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by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Phil Budne > I'd be interested in seeing it all preserved/available. That is the goal. > Maybe .. Apout would be a quicker way to run the binaries you have > (than to have to hack the vanilla v6 kernel) _Iff_ the existing binaries won't run under vanilla V6: For me, going the Apout route would require learning about Apout. Bringing up the MIT-V6+ under an emulator (so they could be run) would be a _lot_ less work, since I'm already intimately familiar with it, and I already have vanilla V6 running under an emulator (which I could use to produce a MIT-V6+ kernel that would boot under the emulator - the existing kernel images wouldn't, they use disk controllers that the emulators don't support). > I'm still looking for (NCP) ARPAnet code for v6! That's there too - that's being discussed on the TUHS list. See the archives. Noel

9 years, 3 months

RT-11 Basic source available

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Warner Losh >> I have retrieved an old/early copy of RT-11 Basic (V01-05 18-JUL-73, >> DEC-11-LBACA-A-LA1) modified to run under V6 Unix >> .. >> I also have a DEC MACRO-11 which runs under V6 Unix, which generates >> .rel files; there is a 'bind' (written in BCPL) which is a linker >> which reads .rel files. (There is a BCPL compiler, written in BCPL, to >> compile it.) Then there are two command 'relld' and 'ldrel' to convert >> back and forth from .rel to a.out. > I'd be interested... Interested in just the BASIC, or in the whole package? For those who are interested in running any of this stuff on a UNIX of some sort (as opposed to, say, taking the BASIC source and editing it to run under some DEC OS, using the pre-existing MACRO-11 on such a system), there are dependency issues one is going to have to deal with. That's because the MACRO-11 is written in MACRO-11, and the BCPL compiler (which one needs to compiler the linker) is in BCPL. So before either one can be assembled/compiled... one needs a working assembler/compiler (as the case may be), along with a linker. Can you say 'dependency loop'...? :-) I _do_ have working binaries (I think) for the MACRO-11, BCPL compiler, and linker.. but they may or may not run under vanilla V6 (they ran on the much-modified MIT-V6+, which is kind of an early PWB with a lot of MIT additions). Let me try them and see if they run under vanilla V6 (which I have running under Ersatz-11), and if so, then I can hand out the whole package. That all will take a couple of days to deal with. Noel

9 years, 3 months

Compaq 9000 Series Rack

by cctalk＠ibm51xx.net

Hello All, So maybe not quite classic but I believe in the vintage time frame - does anyone, ideally in the greater LA but even SoCal area, have a line on an Opal White 22U Compaq 9000 Series Rack? This is the half height rack not the full height 42U which seems to be everywhere (you can see pictures of a similar unit here: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?55953-Compaq-22U-Rack-9122). I don't have enough space for a full height one and the half height fits the bill nicely. TIA and sorry for interrupting the DEC talk! -Ali

9 years, 3 months

RT-11 Basic source available

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

Hi, I don't know if this is of any use/interest at all, but I have retrieved an old/early copy of RT-11 Basic (V01-05 18-JUL-73, DEC-11-LBACA-A-LA1) modified to run under V6 Unix, if anyone has any use for such a thing. I also have a DEC MACRO-11 which runs under V6 Unix, which generates .rel files; there is a 'bind' (written in BCPL) which is a linker which reads .rel files. (There is a BCPL compiler, written in BCPL, to compile it.) Then there are two command 'relld' and 'ldrel' to convert back and forth from .rel to a.out. Noel

9 years, 3 months

SONY NWS-1250 PSU

by plamenspam＠afterpeople.com

I recently obtained Sony portable model - NWS-1250 from Japan. There is a bottom label "AC 100V", however the PSU has 100-120V and 220-240V label. The exact PSU model is Sony 1-413-548-11. Is it safe to plug it in 220V AC or to wait the arrival of step-down transformer ? The other problem is that the disk has been wiped. Does anyone have NEWS-OS CISC version media ? Best regards, Plamen

9 years, 3 months

What's the rarest or most unusual computer-related item do you own?

