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by sinasohn＠ricochet.net

At 10:27 PM 1/15/99 -0600, you wrote: >> Are Osbornes really that much harder to find than Kaypros? eBay currently >> seems awash in Kaypros for under $30... > >Both machines were very popular in their time and have no collector value >beyond whatever sentimental value they have for you. Well, I currently wouldn't pay for an Osborne 1 or executive, (except maybe a few dollars for a tan 1,) but I would pay for a Vixen or Encore. I would pay a bit for various Kaypros, but probably not as much as it would cost to ship one. My reasoning is that I have a lot of O1's and a few Execs, but only a KII. I think other people's reasoning is that a lot more people know about the O1 than the Kaypro, so that gets more interest/higher perceived value. Meanwhile, no one's ever heard of a Zorba, so I don't know why the two I've heard about sold for over $100. --------------------------------------------------------------------- O- Uncle Roger "There is pleasure pure in being mad roger(a)sinasohn.com that none but madmen know." Roger Louis Sinasohn & Associates San Francisco, California http://www.sinasohn.com/

27 years, 8 months

RANT Re: PDP-8 on e-bay

by Marty＠itgonline.com

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: RANT Re: PDP-8 on e-bay Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 1/20/99 5:55 PM On Wed, 20 Jan 1999, Chuck McManis wrote: > their teeth" on Sun machines who will be flush with cash, it would not > suprise me in the least if you could get $10,000 for it in 5 to 7 years. > (Others might tell you that selling it for more than $50 + postage is a > crime against nature but don't listen to 'em) Ack! Don't say that! >>Listen to the reasonable people: $50 + postage is more than fair :) As usual, Sam is the voice of reason. PLEASE listen to Sam and sell me one of these. Marty Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Always being hassled by the man. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 01/15/99] ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists3.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1999Jan20.175526.1767.94090; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:55:27 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists3.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id OAA09870; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:53:05 -0800 Received: from mxu1.u.washington.edu (mxu1.u.washington.edu [140.142.32.8]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id OAA2 8474 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:53:00 -0800 Received: from smtp1.ncal.verio.com (smtp1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.247.82]) by mxu1.u.washington.edu (8.9.2+UW99.01/8.9.2+UW99.01) with ESMTP id OAA01 861 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:52:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from shell1-n1 (dastar(a)shell1.ncal.verio.com [204.247.248.254]) by smtp1.ncal.verio.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA27340 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:52:59 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <Pine.GSO.4.05.9901201451310.12444-100000(a)shell1.ncal.verio.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:52:58 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)ncal.verio.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Re: RANT Re: PDP-8 on e-bay In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990120143043.00af6720(a)mailhost.hq.freegate.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

27 years, 8 months

PERFEX Machine???

by sunmoon＠rmi.com

Hello! I thought this would be the best place to ask about a PERFEX machine... I am wandering what it is??? I have searched everywhere else and I found some info that says its a Computer that helps in Diagnosis of Heart problems.. ??? But this thing is not at all like the one they explain.. Any info?? Thanx Michael Sunbear(*)

27 years, 8 months

y2k stuff

by Jgzabol＠aol.com

You might look at the Charles Babbage Institute http://www.cbi.umn.edu They have a lot of stuff and are willing to copy at $.25 per page. John G. Zabolitzky

27 years, 8 months

WTB: Motorola MVMEbus module manuals

by cfandt＠netsync.net

I'm in search of several manuals for some Motorola MVME boards I have. Please reply if you have any available for me to purchase. MVME 236-1,2,3 (Publication number MVME 236-1 Dx ) MVME 133-1 ( " " MVME 133-1 Dx ) Support Docs: SIMVME133-1 MVME 134 ( " " MVME 134 Dx ) Support Docs: SIMVME134 and finally the Support Documentation (schematics, etc.) for an MVME147S which is publication number SIMVME147S. Thanks for your help! Regards, Chris -- -- Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian Jamestown, NY USA cfandt(a)netsync.net Member of Antique Wireless Association URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/

27 years, 8 months

Twinaxial pins needed

by rhblake＠bigfoot.com

Anyone know a good source for bulk crimp pins used in the Amphenol (and other brand) twinaxial connectors used in networks? I need to get a handful for the inevitable repairs that come up at work and a few cents each for two pins and recutting the coax is better than $8 and up for each for a new connector set, just to use the pins. Thanks for any leads you might have.

