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by Marty＠itgonline.com

_____________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: ebay Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 10/26/98 3:54 PM On Mon, 26 Oct 1998, Hans Franke wrote: > > 1. Bid more than anybody else through proxy bidding. This way when > > somebody else bids, the system will bid you up (to your max) automatically > > when someone else bids. If you want it bad enough, you can get it, but > > it may cost you. > > Jep, but to be shure, it has to be high, real high :( As high as $12,000? Only to have someone bid $12,100? > > 2. Learn the fine art of sniping. I live with a longtime e-bay user (my wife) > > who has the distinction of a 0 second snipe - it came in and was recognised > > some fraction of a second before the auction closed. She did it manually > > too. :) There IS sniping software, apparently, too. > > Just a NO. Maybe I'm stupid and old fashionated, > but sniping is just not possible. I stopped using eBay simply for this reason. The format makes it impossible to carry on a fair bid process and weed out the weenies. > > 3. My wife assures me that EVERYTHING comes around again, btw. Especially > > computers. She suggests patience. > > Jep, but this lot was real neat. > (And the next will be the one with the SC/MPs .. sigh). > I don't know if this will be around again, so nicly bundled >>If you look hard enough, you can ALWAYS find something around you, >>cheaper, and it won't cost you shipping. This is of course more true >>for some people than others (like a poor slob in Alaska trying to >>collect computers) but I've learned this lesson many times. Everything >>I've ever bought off eBay has turned up locally for a fraction of the >>price. Sometimes only a week later. Aren't you located in 'Silicon Valley?' You are located in an unusally fertile area for the old computer devotee. I live in the Washington, D.C. metro area which isn't bad but must pale in comparison to your locale. *sniff* **sob** Marty An alternate to eBay is needed. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ever onward. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 09/21/98] ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1998Oct26.155454.1767.72657; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:54:55 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id MAA14085; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:52:33 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with ESMTP id MAA19614 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:51:41 -0800 Received: from mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (mailhub2.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.54]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id MAA32 588 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:51:40 -0800 Received: from shell1.ncal.verio.com (dastar(a)shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by mailhub2.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA06918 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:51:40 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.3.96.981026124842.13135B-100000(a)shell1.ncal.verio.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:51:39 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: ebay In-Reply-To: <199810261856.TAA25057(a)marina.fth.sbs.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

27 years, 10 months

ebay

by franke＠sbs.de

> 1. Bid more than anybody else through proxy bidding. This way when > somebody else bids, the system will bid you up (to your max) automatically > when someone else bids. If you want it bad enough, you can get it, but > it may cost you. Jep, but to be shure, it has to be high, real high :( > 2. Learn the fine art of sniping. I live with a longtime e-bay user (my wife) > who has the distinction of a 0 second snipe - it came in and was recognised > some fraction of a second before the auction closed. She did it manually > too. :) There IS sniping software, apparently, too. Just a NO. Maybe I'm stupid and old fashionated, but sniping is just not possible. > 3. My wife assures me that EVERYTHING comes around again, btw. Especially > computers. She suggests patience. Jep, but this lot was real neat. (And the next will be the one with the SC/MPs .. sigh). I don't know if this will be around again, so nicly bundled > 4. Finally, to avoid heartache from being sniped, don't assume you have > a thing until you get the notification you won. Until you get that, > the thing isn't yours. Sag but true. Ciao hans -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 10 months

AY 3500

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>Anyone know anything about the famous AY-3500 chip, manufactured by >General Instruments, heart of a zillion Pong clones? What do you want to know? For pinouts and examples of use, you would find construction articles in then mid-late 70's issues of _Radio-Electronics_ and _Popular Electronics_ quite useful. Tim.

27 years, 10 months

Haggle Online (RE: ePay)

by kaikal＠MICROSOFT.com

> I'd > much rather this place be Haggle Online since that site has a specific > "Antique Computers" listing (http://www.haggle.com/cache/cat43.html). Since Haggle is actually owned by a member of this list, I wonder if we get to see all of the _really_ good stuff :) Kai

27 years, 10 months

AY 3500

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>examples of this. The AY-3-8500 was developed in the Scottish labs of >General Instruments in 1975. Magnavox was somewhat involved in the It's not nearly the same as the AY-3-8500, but I just dug up my copy of _How To Design & Build Your Own Custom TV Games_ by David L Heiserman (1978). He describes systems based around TTL and linear IC's, some of them rather involved (over 100 SSI/MSI packages, in some cases!) Of course, there are no microprocessors involved... :-) Tim.

