4.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP
id HAA25080; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:41:05 -0700
Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7])
by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP
id HAA60492 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998
07:40:59 -0700
Received: from il1.nyp.ans.net (il1.nyp.ans.net [147.225.190.5])
by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP
id HAA16343 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:40:58
-0700
Received: by il1.nyp.ans.net id KAA02776
(InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu);
Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:40:57 -0400
Received: by il1.nyp.ans.net (Internal Mail Agent-1);
Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:40:57 -0400
Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980908103940.4262H-100000(a)titan.purch.ans.net>
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 10:40:57 -0400 (EDT)
Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu
Precedence: bulk
From: William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net>
To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers"
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Check this out...
In-Reply-To: <01J1K51O9WEQ8YI8SZ(a)AC.GRIN.EDU>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
X-To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN
Both the Prime systems I have are old 2250s (2044-90 & 901). I havn't looked
at the cards but one is a low cabinet with CPU and Hard drive. The other is
two low cabinets, the second holding a 1" Cipher Tape drive. Is there any
interest in them or parts from them. Unless someone is interested they are a
week or two from becoming parts & scrap. I am closing my warehouse shortly and
need to get rid of them. If you have more questions or interest in them
contact me directly at
Innfograph(a)aol.com
Thanks for your interest,
Paxton Hoag
> I was going thru a bunch of old material and I ran across this IBM
> manual that I had squirrelled away from a garbage find in the early 80s
> that also included a bunch of Bytes. It's a 6th edition (Mar 79) and says it
> applies to Release 4 of OS/VS1, Release 3 of OS/VS2 ,Release 2 of VM/370,
> DOS/VSE, and all other releases
> A descrptive heading says "This manual describes the OS/VS -DOS/VSE-
> VM/370 assembler language. It's a 450 page XEROXed copy.
> I know ziltch about non-micros and am wondering if this is of any value
> (in the intellectual sense) ?
/360, /370 ASSM is an brilliant example how simple, clear
and beautiful a (CISC) processor can be. I know now other
assembler so simple, so strikt and easy to implement (and
I'm still an Assm programmer since 20 years).
With exraordinary simple thinking one can easy develop all
stages of an execution pipline for this opcode. Staight
forward. Did I say develop ? There is noting to develop -
reading the opcodes is like reading a step by step instruction
to build the CPU.
Ok, maybe I'm overemphasing, but I love this structure.
I did almost any microprocessor (from 1802 to 9900 and Z80)
in the past 20 years, and some of the bigger architectures,
but none equals the /370.
So, if you want to have fun, take the OP-Code table and
solve the puzzle - or just keep the manual for 'real world'
tasks, since this Assm is still valid for IBM (and compatible)
Mainframes. I bet your taxes are calculated on one of 'em.
Gruss
H.
P.S.:
I did several interpreters for micros - first on the KIM :).
P.P.S.:
Shure there have been some realy genieous extensions to the
/370 architecture (like maybe the stack engine in the SIEMENS
X calss CPUs), beautiful and powerfull themself, but they are
still don't met the elegance of the basic instruction set.
P.P.P.S.:
And of course there are several good Microprcessors - but again:
not as elegant, simple and beautifull than the /370.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
>> I think the Computer Journal folk also have Kaypro parts and docs...
> Was someone looking for Commie schematics? Sams has a ton of them from the
> Vic20 through the Amiga 500. Not sure how cost effective it might be to spend
> the $$$ on a schematic for a $20 machine thoough.
Maybe pure fun ? I just recently browsed the KIM Manuals :)
But USD 20 ? Expensive box huh ?
Gruss
H.
BTW:
Anybody willing to host some 100 MB of
scans ? While browsing I just decided
to scan the KIM-1 USER MANUAL.
--
Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut
HRK
