I know nothing abt radio equip, but I have seen that a lot of members have
license numbers.
I got this offer today; not affiliated with seller, please contact him
directly if interested:
We have the following radio equipment:
100 APX 7000 series
30 APX 6000 series
300 Base stations
Charles Conner
Replugged, LLC
conner.replugged at gmail.com
Johns Creek, GA
Does anyone by change have either of the following walnut creek cdrom,
AB20 Amiga CD-ROM
Aminet CD-ROM disc, 6/93 , ( note this is not part of the aminet cds from
Urban D. Mueller)
a search of archive.org and the usual amiga places all turned up empty.
Regards
--
Jacob Dahl Pind | telefisk.org | fidonet 2:230/38.8
> Pete:
> Is the case in good shape? Specifically the brown piece around the CRT
> and tape drive? I know someone that might be in the market for a good
> cover.
> Paul.
Paul,
I picked up Pete's unit, and the case is in good shape. Others have also
asked for bits and pieces. But I also got an extra motherboard! I might now
have enough to repair the two machines. If I can revive it, I'd like to keep
it intact - I hate "killing" machines. If not I'll post here for the parts.
Might take me a while as I have many other projects going. I also promised
Pete I would repair his tape drive on his other working machine and convert
it to QIC format in consideration for letting me have his dead machine. So I
have a bit of work ahead of me now...
Marc
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 15:10:19 -0300
From: Paul Berger <phb.hfx at gmail.com>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Wanted: non-working HP-85 main board for ICs
Message-ID: <53E5128B.9090108 at gmail.com>
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On 2014-08-04 11:36 PM, Marc Verdiell wrote:
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
> On Behalf Of cctalk-request at classiccmp.org
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2014 3:51 PM
> Pete,
> That is certainly very close. I would be glad to pick up. I'll try to
reach
> you via e-mail.
> Marc
>
>
>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Marc Verdiell <marc.verdiell at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Asking here just in case. I need to find a replacement for a dead IC for
> my
>> HP-85A. The IO buffer controller IC to be exact. Anyone has a dead HP-85A
> or
>> just a motherboard that I could pick that IC from? I'd rather not "kill"
a
>> half working one. But I might have to. I am in Silicon Valley.
>> - Marc
>>
>>
> From: Pete Plank <nekonoko at mac.com>
> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2014 14:44:13 -0700
>
> I have a dead HP-85A that should be good for parts. I?m located in
> Pleasanton, not far from the Valley.
>
> Pete
>
Pete:
Is the case in good shape? Specifically the brown piece around the CRT
and tape drive? I know someone that might be in the market for a good
cover.
Paul.
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 13:26:55 -0500
From: VAXEN <doc at vaxen.net>
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: windows 95 floppy
Message-ID: <53E5166F.70208 at vaxen.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 8/5/14 3:03 AM, Derrick Meury wrote:
> eh i am still wanting to find the factory microsoft made 28 or 29 or
> 30 floppy immages of the os rather then do things in ways that is a
> pain in the ass for me to do i want to just do things easily copy
> floppy immages or plop in floppies change when needed done. the other
> thing is that i dont have any optical drives for this one and i have
> found that the price of the optical drive for this thing costs 45 to
> almost 200 depending on where u get one from otherwise i am stuck
> with the floppy drive
Sorry, I haven't really been following this thread.
I have that install set; I think I even know where it is. If the
disks are all still good, I could probably make DiskImage copies and put
them on a server somewhere.
Doc
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 13:54:45 -0500
From: Julian Wolfe <julian at twinax.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Notes-11 for PDP-11?
Message-ID:
<CAOFHNok2EOrcX0RzpXXsW0gmg=LZDXsABK=bzeAYr-PTWbWu8w at mail.gmail.com>
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Anyone have a copy of the Notes-11 client? It would be nice to have this
to access the conferences on HECnet.
