Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:34:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>
Subject: Re: GET LAMP is here
>> Hmm, let's see... "A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly
>> devoted
>> to his or her own opinions and prejudices."
>A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
- Winston Churchill
>. . . and even fewer people will change the SUBJECT: line
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Guilty as charged; sorry, I just really enjoy yanking Dave's 'M$ fanboy'
chain...
But all good things must end, alas...
m
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:38:36 -0400
From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
Subject: Re: GET LAMP is here
On 8/11/10 12:28 PM, Richard wrote:
>>> Since you choose to brand my comments as bigotry, something for which
>>> we both seem to be known, [...]
>>
>> Actually its just you.
> Not so much, actually. I'm usually the one who pops up complaining
>about Windows, and you're usually the one who pops up contradicting it.
> But hey, it's all in good fun.
> -Dave
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Hmm, let's see... "A bigot is a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted
to his or her own opinions and prejudices."
Gotta admit, that sounds like you all right, at least in this context.
So, in your view someone who objects to bigotry is also a bigot? Interesting
logic...
@ Richard:
Give it up. No point in arguing with folks who have a need to tell us at
every opportunity that they're smarter, better, whatever, than all those
Windows lusers out there; just smile tolerantly and ignore them.
We know who *really* "gets" more, MS or 'nix types, don't we...?
But hey, it's all in good fun.
mike
Further from the details of the OP, but a little closer to the spirit
of the OP and more DECish:
I remember students calling up when they had trouble running their
Fortran homework programs through the compiler on the "VT100 computer
running VMS".
Even today the computer hardware on the desk is often blamed when it's
really really some backend website that's FUBAR or Microsoft's Windows
getting infected by spyware.
And as long as we're talking about people who get confused by the label
on the computer devices in front of them,
where's the guy who swears up and down that he has OS/2 for the PDP-11
and that he was using the predecessor to Fortran in 1982?
None of the above people are evil, just misguided and in need of some nudges.
But it's sad that the computer industry is so confusing that the nudges
are needed, and that the folks who decide what brand gets buys are so often
swayed by the brandname of something on their desk rather than reality.
Tim.
-------------------Original Message:
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:48:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com>
Subject: Re: GET LAMP is here
On Mon, 9 Aug 2010, Tony Duell wrote:
> I don't see why a comment of the form 'It's a documentary abotu the
> heistory of text adventures, for more information see <URL>' is
> impossible.
I agree. I often need to read several messages further on in a thread to
figure out what is being talked about.
"XYZZY" or "PLUGH" would be more recognizable. But, like many puzzles in
Colossal Cave, it's obvious AFTER you know it, but not before.
> follow such a URL involves almost as much work as you getting to see one
> of my workshop notebooks. And I want to know if that effort is worthwhile.
If we could scan the entire existing collection, then the effort probably
would be worthwhile.
I'm on dial-up right now. A URL with no explanation just seems rather
inconsiderate.
Oh, well. But, it's not just here. The college adminiatrators tend to
send a 4 line paragraph as a MICROS~1 WEIRD attachment with no explanation
other than "FYI" or "read the attachment". Meanwhile, the "Help Desk"
sends out several announcements per week saying, "Please stop opening
attachments that come with email, and please stop replying to messages
that ask what your password is!"
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
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I'm with Tony and Fred on this one: a hint of what a URL is about would be
nice and show a little consideration.
I'm on dial-up as well, often incurring per-minute long distance charges,
and read my email off-line; if there's no clue what a link is about then I
just treat it as spam no matter where it's from instead of investing time
and money looking at something that probably won't interest me (especially
when some sites take 3 or 4 minutes at 56K just to open the page).
mike
I'd love to use 5.25" Bernoullis as removable storage on a PDP-11 via
a Qbus SCSI host adapter. Does anyone know offhand if any of the common
boards, like the CMD CQD-223, will properly handle a drive with 256
bytes per sector? I know it's a bit odd to think about, but it seems
like a good idea to me, if it'll work.
If nobody pipes up and says it definitely won't work, perhaps I'll dig
up a Bernoulli drive and try it at some point.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
On 7/20/10, Rob Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>> With a serial port, you can turn an old machine with two serial
>> interfaces into a snooper...
>
> RS-232 is such a pain, I just had some problems recently. I had never
> thought of using my PC as a way of snooping serial traffic. I have two
> serial ports on my machine. Does anyone know of any good software to do
> this? I could always write it myself, but it would be nice if there was
> already something there.
Here are several:
http://freshmeat.net/projects/linuxserialsniffer/http://freshmeat.net/projects/serlook/http://www.serialmon.com/http://www.gumbley.me.uk/scope.html
Some of these use one port and a special sniffer cable, some use two
ports. There are other sniffers out there, I'm sure, but these were
the ones that took less than two minutes to find. I haven't used any
of them, so I can't recommend one vs another. I have commercial-grade
gear for this (HP4951), but with all the options out there, you should
be able to find a PC-based one that does what you need.
-ethan
I am looking for a pinout or datasheet for a chip labelled M51976FP. It
appears to be made by Mitsubishi, it's a SMPSU controller in a 20 pin
SOIC package.
I have the data on the M51977, which is similar (I think), but some pins
are clearly different.
Looking on datasheetarchiver and digchip didn't find anything. And a
google search (as ever) found plenty of people who sould sell me 100000
of them, but nothing else).
[It's uised in a PSU modile in an HP tape drive that I am working on, so
it does have som relevance to classic computers0.
Thanks in advance for any help
-tony
> [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Patrick Finnegan
> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 10:43 PM
> Subject: Re: Lot of PDP-11/84 on ebay in Boston
>
>
>
> I would expect no more than $5/lb (probably less) for that
> era of board
> or about $5 or less per board in scrap value. The rest of
> the chassis,
> maybe $5 in value without spending a lot in labor to separate
> the metals
> out.
In North West New Jersey scrap high density circuit boards are $0.70 per pound. Steel is about $200 per ton.
