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by mlin＠mlin.lib.ma.us

[LINK] ______________________________________________________________________ Sunday October 4 Gates pushes hometown to Linux Linux-based document system costs 10% of Windows NT solution By Christine Burns - FRAMINGHAM It's ironic that in his zeal to equip his new $US53 million home with the latest and greatest technology - not to mention every modern convenience known to man, woman and child - Microsoft mogul Bill Gates drove his hometown into the arms of another operating system. The official paperwork filed with the city clerk in Medina, Washington, (pop. 3,082) concerning the Gates homestead had the city's file cabinets bursting at the seams. Of the 10 file cabinets housed in the old ferry terminal-turned-town hall set on the shores of Lake Washington, four were completely filled with upward of 40,000 pages of building permits, blueprints and change work orders all pertaining to the Gates estate. Factoring in future growth and recognising that they physically had no more room for storing municipal paperwork, the town fathers had to decide on whether to spring for a new town hall or a document management system. The latter being the more prudent choice, the town looked into NT document management systems that might fit in nicely with the town's Microsoft LAN. But what the town came up with was a product that runs on Caldera's version of Linux. This product rang in at less than 10% of the price of its NT counterparts, says Ray Jones, president of Archive Retrieval, a Kirkland, Washington, systems integrator. Archive Retrieval last month built and installed the city's new document management system, called The Archive. "When I asked the guys at town hall if they minded that the idle screen would display a big Caldera logo, they told me I could point it toward the window so everybody walking by could see it," Jones says. Sorry, Bill. No hometown advantage here. Back for more News _________________________________________________________________ @IDG Home | News Wire | @PC World | Industry Directory | Industry Events | PR Wire | About IDG | About Our Site | Help | (c) Copyright, IDG Communications Ltd, 1998. All rights reserved.

27 years, 11 months

Any *really* homebrewing going on?

by maxeskin＠hotmail.com

> >> In the 1950's, this stuff was new. Now, it's all for fun. I agree it must be a lot of fun, but there's no scientific/practical value. >Yes, but was there a 'point' to building a CPU from relays in the 1950's >? Other than the fun of doing it, of course. > Companies can make more money otherwise. If a kid buys $300 worth of parts and shares all of his homebrew apps with friends ala GPL, no one makes any money. If a kid buys $2000 worth of plastic and then keeps on buying $50 apps, it's a lot of money! It didn't happen like this on purpose, by the way. When stuff started to get bundled and kids started to play around with the computers their parent bought them... >Yes, but why not? Some of us would like to reverse that trend. > No, I'm not. How many people are there in Boston who do this stuff? 5? That's not much information. And a web site inspires no one. >Are you kidding? The web is full of sites with data sheets and >application notes. Just about every major (and many not-so-major) IC >manufacturer is there. When I started out you had to phone the >distributors and convince them to send you a data sheet. This wasn't >always easy if they realised you were a hobbyist who would probably buy a >couple of chips at most. > >> >> I'm curious why the HPCC would be interested in homebrew? Or is HPCC > >Well, it used a calculator, right..... Why should any computer club be >interested in homebrew. This project started as a replacement for the >much-missed HP-IL interface on the HP71 and sort of grew... > >-tony > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

27 years, 11 months

Homebrew projects wanted for exhibit at VCF 3.0

by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

Heads up all you homebrew hackers! Next year we'd like to help revive the homebrew ethic by featuring YOUR homebrew projects in the exhibit section of the VCF. There will be awards presented for best homebrew project in different categories. Get out those soldering irons! Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 09/21/98]

27 years, 11 months

Any *really* homebrewing going on?