27 years, 8 months

Wirehead Prime??

by bill＠chipware.com

Does anybody know what happened to Anthony Clifton (Wirehead Prime)? I was going to buy his OSI. He hasn't replied to any of my email or posted to classiccmp since before Christmas. Bill Sudbrink

27 years, 8 months

Classic Home Console Computers to Trade/Sell/Buy

by Marty＠itgonline.com

Hi Mark, If the Mac 128 is still available, I'm interested. I'm located in the Washington, D.C. metro area. I have a number of appliance (home computers) plus some Apples (II+, IIe's) available. I will post a list to the members of Clasiccmp of what I'm excessing sometime this month. marty(a)itgonline.com ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Classic Home Console Computers to Trade/Sell/Buy Author: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu at internet Date: 1/15/99 7:05 AM Hi Everyone, I'm new to this list. I've been collecting classic home console computers for about two years now and have some items to trade and some things I'm looking for (either trade or buy). You can check out my collection on my website at http://www.markrandall.com. Regards, Mark Randall Play Incorporated ====================== Classic Computers To Trade: ====================== Apple IIGS (full system with monitor/printer) Compaq Portable (original) IBM PC Jr. KayPro II KayPro IV Macintosh 128 (original) Radio Shack Color Computer Texas Instruments 99/4A ================================= Computers I'm Looking to Buy / Trade For: (Console Home Computers Only) ================================= Acorn BBC Micro Acorn Electron Amstrad CPC 6128 Amstrad CPC 664 Atari 65XE Atari 520ST Camputers Lynx Canon V-20 MSX Dragon 32 EACA Colour Genie EACA Video Genie 3003 (AKA System-80 / PMC 80) Exidy Sorcerer Franklin ACE 1200 Interact Model One Jupiter ACE Mattel Aquarius Memotek MTX 500/512 (or RS128) Oric 1 Oric Atmos Panasonic JR-200U Personal Micro Computer PMC 81 Phillips Videopac Salora Fellow Sharp MZ800 (MZ821) Sinclair QL Sinclair Spectrum Sinclair Spectrum + Sinclair Spectrum +2 / +2A / +3 SpectraVideo SVI 328 Sony HitBit Sord M5 Timex Sinclair 1500 Timex Sinclair 2068 Toshiba HX-10 Toshiba T100 Video Technology Laser Compact XT Video Technology VZ200 =============================== Computers Currently In My Collection (Pictures at http://www.markrandall.com) =============================== Amiga 500 Amiga 600 Amiga 1200 Amstrad 464 CPC Atari 400 Atari 800 Atari 600XL Atari 800XL Atari 1200XL Atari 130XE Atari 1040 ST Apple II Apple IIc Commodore 16 Commodore Plus/4 Commodore 64 Commodore 128 Commodore VIC 20 Laser 128 Radio Shack Color Computer Radio Shack Micro Color Computer (MC-10) Radio Shack Color Computer II (low rise keyboard) Radio Shack Color Computer II (high rise keyboard) Radio Shack Color Computer III Radio Shack Model 1 Sinclair ZX80 Sinclair ZX81 Tano Dragon 64 Texas Instruments 99/4A (gray/silver) Texas Instruments 99/4A (beige) Timex Sinclair 1000 ------ Message Header Follows ------ Received: from lists5.u.washington.edu by smtp.itgonline.com (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9i(b5) for Windows NT(tm)) id AA-1999Jan15.070554.1767.92508; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:05:55 -0500 Received: from host (lists.u.washington.edu [140.142.56.13]) by lists5.u.washington.edu (8.8.4+UW97.07/8.8.4+UW98.06) with SMTP id EAA10867; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:00:56 -0800 Received: from mxu3.u.washington.edu (mxu3.u.washington.edu [140.142.33.7]) by lists.u.washington.edu (8.9.1+UW98.09/8.9.1+UW98.09) with ESMTP id EAA2 3376 for <classiccmp(a)lists.u.washington.edu>; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:00:47 -0800 Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [208.131.56.12]) by mxu3.u.washington.edu (8.9.2+UW99.01/8.9.2+UW99.01) with ESMTP id EAA06 415 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:00:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail.calweb.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id EAA00119 for <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>; Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:00:45 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <000d01be407f$37c600a0$ef5dd3cf(a)markr.calweb.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 04:04:35 -0800 Reply-To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu Sender: CLASSICCMP-owner(a)u.washington.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mark Randall" <markr(a)play.com> To: "Discussion re-collecting of classic computers" <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Subject: Classic Home Console Computers to Trade/Sell/Buy MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-To: <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> X-SMTP: helo markr from markr(a)play.com server @sac13-239.calweb.com ip 207.211.93.239 user=markr X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 8.1 beta -- ListProcessor(tm) by CREN