Julian
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 18:19:55 -0500
From: Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com>
To: "chiclassiccomp at yahoogroups.com" <chiclassiccomp at yahoogroups.com>,
"General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: VCFMW: Call For Tables
Message-ID:
<CAEfH1SHA5xBoSSpnCPHUv-XvQWX1wmLVLbXSSur-kjm5rGdT+A at mail.gmail.com>
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There's a dual meaning in that subject header: I need to gather table
reservations for the show but I'm also putting out a request for
actual tables, too. Many of you may remember that last year (and
previous) Heron Point ran out of tables before we ran out of people
and stuff to put on them. If anyone has one or more folding tables
they don't mind lending to the show (you don't have to use it
yourself,) we'd much appreciate you bringing it/them along. Put some
masking tape with your name on it underneath to make sure you get the
right one(s) back. I'll be bringing one 5' folding "banquet" table
myself - this would be the ideal size but whatever you have will help.
This will allow us to pack the two rooms most efficiently and expand
comfortably out into the hallways. The more people and computers we
can welcome to the show the better it will be.
Extra network cables, power strips and extension cords will be handy as
well.
As for reservations, I have heard from a number of you but not all
that I usually see there. If you'd like table space, let me know your
requirements (in units of 2'x5' tables) and demo theme, if you'd like
that listed, ASAP. We're going to be tight this year (and that's a
good thing) so please give some thought to what you can fit into 1-2
tables worth of space, if possible.
Thanks all and I'll see some of you at the 8/30 meeting.
-j
------------------------------
Message: 11
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2014 21:43:33 -0400
From: Steven Landon <slandon110 at gmail.com>
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: FS:AmigaMini- Thin Client- The Dedicated Amiga Emulation
machine
Message-ID: <53E42B45.4020509 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
I started a project a a while back to come up with a nice way to run
Amiga Emulation. Came up with a prototype recently based on an HP t5735
Thin client that has enough power to run the emulation smoothly.
Finally got all the bugs worked out and I thought id sell some that I
built up. I call it the Amiga Mini
Specs are as follows
HP T5735 Thin Client
1GB RAM, 1GB ATA Flash Disk, Holds Windows Embedded
16GB flash disk, Holds UAE and all other relevant files
8GB USB Flash Drive that mounts in workbench for easy file transfer.
Over 1000 WHDLoad Games come preinstalled on the 16GB flash drive, Along
with 500 Demos.
AmigaForever is also included.
Comes with ClassicWB 3.1 UAE installed and the system boots into Amiga
Workbench 3.1, The cool part is it has Picasso emulation, so you get
32bit color at 1280x1024, Looks great. Boots right into Workbench 3.1
as soon as the system powers up. You can also configure UAE by just
hitting the F12 button.
Here is a youtube of the prototype
http://youtu.be/HPRHPqXSgRs
The internet is fully functional as well. So you can browse the web
with AWeb, Chat on AmIRC with it. Transfer files via FTP or share
files via SMB.
Im asking $120 shipped anywhere in the USA. Good for peeps who want to
see if they like the Amiga Platform, and its cheaper then finding a
tricked out expanded amiga. I have 5 available, If there is demand for
more I will build more of them.
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Message: 12
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 19:48:59 -0600
From: Eric Smith <spacewar at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: looking for end screw mounted card guides
Message-ID:
<CAFrGgTR6+SwOyoUbiAzGM3Td_ZbBHv73KNjeQFGhUJiKs7X7MA at mail.gmail.com>
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On 8/5/14 5:36 PM, Eric Smith wrote:
> I have an obscure mid-1970s machine, the Pacer, made by Product
> Support Engineering (not AMC). It uses nylon card guides that are 2.5
On 08/05/2014 5:43 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
> Nice find. was this the same PSE that made video games in Sunnyvale?
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:52 AM, John Robertson <pinball at telus.net> wrote:
> The company that made video games was Project Support Engineering, not
> Product Support...
So was the Pacer. My mistake.
