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by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 07:21 PM 21-09-98 -0500, Doug Yowza wrote: >Excellent idea! That's part of the reason to choose Java :-) Sun's Java >compiler is written in Java, and generates code for the Java virtual >machine. Most of the Java runtime environment is also written in Java, >except for the machine-level glue which is written in a combo of C and >assembler. I guess the only difference is that BCPL is significantly smaller and simpler. I doubt that I could move Java to a new environment within a week, whereas I'd be confident that anyone with some simple programming skills could move BCPL, even with the limited documentation that exists. Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"

27 years, 11 months

x86 junk, AT/370 boards, etc. (was Re: printer socket (Off topic))

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<The AS/400 for example, is a non-micro. The problem, I guess, is that < when the computer market got a life of its own and was no longer < paid for by the government, PHBs didn't see the beauty of an 8-opcode ????? the government did make a few interesting machines but the bulk of them from Univac on were the result of private industry trying to make the better mouse trap. having played with a minuteman missle computer (you could get them surplus in the early '70s). I can say they are interesting for their day and hard as hell to program usefully as they were not innovative. < machine that had been developed for 10 years. And as long as computers < are commercial, we'll see much less of this 'interesting' stuff. < Maybe if Transmeta comes out with something, it will be interesting There are a lot of intresting machine of very current design that while not part of the converstation here as classics the cpus are none the less interesting even though they are neither PC or pc. Allison

27 years, 11 months

Quantum Q540 as a RD52

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<It does this for each of the drives. The drives "sound good" for what i < worth. Is there some special trick to getting a Q540 to act like a RD52 < does the VS2000 have a dislike for RD52's, or (my personal suspicion) i < the drive simply dead. ok, Quantum DQ540s are RD52... no difference, as I have RD52s and guess what they also say on the outside. Also the QD540 is about as reliable a drive as you can find. VS2000 likes the following: 20mb Seagate St225 40mb Seagate ST251 31mb Quantum QD540 71mb Micropolus 1325 159mb Maxtor 2190 series Now if the drive is incorrectly jumpered it will not work. If it's been formatted on say a PC the format mode of the VS2000 may not work as expected. Meaning you have to fill in the values manually. Allison

27 years, 11 months

x86 junk, AT/370 boards, etc. (was Re: printer socket (Off topic))

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

I'm sure that the problem is that earlier, you had a different concept of interesting machines. I don't think minis and workstations were ever very common at hamfests, compared to common micros. I don't think PCs are bringing an end to classic computing; sooner or later, all PDPs and VAXen and IMSAIs will be in the hands of collectors. In the meantime, some interesting machines are still being made. The AS/400 for example, is a non-micro. The problem, I guess, is that when the computer market got a life of its own and was no longer paid for by the government, PHBs didn't see the beauty of an 8-opcode machine that had been developed for 10 years. And as long as computers are commercial, we'll see much less of this 'interesting' stuff. Maybe if Transmeta comes out with something, it will be interesting 10 years from the release. Then again, it might be another WinChip... >upon pile of motherboards, I/O cards, VGA cards, etc on sale. And very >few 'interesting' machines. > Did Compaq document their machines well? > >Actually, I do tend to buy genuine IBM cards, especially if they're >described in the TechRefs. A lot of them did 'set the standard' for what >followed, and although poorly designed certainly have a place in the >history of computing. > >[AT/370] > >> Too bad no technical docs were ever available, it would be fun to port >> Linux to them. > >YEs, I've never managed to trace a TechRef for them, alas... > >> > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

printer socket (Off topic)

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

Well, if someone doesn't want to run a microsoft OS, does that mean they don't want any version of DOS because they think DOS sucks? CP/M doesn't suck any more or any less, IMHO. Maybe a bit more >< various UNIXoids. I'd rather run DOS in that particular case. > >You neglect CP/M-86 and CCPM. Also MINIX (unix like) and a few other more >obscure OSs. > >Allison > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Quantum Q540 as a RD52

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

I picked up 5 Quantum Q540's yesterday in the hope of being able to get some usable diskspace for one of my PDP-11's. These are the same as a RD52 >from what I've been able to find out. I stick one of the drives in my VS2000 and try to format it with the following results: >>> T 70 KA410-A RDRXfmt VSfmt_QUE_unitno (0-2) ? 0 VSfmt_STS_Siz .?? VSfmt_RES_ERR #2 84 FAIL It does this for each of the drives. The drives "sound good" for what it's worth. Is there some special trick to getting a Q540 to act like a RD52, does the VS2000 have a dislike for RD52's, or (my personal suspicion) is the drive simply dead. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

27 years, 11 months

EDSAC on your desk.

by CLASSICCMP＠timaxp.trailing-edge.com

Someone wrote: >> Java is the closest thing we've got today to an architecture-neutral >> executable environment. Except for the fact that it pretty much requires that IEEE floating point be used. Yes, Virginia, there are lots of machines out there that don't do IEEE math! And there are many good reasons to *not* use IEEE floating point. William Donzelli pointed out: > C is well established, Java is not. True, but C itself if far from portable. The endless maze of #ifdef's that are necessary to make a piece of source code portable among a limited set of machines and OS's are fine and dandy unless you have to support all those different permutations! > People keep worrying about what the > different companies will do to extend or change Java. When Java gets to be > a truely standard, then I might say OK. Part of the problem is that folks are already using Java in ways that are not portable. It's almost as bad as those web pages that come up and *insist* that you change your graphics mode to 640x480 or some other particular size - why do folks insist on starting with a nice general information-based document standard and then turn it into a nonportable one???!!! At least, in my experience, any page that insists on being viewed at some particular resolution inevitably has absolutely zero information content, so I don't want to view it anyway. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

27 years, 11 months

printer socket (Off topic)

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< Well, I don't know of any OS that runs on an XT besides DOS and < various UNIXoids. I'd rather run DOS in that particular case. You neglect CP/M-86 and CCPM. Also MINIX (unix like) and a few other more obscure OSs. Allison

27 years, 11 months

"bblish" Altair fails to sell on eBay AGAIN

by WHoagIII＠aol.com

If you read his text he has a reserve of $6000. Pax

27 years, 11 months

"bblish" Altair fails to sell on eBay AGAIN

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

This is at LEAST the third time he's listed that Altair 8800 on eBay, and it failed to sell AGAIN, this time topping out at a "mere" $2225. Has anybody exchanged email with him? What the hell is this guy doing? Kai

27 years, 11 months

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