> From: Eric Christopherson
>> Anyway, the whole 'how do we find the info' is a part of why I started
>> working on CHWiki, once I discovered it
> Psst: it would've been a good idea to share the URL to CHWiki.
Well, that passing reference wasn't an attempt to get people to go look at
it, hence no URL! :-) I was focused on the abstract discussion about 'how do
we make information accessible, if relying on search engines to find blog
postings doesn't work'.
I have on several occasions posted appeals to this list for people to
contribute content to it, and gotten almost no response (with one notable
exception), in terms of added content; that was a large part of why I merely
mentioned it in an offhand way.
> a site I was already familiar with, but not under the name you used for
> it.
Ah, formally it's the 'Computer History Wiki', except that's a lot of typing,
so I've been using 'CHWiki' as a short, easy-to-type, name for it for some
time now.
> (It was a bit hard to find with Google, which just goes to show...)
Yeah, I added "CHWiki" to the text on the Main Page to make it a little easier
to find from the short name, after a previous case where I'd used that term
here, to some people's confusion. But I see it still doesn't work well; I
guess I'll have to add 'CHWiki' links from more pages. Using 'Computer History
Wiki' as a search term only works slightly better, though; it's at the bottom
of the first page of results for me, below a bunch of Wikipedia links.
Noel
PS: In response to a point raised in a private reply to me; the site is for
_all_ historical computers: personal computers, mainframes, the lot. I myself
have added a lot of PDP-11 material, but only because I'm very fond of them,
and know them well. The field of historial computers is _way_ too broad for
one person to cover in depth, which is part of why I previously appealed to
people who knew/were familar with other corners of it to add detailed content
in those areas.
> From: Christian Corti
>> An additional issue, I think, is that Google is deprecating sites that
>> use HTTP, versus HTTPS.
> Not true, in contrary, Google even crawls through FTP sites :-)
I did say "deprecate", not 'ignore totally'! :-)
Here's what I know: An e-commerce site where I do a lot of business announced
that they would switch to using HTTPS. I grumped, because I'd have to use a
browser I don't like as much. The owner wrote back as follows:
"next month Google will begin to demote all websites that are not https
secure"
I assume he knew what he was talking about (via his Web-site engineering
people). I suppose I could research it, but I don't have the time right
at the moment. I'd love to hear if anyone else knows more.
Noel
I found a newer version of the tech manual on bitsavers, which does mention
the mysterious S8 switch (as well as the S6 switch that fills the screen
with 0's upon clearing).
"The gated EXTENSION port mode, when selected
by switch S8, allows selective transmission of
data from the keyboard, in Half-Duplex mode, or
the communication line through the
EXTENSION port.
GT: Enables gated EXTENSION port
mode which allows ON/OFF control of
the EXTENSION port.
LK: Disables gated EXTENSION port mode
which allows locking and unlocking off [sic]
keyboard."
The wiring is on the newer schematic, too. Another of life's little
mysteries, solved :)
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Connor Krukosky and I have been working on laying out a new quad-height DEC
protoboard, which can also be sheared down into a dual-height board. Full
announce on the VC Forums:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?71177-GW-DEC-1-A-New-Quad-Height-…
These should be available within a month or so. I'll be putting up a
preorder soon to gauge interest in the production run, which as usual will
have hard gold plating on the edge connectors. I haven't gotten a quote for
the cost, but I expect them to be $30-40 each for production boards.
They'll be available at VCF Midwest as well as online!
Thanks,
Jonathan
>
> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2019 12:06:48 -0400
> From: Curt Vendel <curt at atarimuseum.com>
> To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: cctalk Digest, Vol 59, Issue 13
>
> Will...
>
> I?m still waiting for you and the Rhode Island Computer Society to get my
> brand new in the box 9766, the Alignment disk platter, the box of spare
> heads and the other unit 9766 beat up unit up and running that I gave you
> to donate to RICS for free in exchange for you reading the dozen 300mb
> platters I have and then once the data was read they could keep the
> platters...
>
> So still waiting on that... hint hint hint
>
There are two vintage computer groups in Rhode Island, The Rhode Island
Computer Museum <http://www.ricomputermuseum.org/>, and the Retro-Computing
Society of Rhode Island <https://www.rcsri.org/>. In this case, Curt is
talking about the Retro-Computing Society of Rhode Island.
