>Anyway, this isn't hard. Its just a matter of moving all the action off
>of eBay to somewhere more worthy. If everyone here (I know a lot of
>you are still foolish enough to play eBay) would agree to an alternate
>location that is perhaps built BY us, then we could lure away all the
>other people who aren't on this list eventually and create the premier
>vintage computer auction house on the web. Eventually, when this stuff
>REALLY becomes valuable, we'll have a virtual stranglehold on the vintage
>computer auction market.
Wow. Perhaps its time to incorporate ClassicCmp. ;-)
Kai just mentioned the owner of Haggle is a member of ClassicCmp (who?).
And his creation of an "Antique Computer" section obviously shows he's
interested. I'd also be willing to wager there isn't a larger, better
organized group of computer collectors than on ClassicCmp.
With some active endorsement from ClassicCmp members, and increased
support for classic computers by Haggle, I think we'd be off to an
excellent start.
Tom
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-----Original Message-----
From: Huw Davies <H.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 27 October 1998 18:05
Subject: Re: Microvaxen bits etc.
>I think this is just off topic (less than 10 years) but....
Hmmm, well, the date on the 2nd 6310 is 1989, so I guess it's a couple
months early.
>We have a 6530 with the same problem. I just ignore the errors and boot the
>system anyway. The only drawback is that the system will not autorestart
>from a power failure.
Hmm, I wondered about that, I rather thought the o/s might not care,
I'll have a look at that approach and see what happens.
I don't have any TK70 cartridges at the moment anyway....
(Been having a ball getting ready to transfer all my VMS binary installs
>from 1/2" R/R tape to 4mm dat on a Vaxstation in the cluster now that I have
a working 1/2" R/R tape system.)
The TA78/TU78 that came with the original cluster has a couple of
U/S PSU's, so I couldn't even re-install the O/S. Fortunately, I haven't
needed to.
Come to think of it, I don't actually know how to do an install of VMS to a
bare system. Hmm, I wonder where in the grey wall THAT's documented.
>I believe the correct approach is what you outlined above. If necessary I
>can dig out the appropriate manual.
If you mean the Vax 6000 owners manual, I did already.
It implies that it does so from the console error messages
in Appendix B-9, although the SAVE and RESTORE EEPROM
command sections don't actually SAY that it does.
Quote from VAX 6000-400 Owners Manual
Console 5-37:
"Saved information includes:
Systemwide console parmeters
(baud rate, interleave, terminal characteristics)
Saved boot specifications
Diagnostic patches
Console patches
Boot primitives"
End Quote
I'll give it a go as soon as I get some TK70's.
Thanks for that.
Cheers
Geoff Roberts
Computer Systems Manager
Saint Marks College
Port Pirie South Australia.
My ICQ# is 1970476
Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile)
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At 04:43 PM 27-10-98 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote:
>Hmm, you'd know the answer to this, I'm sure.
>Mission:
>To make our existing 6310 into a 6320 by adding a cpu card from the other
>machine.
>
>Problem:
>The ROM is the same (4.1) but the s/n etc have to match for it to
>be useable as a 2nd cpu. Will a save of the most recent of the cpu cards
>EEPROM data
>to the console TK70 and a restore to the other cpu duplicate the serial no?
>Or is their some darker art required?
I think this is just off topic (less than 10 years) but....
We have a 6530 with the same problem. I just ignore the errors and boot the
system anyway. The only drawback is that the system will not autorestart
>from a power failure.
I believe the correct approach is what you outlined above. If necessary I
can dig out the appropriate manual.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Huw Davies <H.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au>
To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 27 October 1998 15:38
Subject: Re: Microvaxen bits etc.
>At 06:53 PM 26-10-98 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote:
>My spares cupboard is a good place to start :-)
LOL. I should have known.
>>BTW, Huw, did you ever come across a source for a Vax 8530-Console cable?
>
>I think it's in another cupboard in my spares room. It's just behind four
>or five 6000 series cabinets, three HSC70s and a few other bits.....
Name your price for a DELQA or DELQA-YM and the 8530 console cable.
I'd swap you something, but you probably have 3 of everything I have
already....:^)
Hmm, you'd know the answer to this, I'm sure.
Situation:
We bought a complete system as spares, a 6310 with DMB-32, KDB-50 & 64mb
plus a KLESI-B & TU81+ and 3 x RA90's. Very cheap, from a scrapyard.
(I'm currently negotiating for the card fit from a couple of 6440's that
turned up at the same place)
Mission:
To make our existing 6310 into a 6320 by adding a cpu card from the other
machine.
Problem:
The ROM is the same (4.1) but the s/n etc have to match for it to
be useable as a 2nd cpu. Will a save of the most recent of the cpu cards
EEPROM data
to the console TK70 and a restore to the other cpu duplicate the serial no?
Or is their some darker art required?
TIA.
Cheers
Geoff Roberts
Computer Systems Manager
Saint Marks College
Port Pirie South Australia.
