David Gesswein <djg at pdp8online.com> wrote:
>> > I'm very much interested in both of those. Can I talk you into making
>> >them available?
>> >
> I have a copy of vista here
>
> http://www.pdp8online.com/pdp8cgi/os8_html?act=dir;fn=images/os8/dewar-edit…
>
> In a search I found this
> http://vandermark.ch/pdp8/local/Sources/read_dir.php?f=Other/new-22-vista-2…
>
> It appears to be the vista editor source. The actual vista source seems to
> be in the empty at the end if its complete. I haven't tried to build it. Has
> modules for a couple different terminals.
I have the sources for VISTA as well. However, it is written in PAGE8,
which is another assembler for the PDP-8. I also happen to have PAGE8,
so I should make all of that available, when I have time and access to
my PDP8 systems.
I also have the VISTA manual, but I think I might only have it in paper
form, so I guess I should try and scan that at some point as well...
And yes, I'll try to upload my EMACS-clone as well. Just give me time... :-)
Johnny
I have one of these that I would like to get going or at least
see how far i can get.
I don't see much out there except Al's site. Witch has limited info.
Does anyone know of? hardware and trouble shooting? manuals and
what type of? terminal interface they used.? I found this is a Horse
arena upside down.
Jerry
I have a bunch (about 13 pounds) of catalogs and datasheets for VME
products from various manufacturers, plus a directory or two. Any
interest in the pile for $5 plus shipping (media rate - cheap)?
Contact me off list.
--
Will
Don North <ak6dn at mindspring.com> wrote:
> On 6/22/2010 12:34 AM, E. Groenenberg wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Johnny is right, the 11/74 option was a multiboard set (just like the
>>> >> FPP option) that could be plugged into the new 11/74 backplane (which
>>> >> was an 11/70 backplane with all the CPU and FPP slots pushed down by
>>> >> four to make room for the CIS option in the first slots).
>>> >>
>> > How was this achived? By reducing the Massbus card space by 4 boards
>> > so 3 interface sections were available? Or by redesigning the processor
>> > in such a way that there were less boards needed?
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> >
>
> Removed one of the MASSBUS controllers.
That makes sense. MASSBUS was on the decline anyway. And if you were
going with mP systems, you could hook up massbuses to several CPUs,
meaning you'd get a lot of them in the end anyway.
Or actually, this was probably when MASSBUS was still very much hip.
Well, mP still meant you could get lots of massbuses on the system, and
RSX-11M+ supported mixed massbus configurations anyway, so you could get
away with fewer massbuses.
The other option would have been to remove the 4 slot Unibus at the back
of the CPU, and just have the single SPC slot, and the out.
> The CPU board set was essentially the same, slot for slot. There were
> several boards that needed rev/ECO to provide hooks for the CIS option,
> but all in all these were minor updates and were backward compatible.
As far as I can tell, it's both changes for CIS, and also changes for mP
capabilities.
> IIRC the main change was to add additional microcode to the base 11/70
> microengine (from 256 to 512 words) by doubling the PROM bit density.
> This code did all the base instruction dispatch and operand fetch for
> the CIS unit.
Looked through the document you provided in another post. Interesting
stuff...
Johnny
I can send you one for the cost of shipping, contact me off-list.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
On Jun 22, 2010, at 6:16 PM, "Rob Jarratt"
<robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
> I was given a Sun Ultra 5 the other day, not really a vintage
> machine, at
> least not yet, hence "slightly OT". I don't know anything about these
> machines but I expect there will be people on this list who do. The
> machine
> came without a keyboard or mouse and I think I need at least a
> keyboard to
> get it to boot. I believe I may need a type-5 or type-6 keyboard
> with a
> mini-DIN connector. I can't find much on eBay. Can anyone tell me
> where to
> find such a keyboard? I don't want to spend a lot because Sun is not
> my
> thing really, but it would be nice to get it working.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
On 6/22/10, Philip Pemberton <classiccmp at philpem.me.uk> wrote:
> Reverse engineering is a great way to spend a day! :)
Many of my nicer ones have been spent thusly.
