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by dm561＠torfree.net

Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 11:40:05 +0100 From: Andrew Back <andy at flirble.org> Subject: Re: Anyone off to VCF-UK? On (05:45 26/05/10), RodSmallwood wrote: <snip> >> Will somebody who knows these people explain what they have done and at >> least get an apology for Tony. >What an absurd suggestion and one that speaks volumes. >Regards, >Andrew ----------- Yes, that a suggestion to hear an actual reasoned response to Tony's (and others') observations and experiences instead of just dismissing them with childish name-calling, word-twisting and insults is considered "absurd" does indeed speak volumes....

15 years, 11 months

CNC nitwittery

by dgriffi＠cs.csubak.edu

I was wondering if anyone here has access to a CNC machine. The thing is a smooth elongated toroid about the size of a little finger with a small side hole. -- David Griffith dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

15 years, 11 months

Anyone off to VCF-UK?

by woyciesjes＠sbcglobal.net

> Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:01:21 -0400 > From: William Donzelli <wdonzelli at gmail.com> > Message-ID: > <AANLkTik3IF6D3zdmI22zLpME9I0kH5bNp_8jVpF37VKt at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > ? ? ? ?Really? Must've missed that part. > > Recall that Tony has a history of being an ungrateful schmuck when it > comes to VCF. Go back in the archives maybe five or six years - it was > with one of Sellam's events. There is also a history of BP museum > bashing. Okay, I'll amend my comment to "I don't recall" him coming across as ungrateful; and I don't remember an incident regarding VFC Sellam & Tony.. Maybe before I joined the list? > > ? ? ? ?Perhaps, he may have; but after being a member of this list > > for a few > > years now, I highly doubt that what is happened. I have never seen > > _any_ > > evidence on this list of Tony being an ego-maniac, as you seen to be > > trying > > to paint him as. > > Hmm... I'll take that as a disagreement... There may have been a message or 3 where he was egotistical, but I don't remember the messages exactly. They must've been few & far enough in between for them to not give me a bad opinion of him. I try to judge people on thier overall history average. Good people do stupid things occasionally, and I'm sure even Charles Manson was nice once. > > ? ? ? ?Enough is enough already. > > Yes, if the museum bashing were to stop and some certain people just > came clean, it would be great. > > Not going to happen... Unfortunately, you are right. Humans are imperfect, and amazing creatures of habit. -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ Registered Linux user number 464583 "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss

15 years, 11 months

Anyone off to VCF-UK?

by woyciesjes＠sbcglobal.net

The degradation of this whole thread highlights _exactly_ why email is a horrible communication method when you need to convey opinions, emotions, intent, and other subjective information. Tony, please don't go. Even though I only read here, and only contribute the odd link to a classic computing article; I ( and I guarantee many others) enjoy and appreciate everything you contribute here. That's very likely why people offered to get you to the event. Now for some comments & observations, placed inline: > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:08:59 -0400 > From: Evan Koblentz <evan at snarc.net> > Message-ID: <4BFC588B.6010102 at snarc.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > >> But my original message asked how others would benefit from having me there. > > That is exactly what I * said * that you said! And my point is, if you > have the attitude "What will others benefit from MY attendance," then > you're looking at it all wrong. You should go to VCF for * your own * > benefit. But the event certainly won't succeed or fail because of any > one attendee. That may be what he wrote, but you seem to have taken it all wrong. >> Ah, I see, SO the reason to attend a VCF is for what you can take, not >> what you can offer. > > No, but your attitude seems to be all about yourself. It may be for this particular topic; but not in any ego-centric way. It seems he was saying (in a round about way) 'Why do you want me to go?'. > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:18:01 -0400 > From: Evan Koblentz <evan at snarc.net> > Message-ID: <4BFC5AA9.7000108 at snarc.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >> I think Tony's just humbly asking why it's so important to these folks >> to persuade him to go. > > I think Tony's being an ungrateful schmuck. And honestly, your usage of alternate names & descriptions does nothing good for your image. >> he said that in his judgement it is not aimed at somone like him any >> more than a dog show or exhibition of the latest sex toys might be > > "There might be common, non-serious collectors present! I'm too good > for THOSE people!" Ugh .... spare us. Hmm, nope. I'd say he thought (being a very intelligent person who knows quite a bit about this) was more like 'The displays there probably won't go into enough detail for my (Tony's) interest.' What's wrong with that? >> He might be wrong of course and if he had attended he might well have >> enjoyed it, but it is his choice after all; why does that offend and >> upset so many people? > > It offends and upsets me because he's not just saying, "Thanks, but no > thanks;" instead he's insulting the entire VCF franchise, all computer > museums, and all people who attend such things. Really? Must've missed that part. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 01:13:22 -0400 > From: Evan Koblentz <evan at snarc.net> > Subject: Re: Anyone off to VCF-UK? > Message-ID: <4BFCADF2.1090102 at snarc.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > >> he had already gone there, volunteered and been insulted, charged for entry and given no respect whatsoever. They clearly know even less about the community of computer restorers than they do about computers. >> >> Will somebody who knows these people explain what they have done and at >> least get an apology for Tony. > > None of us can speak for TNMoC or explain their (alleged) rudeness. > But, if they know nothing and don't care about the community of > collectors/restorers, then they wouldn't be hosting a VCF, nor would > Sellam allow them to do so. > > I'm going to speculate: perhaps Tony showed up, waltzed in, and > proclaimed that he knew better than all of them. In any group or > company, that sort of person would be treated rudely. He's doing the > same thing now: "The only reason to attend a VCF is to privilege > everyone else with MY presence, but those people aren't worthy MY time." Perhaps, he may have; but after being a member of this list for a few years now, I highly doubt that what is happened. I have never seen _any_ evidence on this list of Tony being an ego-maniac, as you seen to be trying to paint him as. > I see a trend here. Would that be the one of you not reading his messages correctly? > ------------------------------ Evan - I'm not picking at just you; it's only that this last digest got me to thinking that Tony is getting beat up over nothing, correction - misinterpretation. Enough is enough already. -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ Registered Linux user number 464583 "From there to here, From here to there, Funny things are everywhere." --- Dr. Seuss