27 years, 10 months

ePay

by franke＠sbs.de

>> I could imagine two possible ways - first add 1 hour after every >> (successful) bid. Or, second just state the ending day and put >> the ending time on a random moment. >> I would prefere the last one, because it would reflect the >> idea of proxy bidding - bid once and let the eBay do its job. > Ooh, I like that second idea! > For a long time, I've been advocating the first idea (automatic extension), > but it does have some drawbacks: > - Still requires that e-mail to the person outbid be faster than > the time remaining in the auction (a big problem now). > - Potential for the "never-ending auction". > - Offerer requirements that an auction *must* end by a certain time. Jep. If not eBay, maybe another system will pick up the idea. This could maybe give em the right difference for competition. The whole computer bidding idea is to save nerves. > As you can tell, I've bee sniped too. This is the first time I realy likes a thing so much, that I had put up a real high bid - and every thing seamed to work out well :( Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 10 months

TRS-80 Model I

by allisonp＠world.std.com

< I know that towards the end of the Model I production run most of my fri < interested in buying were totally avoiding the basic 4k units. They end < up with level II machines and never saw the unit before modification. I < would be kinduv interesting to know if these units were built as level I < machines or modified at the factory, or at the store. By late '79 the LII machines were the rule. Lower cost of rams and roms plus competitive drive. Also most were factory LII using the two chip LII roms or leftover three chip version. Allison

27 years, 10 months

BOFH

by roblwill＠usaor.net

um... it dosen't work. ---------- > From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org> > To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> > Subject: BOFH > Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 11:23 AM > > For sysadmins and everyone with a perverted sense of humor, you might enjoy > this site. A friend of mine turned me onto it a year or so ago, and almost > always puts a smile on my face! The URL is > http://www.networkweek.com/bofh.shtml.

27 years, 10 months

ePay

by franke＠sbs.de

>> Sigh. >> I hate it. >> Sniped just seconds before the end. >> They should realy change their policy about >> ending time - these (automatic) snipers are >> realy not the way it should be. > Hard cheese! ??? I like hard cheese - hmm but I cant get the idea :=) > Snipers, shills, and all of the other nasty things, some legally shakey, > have been around since auctions were invented. Ebay is no different. eBay is different - a real auctioneer always gives the same amount of additional time after teh last Bid - ePay just cuts. I could imagine two possible ways - first add 1 hour after every (successful) bid. Or, second just state the ending day and put the ending time on a random moment. I would prefere the last one, because it would reflect the idea of proxy bidding - bid once and let the eBay do its job. > At > least there is no annoying auctioneer (actually an American thing - the > European auctioneers do not talk at several hundered words per minute). Funny to listen. > I have been in the same situation quite a few times with Ebay, and now I > must just live with bidding ONCE, and if I am outbid, then I do not win. > None of this high-stress, keep-hitting-the-reload-button, waiting for me. Ja- especialy when the ending time is something like noon EST (6PM MEZ) - that's the heavyest trafic time across the pond. My line was so slow, I needed some 5 Minutes for reloading :( Gruss H. -- Ich denke, also bin ich, also gut HRK

27 years, 10 months

Noise levels increasing and have become deafening

by CLASSICCMP＠trailing-edge.com

>I joined the list some time ago because it was a means to get information >about some of the old computers I have collected, hardware and software >wise. This list no longer serves that purpose. To tell you the truth, I'm not sure it ever really served the purpose of "getting information". There have always been better ways of obtaining the information you're after. >99% of useful information I now get is off other peoples web sites. I'd estimate that of the technical questions asked here, 95% of them have easily found answers at a web site or a Usenet FAQ. Strangely enough, though, few folks responding ever list these sources of information, so the cycle of "ask question with well-known answer/receive 20 followups containing the information" continues. Tim.

27 years, 10 months

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