by CLASSICCMP＠timaxp.trailing-edge.com

>< Take a look at the PICs as well. The programmer for those is very simple >< and Microchip do document the programming algorithms. A 16C84 programmer >< is 2 cheap TTL chips, a few discretes and a PC printer port. >I've looked at them and like most single chips MCUs they are bizzare. >They also offer a windows emulator that pretty neat. >Allison What you find "bizarre" is almost certainly what I like about them. 12-, 13-, and 14-bit wide instruction words, Harvard architecture so that I-space and D-space are completely different concepts, remarkabably efficient interrupt handling, remarkably low-power quiet modes, etc. A refreshing change from the bland uniformity of the 8080/8086/6800-derived microcomputers that dominate much of the world. -- Tim Shoppa Email: shoppa(a)trailing-edge.com Trailing Edge Technology Voice: 301-767-5917 7328 Bradley Blvd Fax: 301-767-5927 Bethesda, MD, USA 20817

27 years, 11 months

PDP-10 (was Re: EDSAC on your desk.)

by hhacker＠gte.net

Eric: This is just the kind of restoration that interests me. Also, I noted that in another message, you refered to a PDP-10 simulator, the kx10. Where can I get a copy of the simulator? If you have information about the availability of hardware, I would very much like to receive same. William R. Buckley -----Original Message----- From: Eric Smith <eric(a)brouhaha.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 10:38 PM Subject: PDP-10 (was Re: EDSAC on your desk.) >Huw Davies <H.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au> wrote: >> It's just that there are so many circuits in a -10 that getting one to run >> (even when new) required a full time field service engineer > >As I recall, the 2060 I used to use ran for months at a time without needing >repair (i.e., just scheduled PM). > >> (our -10 was delivered in 1973 so if it were still here it'd be 25 years >> old) > >Must have been a KI, then. I'm told that those were relatively easy to keep >running (at least compared to the KL). > >> I'd expect the probability of it running would be close to zero. The >> maintenance fiche is about a foot deep.... > >A former DEC field service engineer has told me that I'm a madman for wanting >to try, but he didn't put the probability anywhere near that low. The >system was in perfect working order when it was decommissioned, and not >much has happened to it since. Aside from testing the power supplies and >checking for oxidation on the connectors, I'm not really expecting that >much to be wrong with it. And I think I know where to find spare modules >if it is necessary. > >Cheers, >Eric >

27 years, 11 months

Gemini Galaxy 2

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

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27 years, 11 months

Universal drive

by mark_k＠iname.com

On Sat, 3 Oct 1998 Zane H. Healy wrote: >>Anyway, the URL given was http://www.jshoenfeld.com/eindex.html > >I just tried and got told there was no DNS entry. Hmmm, looks like there was a misprint in the magazine I copied that URL from. On Sat, 3 Oct 1998 Lawrence Walker wrote: > beyond 720k. Many of the old ST Format 'zine's free disks used to be > formatted with extra sectors so that they could cram more PD on disks. There Same applies to some Amiga coverdisks from the Amiga User International mag; these used the diskspare.device 12-sectors-per-track format. > When I get a Workbench disk for my newly acquired Amiga 2000 I'm going to > see if FCpro will copy the Amiga 880k format. Would be a solution to transfer > problems from the net. Now if I could only find an easy way around the If you have an Amiga with a workable amount of RAM or a hard disk, it is quite easy to transfer files using PC-formatted (720K) floppy disks. Contact me privately if you want a copy of the Workbench disk etc., or more info on 1541-to-Amiga connection. >> You can make a cable to hook up a 1541 disk drive to a PC or Amiga and read >> files or disk images using this. > > I take it you're referring to the X1541 cable. I wasn't aware that it could > be used with Amigas. That looks promising. I wasn't. Perhaps I should have written "you can make cables..." instead. I only have experience with this on an Amiga, but there are at least two types of cable you can make, one extremely simple the other using a 7406 IC. There are several Amiga programs for reading C64 disks, the Easy1541 package being the nicest. You can read and write 1541 files and disk images, send commands (e.g. to format a disk) and using the supplied iec.library control any IEC bus device. -- Mark

27 years, 11 months

Any *really* homebrewing going on?