Project Support Engineering
750 N. Mary
Sunnyvale CA 94086
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2014 22:49:21 -0700
From: "Mark J. Blair" <nf6x at nf6x.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Available: IBM desktop "System/23 Datamaster"
Message-ID: <16FAC45A-5FC9-4FF9-892D-E23650C4B3E0 at nf6x.net>
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On Aug 5, 2014, at 20:21 , steven stengel <tosteve at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Model 5322:
> Predates the "IBM PC" by 1 month
> Intel 8085
> Weight 95 lbs
> Two built-in 8-inch floppy drives
> BASIC in ROM
Do any of y'all know if documentation and/or software for this
interesting-looking beast exists out in the wild? Does it require a boot
disk to do things other than BASIC, like a PC would? I found this old TV
advertisement for it on the YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhskfSpGxMA
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 08:16:48 +0100
From: Jarratt RMA <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Unique DEC VAX System now available in Minneapolis, MN
Message-ID:
<CAArkeujvvj67DyM2QKzf3S4AwiZeZc1fHEyULfURpdajtuet-A at mail.gmail.com>
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If anyone gets this and doesn't want one of the KFQSA boards, let me know.
Regards
Rob
On 5 August 2014 16:11, <vmssys at hushmail.com> wrote:
>
> http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/sys/4595287377.html
> A complete, clean, and working DEC VAX data center is available for
> pick-up in Minneapolis, Minnesota. It is scheduled to go to recycling
> in a week. Act fast if you are interested.
> THIS SYSTEM DESERVES TO BE RESCUED. NO REASONABLE OFFER WILL BE TURNED
> DOWN.
> It includes two VAXen (a VAX 4300 and 4400) actually comes in two
> BA440 cabinets, clustered with a BA356 6-disk RAID array. The Vaxen
> have a full complement of memory, disk drives, cards in the Q-Bus
> chassis, and cables and terminators to connect to everything -
> including the networking hardware to connect your VAXen to your
> wireless network.
>
> Included is a stand-alone CD-ROM drive, and stand-alone 4mm DAT, DLT,
> and 1/2" 9-track tape drives and related cables, media and
> accessories.
>
> Included is a floor standing Printronix 6280L high-speed Line
> Printer, PFE 1190 & 1172 burster and decollator for processing its
> printouts, and related media and accessories.
>
> Of course, what this VAX would be complete without the operator
> terminal quietly resting atop the cabinets? Included is the DEC VT520
> serial terminal, and a LA75 companion printer for printing from the
> terminal. Four 525 terminals are also included.
>
> I've included the OpenVMS 7.3 hobbyist CD, and a complete set of
> OpenVMS 7.2 product and documentation CDs for you to load under the
> OpenVMS Hobbyist license available free online. The VAXen can also
> support OpenBSD or NetBSD Unix, with some configuration work on your
> part.
>
> There are numerous spares and extras. This lot includes: System and
> Programming books, lots of spares and QBUS boards, VAX and PDP-11
> Programming cards, and even a complete set of PDP-11 system QBUS board
> set for the technically adventurous! (See the "Detailed Description"
> below)
>
> These machines are fun - I hate to sell them. But look, if you're
> serious about computers, or if you're a collector, it's time to get a
> VAX data center!
>
> LOCAL PICK-UP ONLY. This lot is large and heavy.. A truck with a
> lift gate will be required.
> Sold as a COMPLETE lot on an AS-IS basis, and cannot accept offers to
> part it out.