15 years, 11 months

Hannspree 9.6 inch tv 4-in-1 cable pinout ( a little ot)

by redodd＠comcast.net

Hello all, I just got a nice Baseball shaped Hannspree 9.6 inch tv from ebay. My problem is that I want to use the svideo input but this is only available at their 10 pin mini-din connector. The 10 pin proprietary 4-in-1 cable that has to be used for svideo wasn't included in the auction. I found out that Hannspree support is useless for technical questions like this. I couldn't find any pinout info from google etc. so I'm wondering if anyone here has a link or has a cable that they could check with an ohmmeter and supply me with this info. The 4-in-1 cable has connections for svideo, composite video, and left & right audio. This info should be posted somewhere because these tv's make nice monitors (800 x 600) for projects and are easy to remove from the original shell. TIA. Ralph

15 years, 11 months

Anyone off to VCF-UK

by dm561＠torfree.net

Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 00:42:20 -0400 From: Evan Koblentz <evan at snarc.net> Subject: re: Anyone off to VCF-UK > I didn't read any of this thread until tonight, when I read the whole >thing ... and now I have a headache. :) -- Maybe from the mental effort of finding new ways to twist other peoples' words and reply as judgementally and rudely as possible? -- >>Tony wrote: >>> What benefit would there be to the rest of the classic >>computer community if I visited such an event >...VCF attendees (and most exhibitors) don't attend with the attitude, >"Everyone is there to see ME" -- they go with the attitude of, "I'm there >to see everyone else." ... Anyone non-celebrity who thinks their >personal attendance is for others' benefit -- well, such people won't >be missed. -- I don't think Tony said or suggested anything of the sort; apparently his reason for attending would not be to "see everyone else," but to see (and perhaps share some of his) interesting computer items. But you value only the knowledge, experience, etc. of "celebrities"? I suspect that if everyone who attends these affairs primarily in order to give others the possibility to see and/or learn about their interesting items or experience stayed away then they would be sorely missed. Apparently others on this list *would* have valued his attendance and were even prepared to pay his way, and I think Tony's just humbly asking why it's so important to these folks to persuade him to go. -- >Tony wrote, ... >> I do have sufficient reservations about ... who it appears to be >>aimed at that I will not be attending. >It's aimed at all the same kinds of people who attend every other VCF. >you're saying you won't attend because you don't like "those" kind of >nerds? -- He said nothing of the sort; he said that in his judgement it is not aimed at somone like him any more than a dog show or exhibition of the latest sex toys might be, and he is choosing not to spend his time and money (especially others' money) in order to attend. He might be wrong of course and if he had attended he might well have enjoyed it, but it is his choice after all; why does that offend and upset so many people? -- >>> I do hope the event is a success, though. >Gee ... thanks. -- Most ungracious, but hardly surprising considering the source... mike

