I have an IBM model M2 here which when plugged in, the Num lock and
scroll lock leds go on, and the keyboard refuses to do anything. I
notice that SOMETIMES the Model M I have here does the same thing
(num+scroll on, no response) for a few seconds, and I'm GUESSING it
might be something like the 5v line can't supply enough current to run
it properly at startup, but it usually starts working after about 3 or 4
seconds; the M2 does not.
Any idea what causes this, or whether it is fixable?
Jonathan Gevaryahu
jzg22 at drexel.edu
Ok, I found it on EBay, but I consider it a rescue. :)
This is an HP 9836 Model 200, a machine I've been looking to find for
quite some time. It's a Motorola 68k-based workstation that was
targeted (I believe) at the scientific market. It runs a proprietary
OS and has several languages available for it. My next goal is to try
and generate diskettes for it, which is not going to be easy until I
finish getting my IBM PC set up for use at home.
There's more information available at
http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=3 and I have a photo
posted at http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4243664&l=a9af6169d9&id=734972117
I don't know if anyone would be interested in something like this, but
the seller has several more of these (they were apparently in a
warehouse he was asked to liquidate) and he's had some trouble finding
buyers. The biggest issue is shipping them. This is an 85 pound
machine and it cost about $80 to ship it to me UPS Ground (I didn't
get the chance to ask him to use a different shipper).
If anyone is interested in one, I can collect email addresses and send
them to him. I believe he is willing to let each one go for $25 plus
shipping.
Mark Davidson
mdavidson1963 at gmail.com
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/sys/1777867686.html PDP 11/23+ - $1
(Sherman Oaks )
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Western Digital , PDP 11/23+ , Brand New , Never Used , RLO2 , Kenedy Tape
Drive
--
Stephane
http://DECpicted.blogspot.com
I have (2) Black Box Modular Statistical Stat-24 Multiplexer's (MX868A)
that are destined for the recycler at the end of this week unless
someone on this list wants them. I may be able to locate line drivers
that can be used with these units as well. Please contact me off list
if you are interested in them.
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Zane H. Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> wrote:
> It's probably just as well I'm no where near close, but I have to question
> the description. What is the odds of a 20-30 year old system being "brand
> new", and where do the Western Digital and Kennedy Tape Drive come into play
> based on the photo. ?I see a /23+ and two RL02's. ?A rather nice config. ?I
> have a /23 like that, though lack the rack.
Pretty sure that's a stock/Googled photo. I think I've even seen it
before. If it's real, whoever gets it might check the recent archives
as I recall someone looking for the 1U "DEC Datasystem" strip.
> Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 16:12:47 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Chris M <chrism3667 at yahoo.com>
> Somewhat offtopic, but if anyone in the northeastern part of the US has
> any totally cool PowerMac clones (Radius, Moto, etc.), I might be
> interested. As long as they're totally cool.
You need an Outbound Laptop Model 125 from 1989. It was totally cool. It
weighed about 9 lbs, which was still lighter than the Macintosh Portable,
had a detachable IR keyboard with pointing device. The pointing device
was an isobar which rolls for up and down movement and slides side to side
for left right. In addition to the normal four SIMM sockets for 4 MB of
system RAM, there were four SIMM sockets for persistent RAM Disk (called a
Silicon Disk by Outbound) which could be up to 16 MB with four 4MB SIMMs
(one of these days I'll try 16 MB SIMMs in there).
The CPU was a 15 MHz 68000 and it used either SE or Plus ROMs. The screen
was 640 X 400 LCD. It used a standard camcorder battery. One could have
either an internal floppy drive or an internal 2.5" IDE drive of 20, 40,
60 or 80 MB capacity. However, this creates the biggest conundrum for the
collector.
If you get one with the internal hard drive, you have no floppy drive
unless you get the external floppy drive with it. Many of these machines
have been separated from their peripherals over the years. And the floppy
was not "standard". It was a standard Citizen brand floppy mechanism, but
it had a controller card on the back end with a security protected GAL
included. Sigh. As well as a 37C65, a WD92C32, a small Atmel EEPROM
(28C64) and a Xicor X9103 (digital pot.).
It was possible to dock the Laptop to the (now ROMless) SE or Plus (if one
had a docking card installed in the ROM sockets) and then use the I/O
ports, screen and memory of the ROM-less host computer. So one could have
dual screen operation.
The Outbound could also be put in Target Disk mode when using the SCSI
adapter so that the internal IDE drive would appear as a SCSI disk to a
connected host machine. Or the SCSI adapter could just be used to connect
to SCSI peripherals. Standard Macintosh Serial ports were included with
support for LocalTalk, so if you lack an external floppy drive, file
transfer via LocalTalk/AppleTalk is still possible.