>
>
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------
>
> Detailed Description of what is included:
>
> QTY PART ID DESCRIPTION
>
> DEC VAX 4000 SYSTEMS
> 1 VAX 4300 Base System - KA670, BA440 - with MS690 compatible
> backplane
>
> The VAX 4000 Model 300, code-named "Pele", KA670-AA CPU module
> containing a 35.71
> MHz (28 ns cycle time) Rigel chip set with a 128 KB external
> secondary cache protected by
> ECC built from 84 ns SRAM. It supports one to four MS670-B (32
> MB) or MS670-C (64 MB)
> memory modules for 32 to 256 MB of memory
>
> 1 VAX 4400 Base System - KA675, BA440
>
> The VAX 4000 Model 400, code-named "Omega", uses the KA675 CPU
> module containing a
> 63 MHz (16 ns) NVAX microprocessor with 128 KB of external
> tertiary cache. It supports one
> to four MS-690 memory modules for 16 to 512 MB of memory
>
> DEC MEMORY MS6XX MODULES
> 2 MS670-C L4001-C, 64MB for VAX 4300
> 1 MS670-B L4001-B Compatible (DATARAM) 32MB for VAX 4300
> 5 MS690-C L4004-C, 64MB for VAX 4400 and above
>
> DEC DSSI DISK DRIVES (DSSI is the VAX's Proprietary SCSI-like
> Interface)
> 2 RF72 Internal 1GB DSSI Drives
> 4 RF73 Internal DSSI 2GB Drives (1 with a disk error)
> 1 RF74 Internal DSSI 3.6GB Drive
>
> DEC DSSI CONTROLLER MODULES
> 2 KFQSA QBUS DSSI Host Adapters
> 2 KFQSA Kit KFQSA BA440/SBOX Distribution panels for connecting DSSI
> cables
>
> DEC DSSI CABLES & TERMINATORS
> 2 BC21M-09 DSSI Cables, 9' For R215 Box, 17-02152-03
> 5 BC29S-06 DSSI Cables, 6', 17-0385501, new unused
> 9 12-29258-01 DSSI Terminators/Fuses
>
> DEC RAID STORAGE ARRAY
> 1 HDS10 DSSI to FSE SCSI-2 RAID Array Controller
> 1 BA-356-KA SCSI-2 SABB BOX, UW
> 6 RZ1CF-VW 4.3GB UW DRIVES (Array Disks)
> 2 BC29R-09 DSSI Cables, 9', to connect VAX 4000 Cluster to Array
> Controller
>
> DEC SCSI TAPE & CD-ROM DRIVES
> 2 TK70 Internal DLT II Tape Drives (not recently used-working
> condition unknown)
> 1 TSZ07-DA External 1/2" Tape PE/GCR 9 Track 100IPS with Enclosure
> 1 TSZ07 As Above w/o Enclosure (Requires skew calibration to
> function)
> 1 TLZ06-DA External 4GM, 4mm DAT
> 1 RRD42-DA ExternalCD ROM, 600MB
>
> DEC SCSI CONTROLLER MODULES
> 1 TQK70 M7559 Q-Bus TK70 Controller
> 1 17-01363-01 TK70 Round Cable
> 3 KZSQA DEC SCSI Controller for BA440/SBOX
>
> DEC SCSI CABLES
> 2 BCP06P-02 2' SCSI I Angle-Angle Cable
> 1 BCP06P-06 6' SCSI I Angle-Angle Cable
> 2 BCP06P-09 9' SCSI I Angle-Angle Cable
> 8 H8574-A SE SCSI Terminators
> 2 BELKIN BELKIN SE SCSI Terminators
>
> PERTEC 1/2"TAPE DRIVES
> 2 1260 Qualstar 1260 Tabletop 1/2" 9-Track Tape Drive PE/GCR
> 1 OD3201 Overland Data Tabletop 1/2" 9-Track Tape Drive PE
>
> 1/2"TAPE CONTROLLERS
> 1 TSV05-AA DEC Pertec Tape Controller PE,BA440/SBOX compatible
> 1 KLESI-SA DEC TU81-Plus Controller, TMSCP, 1 Drive
> 1 DQ3153 DILOG Pertec Interface, TMSCP, 4 drives, BA440/SBOX
>
> MEDIA& CONSUMMABLES
> 32 Media DLT Tape Cartridges (used - need to be deguassed
> before use)
> 53 Media 1/2" 9-track Reel Tapes - 15 2400' (new), 22 2400'
> (used), 16 800' (used)
> 3 Media 4mm DAT Tapes, 90m (new)
