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by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Well, I don't know of any OS that runs on an XT besides DOS and various UNIXoids. I'd rather run DOS in that particular case. >were running MS-DOS when I worked there back in 90-91. Possibly >not the best way to run the gear (is MS-DOS _ever_ the best way to >run the gear?) but functional. Don't recall any '486 NGENs -- I >was working with the Unisys 6000 series mostly, didn't actually >_use_ any NGENs myself, but did use several old (left over from the >AT&T contract) Unix PCs as my consoles for the machines I was doing >software QA on. The '486 was fairly new at the time, I'd been given >to understand that NGEN was a dead series then -- pretty machines >that they were. >-- >Ward Griffiths <mailto:gram@cnct.com> <http://www.cnct.com/home/gram/> > >When I was crossing the border into Canada, they asked me if I had any >firearms with me. I said "Well, what do you need?" -- Steven Wright > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

x86 junk, AT/370 boards, etc. (was Re: printer socket (Off topic))

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Well, I feel the same way about Apples. I mean, I find Apple IIs as boring as any PC XT. And both are quite common. I sometimes find various PC clone models interesting, but not very. But about these 370 cards, am I to understand they're normal PCs that can also act like 370s? >You're right! I should have paid more attention to the NAQ list. >I guess there's simply no refuge from x86 PCs; they invade every newsgroup >and mailing list. Not to mention surplus stores; it's getting very hard >to find anything interesting because the places are completely overrun >with PC crap. As if anyone really wants huge piles of off-brand EGA cards >(or any EGA cards), ARCnet cards, etc. Sigh. > >The only halfway interesting PC-based hardware I've ever found surplus are >the XT/370 and AT/370 board sets, and I've never gotten the software for >them. If anyone wants them, though, I think Timeline is still advertising >them. Be forewarned, however, that they are mapped to the 512K-640K >memory address range, so they won't work unless you have a motherboard that >can be configured to NOT provide memory in that range. > >These boards contained three processors, a custom-microcoded 68000 variant >to implement the core 370 instruction set, a standard 68000 to implement >the instructions that wouldn't fit in the microcode of the first one, and >a custom version of the 8087 hacked to do IBM radix-16 floating point >instead of IEEE. > >Too bad no technical docs were ever available, it would be fun to port >Linux to them. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

printer socket (Off topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

ELKS worked more or less last time I checked it. I think Minix is a lot better for the purpose, though. I've seen several attempts at UNIX for the Commodore, but never tried them. are they anything like UNIX, or just demo UNIX look-alikes? (The difference is that when you type ls on one, it executes assembly or C code, and when you do it on the other, it has a bit of code: 300 IF A$ = "ls" THEN LOAD "$",8,1 ) >On this list, "classic" means 10 years old or older, for the most part. >The 386 already qualifies. However, there is a project (stalled?) to get >Linux running on some older 8-bitters: > http://www.linux.org.uk/ELKS-Home/index.html > >-- Doug > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Linux on S/370? Was: Re: printer socket (Off topic)

by cfandt＠servtech.com

At 01:16 21-09-98 -0400, you wrote: >> Anybody know where I can get an IBM 360/30? > >No. And I would _seriously_ drive across the country to get any S/360 or >370. Maybe even for an S/3 or S/7. Can't agree more with you on that William! > >> It would be fun to port Linux >> to that, although the lack of paging would be a bit of a problem. One of >> the cool things about the 360/30 is that you can alter the microcode using >> a standard keypuch machine. > >A real problem, I would say. The Model 30s were just about the runts of >the family, and could only have 8 to 64 K of storage. > >I would think that putting Linux on an S/370 would be just a bit easier, >but still cool enough to matter (circa 1974!). But I think there are less >S/370s out there than S/360s (I know of _one_ S/370, and it belongs to >IBM. S/360s, at least, number more than 10, probably). Less S/370s out there? I would think, since they are more recent vintage, there would be more. Any reason why? I'll keep my eyes peeled for you though. > >And by S/370, I mean _real_ S/370, with the cool panels. Not the beige >boxes IBM made in late 1970s, dropping the S/370 name. Yeah, even my beige box 9370 is boring as heck to look at :-( (It's a CMOS version of the S/370 from 1987/88.) No interesting front panels, can't tinker with hardware much at all, etc. Pah! Later this winter, William, I'll be trying to get the bugs worked out of that thing as to IPL failures. I still have to move it over from the old house to its new home in a nicely remodeled basement workarea. It'll set beside the PDP-11 racks I still need to haul outta the garage before winter. All this stuff is _heavy_. Oh, my sore back! Anyway, O Honorable Listmembers, stand by for a request from me for VSE OS documentation of any sort and perhaps some IPL troubleshooting. --Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