15 years, 11 months

EECO PTR tech info

by aek＠bitsavers.org

Does anyone have any tech info on EECO paper tape reader? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360166759118 Looked through my pile, and I don't seem to have anything on them. They're interesting because the tape guide can be set to 5/6/8 level

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Anyone off to VCF-UK

by evan＠snarc.net

I didn't read any of this thread until tonight, when I read the whole thing ... and now I have a headache. :) Some thoughts: Tony wrote: >>> What benefit would there be to the rest of the classic computer community if I visited such an event Having attended five VCF events (four California, one Boston) and personally organized four more (East 3, 4, 5, and 6), I can say this with complete confidence: VCF attendees (and most exhibitors) don't attend with the attitude, "Everyone is there to see ME" -- they go with the attitude of, "I'm there to see everyone else." VCF is a * community * event. Even some of the most name-brand keynote and panel speakers at past VCFs were excited to see the rest of the show, despite them truly being brought in for others to meet. Anyone non-celebrity who thinks their personal attendance is for others' benefit -- well, such people won't be missed. Rod wrote: >>> it would appear that computer museums are groups of donation funded, unpaid volunteers That part is true. In the MARCH computer museum @ the InfoAge Science Center, here in New Jersey, we're all volunteers and our group is solely donation-funded. >>> who seek to aquire as many inanimate examples as possible. False. We're not out for quantity. We turn away quite a lot -- and so do professional well-funded museums like the CHM. Here in NJ, sometimes we do take in more examples of Computers Brand X than we really need, but usually that's because the alternative is the owner throwing it away. >>> Systems are made to work only to attract visitors and hence revenue. We make systems work for the art, education, fun, and history of it. * Of course * that also includes attracting visitors -- how is that a bad thing!? I can't speak for other museums, but we're a not-for-profit, so any "revenue" we make is solely for the purpose of operating the museum and hosting events like VCF, certainly not to line anyone's pockets. >>> The members of the groups would much rather the space was used to store even more non working equipment and keep it out of sight and accessible only to the select few. That's not only wrong, it is offensive. Small museums like ours, and big museums like CHM, have "visible storage" and frequently arrange behind-the-scenes tours -- expressly because we want to * show * people what we have in our collections. In our case here at MARCH, it's also because we hope the visitors will become members and help us restore ever-more systems to working condition. Pat wrote: >>> At all of the VCF/Midwest events I ran, I never had any problem with any of the public doing anything to harm exhibits, and the exhibitors have complete control (within reason anyhow) of their own exhibit. That is universally true at all U.S. VCFs, and it's true at Europe, from what Hans has told me. Sellam, not Patrick, nor myself has ever had a security problem at a VCF. Here in NJ, our security is extra-safe, because we host VCF at our own venue -- so we're the ones who lock the doors at the end of the day. Will wrote: >>> I would encourage all our UK and European members to give this show a chance. Go. You will have fun. Go to any VCF you can. Yes !!! >>> Go to the MARCH VCFEast, so you can pick a fight with me. But take it outside, please. :) No fighting in our buildings! >>> There seem to be some assholes ... but they can be ignored, and fun will be had by all attending. I wish I could be there +1 Tony wrote, in another reply: >>> from what I've heard from talking to people who've attended the VCF in the States or in Germany, it appears it will be a somewhat different sort of event. I haven't heard that. >>> I do have sufficient reservations about ... who it appears to be aimed at that I will not be attending. It's aimed at all the same kinds of people who attend every other VCF. you're saying you won't attend because you don't like "those" kind of nerds? >>> I do hope the event is a success, though. Gee ... thanks.

15 years, 11 months

Free: Kaypro 2x near Toronto, ON

by devon＠stopps.ca

Free Kaypro 2x Working when last used a 3 years ago. Looks great. Believe there is a system disk with it. Can drop off between Toronto, ON and Kingston, ON, or come pick it up in Cobourg. Contact me off-list.

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Anyone off to VCF-UK

by dm561＠torfree.net

Oops, looks like in my previous post I attributed one of the quotes to Tony instead of Rod and although it doesn't really change anything, apologies anyway if either of them was offended; perhaps one or both might indeed have enjoyed a dog show or sex toy exhibition... ;-) mike

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