My ICQ# is 1970476
Ph. 61-411-623-978 (Mobile)
61-8-8633-0619 (Home)
61-8-8633-8834 (Work-Direct)
61-8-8633-0104 (Fax)
At 06:53 PM 26-10-98 +1030, Geoff Roberts wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Any Aussies out there know a good place to look for an ethernet adapter
>that will fit a Microvax II? I have a nice machine, complete with VMS 5.4,
>freshly rescued from a scrap metal yard, but it has no network adapter.
My spares cupboard is a good place to start :-)
>BTW, Huw, did you ever come across a source for a Vax 8530-Console cable?
I think it's in another cupboard in my spares room. It's just behind four
or five
6000 series cabinets, three HSC70s and a few other bits.....
Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies(a)latrobe.edu.au
Information Technology Services | Phone: +61 3 9479 1550 Fax: +61 3 9479 1999
La Trobe University | "If God had wanted soccer played in the
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I have about 27 apple floppy drives as well as other floppy based machines and
am wondering about their long term storage. is it better to close the drive's
latch or leave it unlatched? i would think that having the drive latched/door
closed would keep the drive from possibly getting misaligned if it got moved
or bumped around but on the other hand, having the drive closed for long
periods of time could possibly deform the head load pad. comments?
david
On Sun, 25 Oct 1998, Chuck McManis <cmcmanis(a)freegate.com> wrote:
] I'll admit that I am confused about the subtext in Jim's message where he
] writes:
]
] At 10:02 PM 10/25/98 -0800, you wrote:
] >Starting Saturday (perhaps earlier, but the first that I noticed) eBay has
] >been running radio spots on the national syndicate program feeds.
] > ...
]
] It sounds like this is a "bad" thing. Is it? If so why? It would seem that
] eBay is making a market for older computers that before didn't exist. Now
] is it that the 'old timers' who were used to picking up C64's at a garage
] sale for $1 will now have to pay $25 are grumbling? Doesn't this
] potentially increase the value of your own collection many fold? Isn't that
] a good thing?
] ...
This is a good thing if you are collecting computers just so that you
can sell them later at a profit. For those of us collecting to keep,
it means higher expenses and/or fewer acquisitions.
Of course, the unhappiness in my acquisitions department is eased by
the knowledge that a few machines may be saved from the scrap heap
by their sudden increase in value to the guy on the street. So the
machines may be more expensive, but in the end there may be more of
them available. Win some, lose some.
] --Chuck
] (Who is waiting for his Korg M1 synthesizer to become 'collectible' because
] he gave away an Arp Odessey when he was still clueless...)
Bill.
Hi Kiddos -
I just finished writing the first draft of the Computer History chapter of
the book I'm working on. I've put it up on my site at
http://www.warbaby.com/FG_test/comp_history.html - If any of you have the
time and are so inclined (it's about 12,000 words), I'd be grateful if
you'd take a look at it and let me know if you spot any errors or obvious
omissions.
It's written for people who know little or nothing about computers, so
don't be too harsh with its lack of technical stuff. OTOH, let me know if
you think it's readable by the technologically challenged.
I'll have the Internet History up by tomorrow, if you're a glutton for
punishment.
TIA,
R.
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Hello, all:
I began posting my "Altair Scans" to:
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/classiccmp/altair_scans.htm
You can see from the overall list that there is a lot of info there.
Also, I posted some PDP-11 stuff to:
http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/pdp11/
If anyone has any information to add to the list, let me know. I still
have to take an inventory of my docs, but it's about several Xerox boxes
worth.
Rich Cini/WUGNET
- ClubWin!/CW7
- MCP Windows 95/Windows Networking
- Collector of "classic" computers
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I agree. I think sometimes, it's good to get a bit off-topic. Even WAY
off topic (sometimes) isn't bad. Just as long as it's not spam, like on
the OCH. A break from the ordinary is good.
-Jason
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> From: Bill Richman <bill_r(a)inetnebr.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Noise levels increasing and have become deafening
> Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 8:04 PM
>
> Boo hoo. Personally, I *enjoy* some "chatter" in the group, as long as
> it's from people who are into classic computers and the like. As often
> as not, I will read a message and think "Y'know - that's exactly what
> happened to me/how I feel about that/where I'm at in life," and it feels
> good. I hang out in the rec.crafts.metalworking newsgroup a lot, and
> you'll never find a group lower in spam or more willing to help anyone
> who wanders in, whether it's a question about how to best move a 3,000
> lb lathe or the best snow tires for a Volkswagen. It's like the old
> guys who sat by the wood stove playing checkers in old-time hardware
> stores, except there are about 500 of them. I've seen this group giving
> each other some (occasionally much needed) "attaboys!" and general moral
> support, and it's kind of neat. If I want cold, hard facts, I generally
> look elsewhere, but if I want to read some personal anecdotes about
> classic computers and the lives of those who collect them, I come here.
> Relax, have a cup of coffee, and slow down a little. People with tunnel
> who demand instant gratification are most of what's wrong with the world
> today!
>