--
Michael Thompson
Just a quick reminder for those folk thinking about registering...
The next DEC Legacy will take place Saturday 9th November 2019 - Sunday 10th
at the Marchesi Centre in Windermere, North West UK.
With a focus on Digital Equipment Corporation and their legacy of hardware,
software and ethos I'm also extending an open invitation to those who are
interested in SGI, HP, Sun, IBM and other high end hardware to come along
and share their passion with us. Several formal presentations will be mixed
with plenty of hands on time with hardware brought by enthusiasts.
Enthusiasts are encouraged to bring along hardware and software to exhibit.
The personal nature of the event brings a unique atmosphere within which
friendships are easily forged. Registration is now open.
Please visit http://wickensonline.co.uk/declegacy/ for more details.
Kind Regards,
Mark Wickens, M0NOM
Hi,
I have sitting in my pile of stuff an HP minicomputer that I?m trying to identify (at least in terms of exactly what it is and what sort of configuration it might have).
As far as I can tell, it?s an HP-1000 M-Series minicomputer (that should hopefully get us *some* details). The ?asset tag? lists the part number as 2113023-108. Looking at the back there?s space for 9 I/O cards (5 are occupied).
So my question is which of the several CPUs could this be and how do I tell (for example) what the configuration is (e.g. how much memory, etc).
Yes, I have looked on bitsavers, but short of disassembling the box to look at the (at least) 2 boards that are below the I/O slots, I can?t tell what?s there and I?d like to see if there?s a way to determine what this is without resorting to disassembly.
Thanks.
TTFN - Guy
Al Kossow via cctalk writes:
> On 8/14/19 8:53 AM, Anders Nelson via cctalk wrote:
>> I hope this thread will be written to a blog post
>
> Buried in a filing cabinet in the basement with a sign that says
> "Beware of Leopard".
>
> Blogs are a stupid way to archive information, almost as stupid as
> putting it on Facebook.
The problem is not archiving, but rather retrieving the data.
As a current example, I am looking for information on the Jonas Escort
computers. A slight misspelling (Jonas instead of Jonos) resulted in a
whole slew of graphic escort services. And spelling it properly has
resulted in basically zero useful information about the computer itself.
It is hard to believe the almost total lack of information on the Jonos.
If the scarcity is real, it must be worth at least as much as the Apple
I :).
And ditto for the Molecular Computer although not as bad as the Jonos.
BTW, these are two computers I'm looking at bringing to VCFMW if there
is any serious interest.
Instead of the search engines working to improve AI, they should be
putting more effort into ESP.
Marvin
> From: Paul Birkel
> But which bus? There are three ...
So I'm clearly not very awake this morning. I can only think of two major
quad-width DEC standard slots - SPC (UNIBUS) and dual QBUS. What's the third
- PMI? (MUD is hex, as is Fastbus.) Or OMNIBUS, if we're not restricted to
PDP-11's?
Noel
I did have a case where the Pi I was using as secondary DNS/DHCP and as the
secondary backup server (using USB spinning disk) destroyed its SD card.
But then it turned out not to be the load at all. No matter what I ran on
that Pi, it would corrupt its SD cards in a matter of weeks (the symptom
was that the fourth bit of some bytes would just stick on). I assume it
was just something broken in the Pi itself.
I will state here, for the record, that if someone can spam effectively --
or be a botnet C&C node -- from TOPS/10 on a PDP-10 emulated on my Pi, my
irritation at having my systems abused will probably be overwhelmed by my
admiration at their dedication.
(Traffic encryption via simh is incredibly painful. You have to turn login
delay waaaaay up to run NetBSD on VAX on a Pi if you want to be able to ssh
into it; the machine itself runs fine-ish, but the zillions of cycles to
encrypt the traffic swamps it in no time.)
And, you know, if you manage to cause my SD cards in those machines to
fail, well, gosh, guess I'm out $10 or so for a new one. I'm not bothering
to back up any of the stuff inside 'em, btw (so those of you using 'em,
seriously, save your work elsewhere if it's precious--and, um, yeah, unless
you're on OpenVMS, TOPS-20, or ITS, you don't have a TCP/IP stack and since
you don't have a direct terminal interface into it, that probably means
copying and pasting from the terminal session...but if you have something
you really want off it that's larger than a couple of screens full, just
write me a note and I can likely extract it for you more reasonably).
Adam