Does anyone know what the difference is between the M8290 and M8291 versions
of the CR11? The only version of the CR11 manual online only seems to cover
the M8290?
Noel
On Tue, 22 Jan 2019 cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
> Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 19:08:46 -0500
> From: Jesse Dougherty <jesse at cypress-tech.com>
> Subject: Hewlett-Packard 3000, 9000, Itanium (HP-UX & MPE/iX) Servers,
> Storage Arrays, Replacement Parts, Maintenance, & Disaster back-ups
> HP 3000 MPE/iX PA-RISC servers (aka e3000)
I've always wanted a 3000 system to play with after using one (as a user
only) many years and many jobs ago.
Epay prices seem a little high. $current_job had one years ago and sold
it on eBay for $250 (I found the sold listing in a folder ...). I cried
a little. It wasn't a fill the floor model - but it had to have had a
little "oomph" as it supported 30-40 interactive users all day.
I agree with the other posters and the list-boss - if you provide hobbyist
pricing I'd be game. You're not going to get far with commercial or
"high price just because it's rare but not in demand" pricing.
Otherwise, I offer fifty bucks ... :)
Fred
I have a need for an A990 system. If anyone has one that they want to
part with, let me know.
Thanks
Jesse
Cypress Technology Inc
Jesse at Cypress-Tech.com
Man you guys are tough... We sell this old HP stuff, thats what we do.
There is no commercial or retail price in 20+ year old items. Its comes
down to what we have into it, what others are selling them for, and what
the demand is. Jay, I dont recall quoting you a 12920, I went back 3
years on my sent emails and I cant find it. I dont remember what the
price or circumstances were. If I had that info, I could understand and
explain the price that I quoted you .. but I'm glad you found what you
needed... sorry if you were offended.
As for me posting an intro on this site.. I have a boat load of older HP
stuff and I'm always trying to find homes for. If my info or parts helps
someone get the part or system they need, then its a win for everyone.
I'm not some spam bot that just sends crap email out, we are a very
small company thats been around for 25 years and we have a lot of
knowledge with this older 1000, 3000, 9000, & Itanium hardware.
Resellers get flack from everyone but small HP vendors like us help keep
the wheels of this older HP machine rolling. Try to buy a 25 year old
system from HP, they will try to sell you a x86.. :-)
Again, it was an intro and if it offended anyone, please accept my
apologies*
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I almost NEVER do this, but please be VERY cautious if dealing with CU
Digital in Sadorus, IL. He does have a few model Ms and maybe some Fs, but I
STRONGLY suggest you pick them up in person and have a laptop and an adapter
to test them before buying.
Cindy Croxton
Electronics Plus
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> Even better, it claims to be able to control whether the memory uses odd
> or even parity! (How, for UNIBUS memory, I don't know - there's no way to do
> this over the UNIBUS.
So this really confused me, as the UNIBUS spec says parity is wholly within
the slave device, and only an _error_ signal is transferred over the
bus. E.g. from the 'pdp11 peripherals handbook', 1975 edition (pg. 5-8): "PA
and PB are generated by a slave ... [it] negates PA and asserts PB to indicate
a parity error ... both negated indicates no parity error. [other
combinations] are conditions reserved for future use."
The answer is that originally the UNIBUS parity operation was _different_, and
that sometime around the introduction of the PDP-11/45, they _changed_ it, which
is apparently why Appendix E, about parity in the /45, says what it does!
I found the first clue in the MM11-F Core Memory Manual (DEC-11-HMFA-D - which
is not online, in fact no MM11-F stuff is online, I'll have to scan it all and
send it to Al); I was looking in that to see if the parity version had a CSR
or not (to reply to Paul Koning), and on the subject of parity it said this:
"The data bits on the bus are called BUS DPB0 and BUS DPB1." And there is
nothing else on how the two parity bits are _used_ - the clear implication is
that the memory just _stores_ them, and hands them to someone else (the
master) over the bus, for actual use.
Looking further, I found proof in the "unibus interface manual" - and
moreover, the details differ between the first (DEC-11-HIAA-D) and second
(DEC-11-HIAB-D) editions (both of which differ from the above)!
In the first, Table 2-1 has these entries for PA and PB: "Parity Available -
PA ... Indicates paritied data" and "Parity Bit - PB ... Transmits parity
bit"; at the bottom of page 2-4 we find "PA indicates that the data being
transferred is to use parity, and PB transmits the parity bit. Neither line
is used by the KA11 processor."
(Which explains why, when, after reading about parity in the MM11-F manual,
I went looking for parity stuff in the KA11 which would use it, I couldn't
find it!)
In the second, Table 2-1 has these entries for PA and PB: "Parity Bit Low - PA
... Transmits parity bit, low byte" and "Parity Bit High - PB ... Transmits
parity bit, high byte"; at the top of page 2-5 we find wholly different text
>from the above, including "These lines are used by the MP11 Parity Option in
conjunction with parity memories such as the MM11-FP."
I looked online for more about the MP11, but could find nothing. I wonder if
any were made?
This later version seems to agree with that Appendix E. I tried to find an
early -11/45 system manual, to see if it originally shipped with MM11-F's,
but couldn't locate one - does anyone have one? The ones online (e.g.
EK-1145-OP-001) are much later.
It's also interesting to speculate about _why_ these changes were made; I can
think of several! :-)
Noel
I have these two in unused condition (the paper inside is a little yellowed
but apart from that looks new) including cassettes.
Cat no: 26-3839 & 26-3823
Ten pound including postage as paypal gift - not asking a lot as I'd rather
someone had them and saved them from the tip.
Regards, Mark.
Looking to track down an old HP 1000 series A900, A700, A600, A400
board. Its a 12042B Serial Interface board aka 5061-4941 or 5061-4919.
If anyone has one that they want to part with, feel free to contact me.
Thanks
Jesse Dougherty
Cypress Technology, Inc.
Re-Sellers of HP hardware
jesse (at) Cypress-tech.com