> 1 Bottle Tape Head Cleaner (Alcohol) to clean tape drive
> read/write heads
>
> TAPE DEGAUSSING ASSESSORY
> 1 TD-1B Audiolab TD-1B Tape Degausser for erasing, and
> conditioning tapes
>
> DEC TERMINALS
> 1 VT520-A4 Console Terminal, White, Multisession (Screen burn)
> 1 LK411-AA OpenVMS Keyboard US/English for VT520
> 4 VT525 Multisession Terminal Boxes, SVGA & PS2 Keyboard
> connections
>
> DEC & PRINTRONIX PRINTERS
> 1 LA75 Companion Printer,9-pin, DEC ANSI, IBM Proprinter
> emulation
> 1 P6280L Printronix 6280- FLOOR CABINET 800LPM MATRIX LINE
> PRINTER,
> QMS MAGNUM 4000 GRAPHICS CONTROLLER (includes
> manuals)
>
> PRINT ACCESSORIES
> 1 EPS1 External Lantronix EPS1 PRINT SERVER to Network P628OL
> 1 PFE 1190 Continuous Feed Burster, 300 sheets or forms/Minute
> 1 PFE 1172 Tabletop Decollator separates 2-part forms prior
> to bursting
>
> PRINTER MEDIA
> 5 LA75 Ink LA75 Printer Ribbon Cartridges (new)
> 1 P6280 Ink Printronix Ribbon Cartridge (new)
> 2 Boxes 8.5 x 11 Continuous Feed Sheets
>
> DEC COMMUNICATIONS MODULES
> 1 CXY08 M3119-YA, 8-line Async Mux
> 1 DELQA M7516-PA, QBUS Ethernet
> 1 DELQAKit DELQA BA440/SBOX Distribution Panel for Ethernet
> connection
>
> COMMUNICATIONS CABLES & ACCESSORIES
> 2 BC19N-12 DEC CXY08 cables, 12', 4 RS232 each, Modem
> 4 BC16E-10 DEC MMJ Terminal Cables, 10'
> 2 10BASE-T St. Clair & Cabletron 10BASE-T Transceivers
> 1 HS5T Hawking 5-port 10/100 Ethernet Switch
> 1 HWBA54G Hawking Wireless Access Point 802.11g 10/100
>
> DEC MISCELLANEOUS COMPONENTS
> 1 KA681 SPARE VAX 4500A CPU Board w. Cache Memory error - Possibly
> Repairable
> 1 RF73 ISA, Internal 2GB Drives with a disk error - Possibly
> Repairable
> 1 36-33152-08 SPARE BA440 Fan Assembly (1 fan of 2 bad)
> 11 70-23981-01 PLC Blank Filler Brackets
> 6 70-27049-02 Filler Plates, DSSI Covers
> 5 70-27049-01 RF-ISA Bezel/Drive Control Panels
> 1 70-27050-02 TK70 Bezel Assembly
> 1 H3604 SPARE Console Bulkhead Assembly (broken hinge)
> 1 RZ35 DEC Internal 852MB 50-pin
> 3 unknown DEC RF7x Sled Mounts
> 1 TC13 EMULEX Unibus Tape Controller
>
> MANUALS & BOOKS
> 1 set OpenVMS Documentation for v7.2 on CDROM
> 1 Printronix Printer Operations Manual
> 1 QMS Magnum 4000 Graphics (for Printronix) Manual
> 2 PDP-11 Programming Cards
> 1 PDP-11 Peripherals Handbook
> 1 ISBN:1-55558-279-6 Getting Started with OpenVMS
> 1 ISBN:1-55558-267-2 Linux & OpenVMS Interoperability
> 1 ISBN:1-55558-276-1 Unix for OpenVMS Users
> 1 ISBN:0-13-942152-1 VAX Assembly Language
> 1 AV-D827C-TE VAX-11 Programming Card
> 1 112-00871-2287 PDP-11 Processor handbook
> 1 ISBN:0-442-25428-8 FORTRAN 77
> 1 ISBN:0-201-13799-2 Programming in Ada
> 1 ISBN:0-387-90887-0 Reference Manual for the ADA Programming
> Language
> 1 ISBN:0-387-90628-2 Studies in Ada Style
> 1 ISBN:0-387-91136-7 A Practical Introduction to Pascal
> 1 ISBN:0-387-90144-2 Pascal User Manual and Report
> 1 ISBN:1-56884-780-7 CGI Programming with Perl 5
> 1 ISBN:1-55828-212-2 Using X
> 1 ISBN:91-7372-490-4 LISP-details INTERLISP
>
> OPENVMS SYSTEM SOFTWARE & APPLICATIONS
