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by dastar＠ncal.verio.com

On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Scott Ware wrote: > How about the Expander? It's an S-100 box designed by Lee Felsenstein > that's sort of a cross between a SOL-20 and a TRS-80 model 1, only > Swedish. The only information I've been able to find on this machine is > in Kip Crosby's CHAC interview with Lee Felsenstein in Analytical Engine > 3.2. According to the information in the interview, 200 Expanders were > made, but the order was never paid for, so only "a few" made it into the > public. Lee touched on this at VCF 1.0. He described the project a little bit: how it came about and what happened to it. The VCF 1.0 talks will be available for purchase on tape before the end of the year (I PROMISE!) > http://xtal.pharm.nwu.edu/~ware/collection/machines/expander.html Looks very cool. Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 09/21/98]

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Corrections to trivia

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< > Babbage was not the first to come up with the idea of a computer, but < > can trace the development of modern computers back to him. You can't < > anything like that with Holt's chip -- it had no influence. Maybe the < > were other Big Bangs before The Big Bang, but if they didn't create a < > Universe, nobody cares. Prior to Holts chip, the F14 CADC there wer lesser chips. All of them were on a line started in the late 50s with a simple IC of no real usefulness. The little bangs were the devlopment of processes that alloed more transistors to a die, developing MOSFET technology that were more compact and better suited to planar circuits on the die. Things like well isolation all contributed and happend on lesser circuits than a CPU. We are talking about commonly used chips like gates, adders, shift registers, rams and ROMS. Lets face it, the 8008 would have been a burp instead of a bang if the ROM and RAM chips weren't there too! < I think this attitude in general carelessly disregards an amazing body o < work. In fact, I think people do care. I'm not so quick to sweep My whole point. < historical facts underneath the carpet simply as a matter of convenience < I'd rather know the complete and true story, and not just the easiest on < to remember. < < Furthermore, you are are discounting the AMI microprocessors of the < early 70s, which Holt went on to design after the F14 CADC, and the < influence those chips may have had on later designs.

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Corrections to trivia

by pechter＠shell.monmouth.com

Tron was done with a Foonly PDP10 clone. I believe the first microcomputer to run Unix was the DEC PDP11/03 and 11/23 at At&T's Bell Labs (see the papers on mini-unix). Bill +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bill and/or Carolyn Pechter | pechter(a)shell.monmouth.com | | Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a villain in | | a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+

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Corrections to trivia

by bill＠chipware.com

So to complete this train of thought, Intel was the inflationary period and Microsoft would be the infinite expansion and eventual heat death of the universe? (Sorry, couldn't resist) -----Original Message----- From: Doug Yowza [SMTP:yowza@yowza.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 3:51 AM To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers Subject: Re: Corrections to trivia On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Sam Ismail wrote: >I still think the SLF is > a "microprocessor", and quite likely the first even though you think > that's not important (there's gotta be a Big Bang somewhere). The Big Bang was named Babbage. Intel supplied the ammunition for a revolution: cheap computers. The high level of integration was what enabled them to make it cheap, and they commercialized it. The level of integration is the salient feature of the chip, but not the main feature of the important event. Babbage was not the first to come up with the idea of a computer, but you can trace the development of modern computers back to him. You can't do anything like that with Holt's chip -- it had no influence. Maybe there were other Big Bangs before The Big Bang, but if they didn't create a Universe, nobody cares. -- Doug

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Somebody has a C65 on eBay

by lfb107＠psu.edu

At 06:15 PM 10/5/98 -0800, Zane H. Healy wrote: >>On Mon, 5 Oct 1998, Cameron Kaiser wrote: >> >>> :: >>> ::Somebody's posted a Commodore C65 prototype on eBay. 4 days left and the >>> ::bidding is at $1025. >>> :: >>> >>> That's nothing. The last one sold went for $1400. (!) >> >>Well, how many of these "prototypes" exist? Has anyone authenticated >>these things? > >There was more like an entire production run of them. IIRC there are/were >several hundred of them. Or maybe he's selling a prototype of the ones >that were actaully made. The Commodore A3000+ prototypes sound more >interesting, there are only 3 of them I believe. Still the C65 would have >been interesting. > Yeah, the last estimate I saw put the number at just under 1,000 made in all. You used to be able to buy them from a company that sold C= parts for something like $169. (Or you could fish them out of the dumpsters out on Wilson drive if you got there on the right day.) Word is that they were 65816 based (or somesuch) and looked *sorta* like an Amiga 500 with a 3 1/2 floppy built in. I don't think they were compatible with the 64. Anyways, the CBM FAQ has more info, haven't read it lately. Les

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Corrections to trivia

by allisonp＠world.std.com

The Big Bang was named Babbage. Intel supplied the ammunition for a < revolution: cheap computers. The high level of integration was what No Intel never made a cheap computer. They made CPUs, Memory and support chips. The MCS. MDS, intellect even the SDKs were anything but cheap. < enabled them to make it cheap, and they commercialized it. The level o < integration is the salient feature of the chip, but not the main featur < of the important event. It's everything as the 8008 hit the level of integration needed to produce a viable general purpose commercial cpu. For example why is it that prople are hunting for MARK-8 and Kenbec's when the most likely find (greatest quantity) for 8008 machines is a MCS-8 from intel?!?! This is not unlike the PDP-8. the PDP-8 really wasn't the first small computer. It was the first to be manufactured in large quantities at low cost and that it was a member of a family that spanned many years (PDP-5, 8, 8I, 8E, 8A DECmate). Allison

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Somebody has a C65 on eBay

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

Somebody's posted a Commodore C65 prototype on eBay. 4 days left and the bidding is at $1025. Kai

27 years, 11 months

RSX-11M and CSR's

by healyzh＠ix.netcom.com

Is there a way to get RSX-11M V4.2 to provide a list of CSR's in use on the system? IIRC RT-11 will provide them, but I've not figured out how to get RSX to. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)ix.netcom.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.dragonfire.net/~healyzh/ |

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Top 10 Holy Grails of Classic Microcomputer Collecting

by H.Davies＠latrobe.edu.au

At 12:10 AM 06-10-98 -0400, William Donzelli wrote: >> Well I'd add a Ferranti Atlas for all the obvious reasons. > >I probably should have added some foriegn iron, but I must admit, I am >unfamiliar with it. Certainly some of the big Japanese and British stuff >would count. The Atlas is famous for two important things - virtual memory and timesharing. The Atlas was the first commercial machine to have hardware support for paging and hence virtual memory. A neat timesharing system resulted. I also seem to recall a nice Algol compiler for it too. I'll see if I can remember to check my copy of "Algol-60 Compilation and Assessment" which will have the gory details :-) Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999 La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the Melbourne Australia 3083 | air, the sky would be painted green"

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Top 10 Holy Grails of Classic Microcomputer Collecting

by fauradon＠pclink.com

>> I've always wanted to know which machines have only a single instance >> represented on this list. How about an ExelVision EXL100 I don't think they ever made it to this side of the atlantic. Of course you UK people have a chance to have one but I believe it never made it out of France (except for mine:) As far as the holly grail list: yep one of each would be great. Francois ------------------------------------------------------------- Visit the desperately in need of update Sanctuary at: http://www.pclink.com/fauradon

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