> I've got a Planar EL panel on my desk, "liberated" from a supply of Sun
> spares (apparently it's meant for a StorEdge A5000 series box). 160x80
> pixels, and a 6x3 touchscreen. Very cool looking
Sounds really cool.
> Anyway, I think I spent about three days probing and tweaking it. It's a
> standard controller (Epson SED1335) but the touch screen controller is
> an ASIC. Turns out it's nice and simple though... Full details (pinouts
> and code) on my website if anyone's interested.
I'll have to check it out - I've been hacking HD44780 and T6963 and
SED<mumble> displays for years for LCDproc. It's especially fun to
pull on from some dead bit of technical kit and put the LCD back in
service. I've done that with a $8 front panel from a satellite TV
converter box (LEDs, buttons and 2x40 HD44780 LCD) among others.
-ethan
I was given a Sun Ultra 5 the other day, not really a vintage machine, at
least not yet, hence "slightly OT". I don't know anything about these
machines but I expect there will be people on this list who do. The machine
came without a keyboard or mouse and I think I need at least a keyboard to
get it to boot. I believe I may need a type-5 or type-6 keyboard with a
mini-DIN connector. I can't find much on eBay. Can anyone tell me where to
find such a keyboard? I don't want to spend a lot because Sun is not my
thing really, but it would be nice to get it working.
Thanks
Rob
Rob Jarratt wrote:
> I have a MicroVAX 3400. It uses quite a lot of power compared to my other
> MicroVAXen (about 180-200W). It has an M9060 Load Module installed and I
> understand that this is needed to give the power supplies enough load to
> work correctly. However, if I have enough stuff already in the machine then
> it would seem that this module is just sucking up power needlessly. How much
> stuff do you need in the machine to make the M9060 redundant? At the moment
> I have a KA640 CPU and a KA655 CPU, two 16MB memory boards a DESQA and the
> TK70 controller. I do not yet have any DSSI disks for it, nor do I have a
> KFQSA, but the KA640 has DSSI built in.
Just remove it and see if the machine stays powered up.
Peace... Sridhar
Rob Jarratt [robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com] wrote:
> I have a MicroVAX 3400. It uses quite a lot of power compared
> to my other MicroVAXen (about 180-200W). It has an M9060 Load
> Module installed and I understand that this is needed to give
> the power supplies enough load to work correctly. However, if
> I have enough stuff already in the machine then it would seem
> that this module is just sucking up power needlessly. How
> much stuff do you need in the machine to make the M9060
> redundant? At the moment I have a KA640 CPU and a KA655 CPU,
> two 16MB memory boards a DESQA and the TK70 controller. I do
> not yet have any DSSI disks for it, nor do I have a KFQSA,
> but the KA640 has DSSI built in.
Each of the two PSUs needs to be sufficiently loaded to work and if
either is not happy the system shuts down. So if you arrange to have
enough load in slots 7-12 you can put the load board to one
side for now.
However, the CPU and memory need to be in the first few slots
(iirc) and I very much doubt that a DESQA and a TQK70 are
enough to keep a PSU happy. If you had a KDA50 in there
you'd be fine, I would guess.
> Incidentally, anyone know why this machine has two PSUs if
> they are not (as I have read somewhere) redundant?
I assume that there was not a single PSU around that could supply
all 12 slots. There are at least two BA200 series enclosures:
the 12 slot one you have and a smaller 6 slot one. I assume that
a single power brick is enough for the smaller enclosure and
that it was simpler to have two power bricks in the bigger
enclosure rather than go off and design a more powerful brick.
Remember that when these things were new 180W was chicken feed
compared to the more powerful machines of the day (like the
VAX 6000 series).
Antonio
Rob Jarratt wrote:
>>I suspect the PERQs you
>>mentioned were the ones that were in the NMoC anyway
>
> I failed to find these, and I think they also have a Cray on display, which
> I also failed to find. I should have asked someone I suppose.
The PERQs and Cray are in the "Scientific Computing" room in H Block.
There's a lot of DEC hardware in there, such as VAX, PDP and the like.
I think the TU77 tape drive that I took to BP is in that room, too.
--
John Honniball
coredump at gifford.co.uk