There were other cool features and much thoughtfulness in the design, such
as a cable to connect the keyboard if one was operating in an environment
where the IR wouldn't work (bright sunlight?). And a Bus Mouse port on
the keyboard so one could use a mouse instead of the Isopoint device.
I wish I could track down Doug Schwartz who owned/started Outbound. I'd
really like the code for the GALs in the floppy adapter and the SCSI
adapter (assuming he still has them). And if he has the source for the
laptop EEPROMs (there was a little code in additional EEPROMs in the
laptop to handle various details) that would be nice.
They were based in Boulder, CO.
Anyway, as far as cool Mac clones, in my opinion, the Laptop Model 125 was
the coolest. Outbound later made some nicer Notebook computers with lower
weights and more traditional form factors, but the Laptop Model 125 takes
the cake for cool features at a very early date.
The clones of the mid-to-late 90s were (mostly) just Apple chip sets (and
often entire Apple logic boards) wedded with different power supplies and
computer cases. When you dig into the actual feature sets, they didn't
offer anything you couldn't already get from Apple, except that one clone
that had the standard set of PC ports...
The Laptop 125, it had innovative stuff that didn't come from Apple.
Jeff Walther
>
> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 22:41:00 -0400
> From: "Curtis H. Wilbar Jr." <rescue at hawkmountain.net>
> Subject: old Sun SCSI chips
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
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>
> I'm trying to nail down the differences between FAS101 and 53C96 SCSI
> chips
> used in Sun systems/boards.
>
> I believe the 53C96 is 5MB/sec SCSI and the FAS101 if 10MB/sec.
>
> (I found specs for Macs with the 53c96 that say 5MB/sec which is where
> I got that # from). A Sun infodoc article lumps up the FAS101 and MACIO,
> doesn't indicate the speed of the FAS101, but indicates the MACIO is
> 10MB/sec.
Yes, the 53C96 supported *unenhanced* SCSI 2 operations, meaning 5 MB/s
maximum theoretical transfer speed.
If you wanted *Fast* SCSI-2 (10 MB/s) you needed the 53CF96.
I do not know anything about the FAS101.
Jeff Walther
heads up on Tektronix 4014's
In the "Black Hole", Los Alamos, NM, the 19" Tektronic 4014? terminals -
-someone needs to save these. One has a busted CRT, other looks OK, and
is a rebranded TEK unit apparently. Yes, outdoors, but nothing rusts there!
Whomever gets them and gets one working, there is a small community that
admires them greatly so it's not like anyone would be "stuck" with it.
images here:
http://www.bunkerofdoom.com/travel/blackhole/1009125.jpghttp://www.bunkerofdoom.com/travel/blackhole/1009128.jpg
also an IBM 523 summary card punch was inside, in the back. I suppose if
you need to summarily punch a card, this is the machine for you. looked
dusty but OK.
Patrick
Hi,
If anyone would like a free HP Integral (missing a power supply), please
email me. It also has a 512 KB memory board.
ROM Module has HP-UX 5.0
Second expansion slot is empy.
Has keyboard (and cable), internal printer, internal floppy.
No mouse.
Preference goes to anyone who can pick it up in Cupertino, CA.
Otherwise, cost of shipping Fed-Ex is needed.
Stan
sieler at allegro.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:36:51 +0100 (BST)
> From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell)
>> On 03/06/10 19:28, Tony Duell wrote:
>> > Why isn't something similar done now. Have an adapter containint eh
>> > electronics which lasts for a long time, and just replace the
>> fluorescent
>> > tube when it fails?
>>
>> Profit.
>>
>> The Engineer Says: "I just made a lightbulb that lasts a million hours!"
>> The MBA Says: "NO! Don't tell ANYONE about it. It'll kill the sales of
>> our existing two-thousand-hour-lifetime products!"
>>
>> The Engineer Says: "What if we split the tube from the ballast? Then if
>> one fails, the customer can keep the other, working bit?"
>> The MBA Says: "People don't want to buy two separate parts. Also it's
>> more profitable if they have to swap the whole thing."
>
> Is it me, or is most of the 'green' movement one big con?
It's not just you. The greenie movement is a religion, not a sensible
movement attempting to solve problems in rational ways. If they were the
latter, they would have been advocating nuclear power as soon as reducing
CO2 became a fad.
CO2 emissions have been a concern since the late 70s if not earlier, but
that didn't stop the greenies from lying about nuclear power at every
opportunity and essentially forcing the increased use of coal.
If the USA had built 10 new nuclear electricity generating plants a year
since 1980, our CO2 emissions would be 28% lower now, not to mention the
accumulated reduction in emissions over the last thirty years.
Arguably, the greenies caused global warming....
Jeff Walther