> 1 OPenVMS Hobbyist Kit OpenVMS 7.3 and Selected Applications
> (see: http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/)
> 1 OpenVMS CDs OpenVMS June 2000 Software Library CDs (All DEC
> applications)
> 1 OpenVMS CDs Downloaded Applications
> Available Freeware Download at
> http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=OpenSource
>
> NOTE: To use the above software, buyer needs to get free licenses at
>
> http://plato.ccsscorp.com/hobbyist_registration.php3
>
> UNIX SYSTEM SOFTWARE & APPLICATIONS
> Available NETBSD http://www.netbsd.org/ports/vax/index.html
> Available OPENBSD http://openbsd.com/vax.html
>
> *INCLUDED FOR THE VERY VERY TECHNICALLY ADVENTUROUS*
> http://fixunix.com/dec/98110-pdp-11-ba440-box-print.html
>
> PDP-11 Board, MEMORY & Cabinet Kits
> Available BSD V2.11 http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/index.html
> 1 M8190-AB DEC KDJ11-B QBUS22 15Mhz PDP-11 CPU unusable socket for
> FPJ11
> 2 MSV11-JE DEC M8637, QBUS22, PDP-11 2MB ECC PMI RAM (Total of 4MB)
> 1 KFQSA QBUS DSSI Host Adapter emulating a QDA/UDA50 to RFx Drives
> 1 DQ142 DILOG Pertec tape Interface, TS11, 4 drives, QBUS
> 1 70-21150-02 DEC BA23 Cabinet Distribution Panel
> 1 70-22892-01 DEC PDP-11/84 Console Cab Kit
>
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 17:49:32 +1000
From: Nigel Williams <nw at retrocomputingtasmania.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Available: IBM desktop "System/23 Datamaster"
Message-ID:
<CACCFpdwd36BLYi9r3fHVCxyrTKj1XvRp3owFLKsg4sfXEbyCaQ at mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:21 PM, steven stengel <tosteve at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Model 5322:
>
> Predates the "IBM PC" by 1 month
>
> Intel 8085
Has it ever been conclusively proven this was based on an 8085, that
is the modernised Intel 8-bit 8080?
I'm a little surprised that with the Displaywriter based on an 8086
and the IBM PC on the 8088, why an 8085? did IBM use 8-bit
microprocessors in any other contemporary desktop-level products?
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 11:06:31 +0200
From: Tommie Mademark <tommie at fox.se>
To: "'cctalk at classiccmp.org'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Data General Nova 3/12 and 6026 Tape Drive on craigslist
Message-ID: <BC1519AA1E9B5D4BBA482DEFE9BBAE7601A3B3923A at mail.fox.se>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Data General Nova 3/12 and 6026 Tape Drive in Tucson, AZ on Craigslist
https://tucson.craigslist.org/sys/4591315871.html
/Tommie
My Data General stuff: http://www.datageneral.org/
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 09:39:12 -0400
From: Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Available: IBM desktop "System/23 Datamaster"
Message-ID: <20140808133912.63C60A58054 at yagi.h-net.msu.edu>
> Do any of y'all know if documentation and/or software for this
> interesting-looking beast exists out in the wild? Does it require a
> boot disk to do things other than BASIC, like a PC would?