27 years, 8 months

PDP-8 on e-bay

by joe＠barrera.org

> Subject: PDP-8 on e-bay >Don't know what the reserve is. The same guy also has a SOL and a Rainbow for sale. I just found out... $900. :-) I actually work just down the hall from Gordon Bell... if he can't help me get it working, then probably no one can... :-) - Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Robertson <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers <classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 8:15 AM Subject: PDP-8 on e-bay >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=58405239 > >Don't know what the reserve is. The same guy also has a SOL and a Rainbow for sale. > >Regards, > >Steve Robertson - QA Team Leader <steverob(a)hotoffice.com> >HotOffice Technologies, Inc. <http://www.hotoffice.com> >Phone: +1.561.995.0005 x228 Fax: +1.561.995.5990 > >HotOffice - The World's First Online Virtual Office Service > >

27 years, 8 months

OT, but info needed: RAM uprade

by allisonp＠world.std.com

<Slower clock speeds. This means that you literally can have a plug in <upgrade. You could also make one with a larger micron process and more <vertical and not worry about heating, but that gets to be bone headed. A <better idea would be to learn from competitors, and start making a more <economical way of producing chips. Your way off. First off intel is the process leader. But when you require everything to be 16bits wide like memory, address latches, byte/word logic and other nifty things to get to 16bit wide the cost goes up for the system. the cost to produce the 8088 and the 8086 was nearly the same save for the 8088 was cheaper due to volumes and not technology. <But I see your point... but remember, before being used on the IBM PC the <8088 had been on the market for 3 years, and probably in OEM's hands a yea <before that. very true. I was running a 8086/8mhz Multibus based system with 512k of ram and a 5mb hard disk and 1mb 8" floppies when the IBM PC was introduced. Needless to say I was appalled at it's terminally poor performance. <>The 386? < <Lower clock speeds... kind of a all-solving solution. Not hardly. <>The 486? < <The 486 was just plain dumb. You didn't really need a 486SX at all. You <could keep on making a 386, but Intel was afraid of AMD catching up to the <(with their 40MHz 386's and all). You could have also made a 386 to go in <a 486 socket. nope. The 486 executed instruction in fewer cycles and had several features that made it faster internally for the same clock speed as a 386. <>The Pentium II? < <The Celeron was actually a pretty good idea, too good. They should have <made the 128K cache at half clock speed like in the PII. A Celeron 333 <will perform better than a PII 300 in the same system, and you can <overclock the Celeron to compete with almost all Intel processors. the celeron is a pentium! it's more integrated with the onboard cache but it's also a fixed configuration so expanding it is harder. <Well, they did have a lot of proffessionals a lot smarter than I am workin <on the problem, and I'm willing to bet they had good ideas, but may have <been shot down somewhere between 'cost' and 'competion'. Also they were trying to get the x86 into the other non PC markets. <I'll say that I don't really like it, and that we could have done much <better. MIPS, SPARC, Alpha, all better than x86, and if they had <competition like the x86 market does, then it'd be a good assumption to <guess that the cost might even be halfed and performance considerably faste The dynamics of the microprocessor market is more complex than you think. If MIPS was so good it would ahve pushed out x86. Alpha is a 64bit cpu targetted at high end systems and the MicroVAX (32bit) was already well established and faster than 386/486. <Well, I'm glad that Merced means the end to this lousy architecture. It <wasn't until this year that we began seriouly getting rid of ISA, which, <aside from going from 8 to 16 bit, hasn't changed all that much since the <days of the XT. Note this is good for the collector side of me, but very <bad for the 'innovative, creative, etc.' side of me. Yep! Now all your boards don't work in the new machine and most of the older PCI ones don't behave either. What will merced run... pentium emulator so there is software for it. Allison

27 years, 8 months

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