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< What you find "bizarre" is almost certainly what I like about them. 12- < 13-, and 14-bit wide instruction words, Harvard architecture so that < I-space and D-space are completely different concepts, remarkabably Check some of the 4bitters done over 18 years ago... nothing new to me. < etc. A refreshing change from the bland uniformity of the < 8080/8086/6800-derived microcomputers that dominate much of the world. Everything is a refreshing change from wintel. ;) Allison

27 years, 11 months

Xerox 16/8

by hhacker＠gte.net

Jamie: Would you please enlighten me as to how you came into possesion of the Xerox. Also, I wonder if this computer has any relationship with the Xerox Sigma series of processors. Can you obtain serial numbers, etc? William R. Buckley -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Bixby <jbixby(a)labwest.northatlantic.nf.ca> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 4:45 PM Subject: Xerox 16/8 >I have recently came into position of an old Xerox computer that I >really do not know much about and was wondering if anyone out there >would be able to send me via e-mail any info that they may have on it. >The computer works and all but all that comes up is something about >tables and something about invalid drives. If anyone out there has any >info on this computer I would greatly appreciate it. >

27 years, 11 months

IBM 1130 Was: Re: Linux on S/370? Was: Re: printer socket (Off topic)

by hhacker＠gte.net

Joe: I learned APL as my first language, at Orange Coast College in Costa Mesa California (Orange county, in So Cal) in 1972. We had an IBM 370/155H at the time, 1MB of RAM (as I understood it, the RAM was semiconductor), and the version of APL was from STSC, called APL PLUS. What a step down to then learn Cobol, Fortran, and RPG, though Assembly (ALC) was a lot of fun. We have come a long way since then. William R. Buckley -----Original Message----- From: Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 8:48 AM Subject: Re: IBM 1130 Was: Re: Linux on S/370? Was: Re: printer socket (Off topic) >Chris, > > I learned to program in APL on one in 1968 or 1969. We didn't have to use >punch cards, we were THE PROGRAMMERS, the machine was turned over to us >when we walked in the door. At that time it was the only computer in >central Florida. Not bad for a kid that was still in high school! > > Around 1979 I worked for a third party company in Virginia that >maintained 1130s and also upgraded them with third party hardware. I well >remember adding boxs with core memory made by someone else (not IBM and not >us). I think it upgraded them to a whapping 32K! One of the 1130s that I >upgraded was owned by Gallop in Princeton, NJ. They're the people that do >the Gallop polls. Another one was owned by Virginia Military Institute in >Lexington, Va. > > Those machines seem to last forever, I'll bet there's still some of them >in use! > > Joe > >At 09:55 AM 9/22/98 -0400, you wrote: >>At 22:33 21-09-98 +0000, Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote: >>>At 09:35 PM 9/21/98 -0400, Christian Fandt wrote: >>>> >>>>Ever hear much of an IBM 1130? Any info on the web, etc. on that machine? >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, I learned to program on one. Many years later I worked on them. >> >>That's where my interest lies as this was my first exposure to computing. >>In college I learned Fortran IV/66 in 1972/73. I've always been curious >>about those machines since then. Never heard of them anymore over the past >>25 (!!) years. >> >>At least I can tell stories to the youngsters, like other "old time" >>computer folks here, about spending hours in the noisy keypunch room on an >>IBM 026 (I think) keypunch machine punching out my programs onto the >>Hollerith cards, hauling the stack of cards (without dropping the danged >>things!) over to the Computer Operator Guru to be run together in a batch >>with all the other students' Fortran and Cobol programs overnite and coming >>back the next morning to be greeted with several pages of compiler errors >>typically generated by a very simple syntax error in the early part of my >>program. No fancy-a** GUI there!! :-) >> >>That machine was "huge" by some standards then: it had 32K of core memory! >>The technical faculty at this rather small junior college was quite >>impressed. >> >>Ahhh, those were the days.... >> >>Of course, I would LOVE to have one! Anybody got one laying around they >>want to get shed of?? <g!> >> >>Have any technical/interesting facts or anecdotes about the 1130 to share >>with us big iron folk Joe? >> >>Thanks, Chris >>-- -- >> >> >> >>Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian >>Jamestown, NY USA >>Member of Antique Wireless Association >> URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/ >> >

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