27 years, 11 months

EDSAC on your desk.

by CLASSICCMP＠timaxp.trailing-edge.com

Dominique Cormann wrote: >William Donzelli <william(a)ans.net> wrote: >> > BASIC RULES! >> >> What are the BASIC rules? >Did they ever create a standard version of Basic like there is for C >(ansi c)? Yes, there are at least two ANSI standards, and one maybe-never-quite- adopted ANSI working committee standard: ANSI X3.60-1978, _American National Standard for the Programming Language Minimal Basic_. This is a *very* minimal basic, lacking things like strings and files. ANSI X3J2 working committee BASIC. AFAIK this was never officially adopted as an ANSI standard, despite the fact that the committee must've worked on it for over a decade. In _BYTE_ 1982:6 p182, you'll find Thomas Kurtz (yes, *the* Kurtz of Dartmouth) describing the draft standard as it then existed, and he actually sold a working version of this called "True BASIC". It does things in very different ways from just about every other BASIC (the string syntax is entirely different, looking more like Fortran-77 style character-addressable strings, and the math is actually *decimal* math!) ANSI X3.113-1987 "Full BASIC". I believe this to be the standard that the X3J2 committee eventually settled on. Penware's NKR BASIC claims to be an implementation of this standard, though I've never actually seen it in use. Bywater BASIC (by Ted Campbell, and often implemented on Unix-type machines by the executable "bwbasic") claims to be a superset of X3.60-1978 and a subset of X3.113-1987. It's available under the terms of the Gnu Public License. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

27 years, 11 months

Help with Lisa 2 vertical hold

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Does anybody know how to adjust the vertical hold on a Lisa 2? thanks Kai

27 years, 11 months

EDSAC on your desk.

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< As a software geek, C is quite portable, as long as you keep several < things in mind, like shorts are at least 16 bits, longs are at least 32 < bits, ints are at least 16 bits and can't be longer than a long, and don < use functions not defined in the Standard C library (or stuff you've < written). Those things are or should be a given for any language. The problem in all cases is when you talk to hardware, soon as you do that portability is likely broken. This has always been true and until hardware is reduced to one uniform platform (gag!). That is unlikely. < > It's almost as bad as those web pages that come up < > and *insist* that you change your graphics mode to 640x480 or < > some other particular size - why do folks insist on starting with a < > nice general information-based document standard and then turn it int < > a nonportable one???!!! See hardware and portability. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Kids these days

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 09:32 PM 9/18/98 -0500, you wrote: > >I thought of doing two of those, put wheels on the steppers, use two to >push it around in various directions, mount a pair plastic replicas of >table-saw blades on the drive motors Sounds like my friends who build robots for the Bay area "robot wars" competitions. They do incorporate truly deadly weapons in their remote-control 'bots, including spinning saw blades. - John

27 years, 11 months

wierd stuff/spam

by jim＠calico.litterbox.com

Gang, some jerk is trying to use my site as a spam relay. If you get ANYTHING coming from litterbox.com that looks like a sex add please let me know and accept my humble apology. We've found where the attack is coming from and have sent e-mail to their hostmaster. -- Jim Strickland jim(a)calico.litterbox.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Vote Meadocrat! Bill and Opus in 2000 - Who ELSE is there? -----------------------------------------------------------------------

27 years, 11 months

removal help

by info＠annalee.com

Please sent me information about how to be removed for this list serve. Thank you.

27 years, 11 months

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