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

Doug! We would like a scan of your dad's certificate! We have an ongoing collection on this computer at SMECC 1955 Honeywell computer business was originated from the Datamatic Corporation, founded in Newton MA, as a joint-venture by Raytheon and Honeywell, to produce large-scale computer systems. Raytheon sells its 40% interest to Honeywell in 1957.. 1957 Installation of the first Datamatic D-1000 to Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Michigan. Honeywell Datamatic 1000 uses 3 inch wide tape we have a 3 inch very very heavy reel and the 30 something track tape drive head.... could this someday be the start of the ultimate DIY tape drive build and tape recover? see more on this computer here... and we have modules for this tube computer we need to photo and more stuff to scan and add. http://www.smecc.org/honeywell_datamatic_1000.htm In a message dated 1/29/2017 1:27:26 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, billdegnan at gmail.com writes: On Jan 28, 2017 8:51 PM, "william degnan" <billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jan 28, 2017 8:40 PM, "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> wrote: > > > > On 01/28/2017 05:12 PM, Douglas Taylor wrote: > > > I have a certificate that my father was given in 1957 for training on > > > a Honeywell Datamatic 1000 computer. > > > > > > Here is a summary of this 'advance' in computer technology from the > > > ACM: > > > > > > The DATAmatic 1000 (D-1000) is a high-capacity electronic > > > data-processing system designed specifically for application to the > > > increasingly complex problems and procedures of present-day > > > business. The system incorporates significant new systems techniques, > > > as well as several basically new component developments. One of the > > > outstanding features of the D-1000 is its ability to feed information > > > from magnetic tape into the central processor at a sustained rate of > > > 60,000 decimal-digits per second, and to deliver data after > > > processing back to magnetic tape at this same rate. The operational > > > speed of the central processor maintains full compatibility with the > > > high speed of information transfer. Consequently, the difficulties > > > caused by programs which are either tape limited or processing-time > > > limited do not arise in the majority of commercial applications of > > > this system. > > > > Doug, you can probably re-live part of your dad's experience. There are > > some Datamatic 1000 manuals on bitsavers: > > > > http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/honeywell/datamatic_1000/ > > > > Big, wide tape reels. > > > > --Chuck > > > > I am pretty sure I have the first print of that manual, but I thought Datamatic was a pre-Burroughs machine not Honeywell...I am not home to check, if you'd like me to I can Monday. That's the base 10 system, right? I also have some orig decimal counter tubes IIRC too. I suppose that all qualifies as pretty rare. Or I am confusing with a different, similarly - named system. > Bill Yup I must be mistaken. Nevermind I'll check when I get back to my office B

9 years, 3 months

ps2 memory - with weird square silver IBM Circuit packaged memory on the ...

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

Thanks Guy! Mystery solved! I will put this note in with the memory stick.. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 1/28/2017 6:00:46 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ggs at shiresoft.com writes: At one time IBM was the largest manufacturer of memory and consumed *all* of it internally (e.g. for IBM products). At the time all of IBM?s ICs were in the ?aluminum? cans unless they needed more exotic cooling. In the PS/2 days, we ended up using some IBM produced memory because we could get a better internal transfer price than buying out in the market because the various IBM fabs had a bit of excess capacity and wanted it used. TTFN - Guy > On Jan 28, 2017, at 11:44 AM, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote: > > The talk of PS2 memory brought something back to me I have in a drawer > here... > > ps2 memory - with weird square silver IBM Circuit packaged memory on > the stick. > > What is the story on this? was IBM making it's own memory chips or just > repackaging them into > their silver square packaging? > > Now I will have to dig these things out. > > Thank Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) >

9 years, 3 months

ps2 memory - with weird square silver IBM Circuit packaged memory on the sti

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

The talk of PS2 memory brought something back to me I have in a drawer here... ps2 memory - with weird square silver IBM Circuit packaged memory on the stick. What is the story on this? was IBM making it's own memory chips or just repackaging them into their silver square packaging? Now I will have to dig these things out. Thank Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)

9 years, 3 months

Looking to read past EOT on DDS/DLT/LTO

by sieler＠allegro.com

Re: > From: Chuck Guzis <cclist at sydex.com> > I believe that ANSI refers to them as "partitions", IIRC, defined by a > special page in the MODE_SELECT command. Each partition has its own EOD. > > Using the MODE_SENSE code page 11h will turn up information as to a tape > bing multi-partitioned. As it happens, they (partitions vs. set marks) are different concepts. A DDS-1, -2, -3, -4 can be either a single unpartitioned tape *or* it can have precisely/exactly/only two partitions. (I didn't check newer DDS standards) Completely separately from any discussion of partitions: a tape basically consists of entries of type "Data" (user data) and "Separator Marks". The standards (e.g., ECMA-139 / ECMA-150 / ECMA-170 for DDS-1, ECMA-198 for DDS-2, ECMA-236 for DDS-3, and ECMA-288 for DDS-4) specify: "In this ECMA Standard, there are two types of Separator Marks which are referred to as Separator 1 and Separator 2. Some other standards, e.g. those which define an interface between a tape drive and a host computer, use the terms "file mark" and "set mark" to denote Separator Marks. It is recommended that Separator 1 be equated to file mark and Separator 2 be equated to set mark. ("file mark", of course, is also referred to as an EOF (End Of File)) I knew DDS-* drives were insanely complicated, but after reading parts of the standards, I now realize I was grossly underestimating just how insanely complicated they are! SDLT-1 supports "set mark" (and they're called that, not "Separator Mark 2" :), but not partitions. DLT-1 and Ultrium-1 support neither "set mark" (nor multiple kinds of separators) nor partitions. Stan (ECMA = European Computer Manufacturers Association) ISO/IEC 17462 = ECMA-288

9 years, 3 months

Sorcerer Software

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

For anyone who has a newly acquired an Exidy Sorcerer, this page might be helpful. http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2017-01-23-software-for-real-sorce… Terry (Tez)

9 years, 3 months

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