These were small business DP systems. Hardware-wise, the line included
a desktop model, a deskside model, a shared hard-disk unit, several
printers, a network option in the megabit range that utilized thick
twinax cable and (iirc) a star topology, a serial communications (for a
modem) option, and likely other things. Screens were high persistence
green phosphor, with at least two intensities for text. I don't
remember point addressable graphics. Keyboards were IBM-style buckling
spring; as I recall the layout was slightly unique. Floppies were 8",
fairly capacious, reasonably quick, quite reliable. Printers were big,
fast, dot matrix, top mounted tractor feed. I think at least one model
included a multi-pass NLQ mode. Draft mode was IBM-esque, with dotted
zeros and an odd diagonal 'S' character. Construction is pure IBM, with
reliability and serviceability in spades.
I haven't seen electronic stuff online. I have paper docs for a couple
of models and some of the options, as well as not-yet-imaged floppies
containing diagnostics. I do intend to get them scanned/imaged
eventually, I swear. Strong need and urgent pleas for specific things
may add motivation. :)
No boot disk is required. A fair amount of the available software was
actually written in BASIC. At least a few utilities were compiled or
assembled binaries, but as far as I recall, even those were not booted
>from floppy.
The BASIC is an extremely capable business type, with forms, file/disk
handling, ISAM type functionality, etc. It was even possible to do
serial communications over a modem with it reasonably well, other than
some limitations in keyboard handling. I'm not sure if adding the
network and remote disk added code on adapter cards to support those
things, or if the support was in the base unit firmware.
IBM offered the usual AR/AP/GL/Inventory/etc packages. I'm sure there
was a word processing tool, though I can't seem to remember anything
about it. There was an application generator tool called BRADS
(business rapid application development system or thereabouts, I think).
The "rapid" part was ironic; while it was certainly faster to build some
sorts of simple applications with it than to write them from scratch,
BRADS itself was pretty slow. I'm sure IBM had other offerings. I
think I also recall seeing a directory of third-party applications,
though for the life of me I don't recall anything about what was on
offer. I don't believe there was a customer option to write code in
anything other than BASIC.
The weight of 90 lbs for the desktop unit is not a joke. Besides being
built like an IBM product, those 8" floppy drives are stout, and
constitute a significant chunk of the mass.
I've not dug far enough into my desktop unit to read the markings on the
CPU chip, but a few bits like register layout shown in the maintenance
documentation match the 8085. I'm pretty sure these systems use a paged
memory layout, at least for the firmware. It's the only way they could
provide all the functionality that's in there.
De
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 09:15:12 -0500
From: Julian Wolfe <julian at twinax.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Vtserver, pdp11/34, and saving images
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Hi Don,
What else have you tested at 115K baud? I'm looking to do the mod myself,
and am curious about the drawbacks.
Julian
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Don North <ak6dn at mindspring.com> wrote:
> On 8/7/2014 9:00 AM, Henk wrote:
>
>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 5:45 PM, Roe Peterson <roeapeterson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Has anyone ever used vtserver to copy a physical pdp11 disk to an image
>>> file?
>>> I know it is usually used in the other direction, copying an image to a
>>> real disk.
>>>
>>> A local pdp11/34 has popped up, and there are several RK05 packs
>>> I desperately want images of.
>>>
>>> Also, I seem to remember some discussion of a version that could auto
>>> boot
>>> with the 11/34 console emulator, instead of ODT...
>>>
>>> As always, thanks for any info.
>>>
>>
>> Maybe I misunderstand the question, but if you have a spare DL11-W
>> that you can put in the /34, configure it at 176500 / 300 (IIRC).
>> Then the /34 thinks there is a TU58. Get Don North's TU58EM.
>> You can boot the /34 from the virtual "TU58" *and* then dump
>> (piece by piece) the RK05 to the second attached virtual TU58 tape.
>> It's not fast, but it works.
>>
>
> Hey Henk long time ...
>
> At 9600b (max standard rate of a DL11-W) it is not fast. However, a DL11-W
> can
> be modded to support 115.2Kb fairly easily (new UART, remove one chip in
> baud
> divider and replace with a wire, and a new crystal oscillator). I have
> done this for
> my 11/34 and I can now boot XXDP in about 15 seconds (vs 3 min at 9600b).
>
> There is at least one bootable RT-11 TU58 image floating around that has
> had
> the tweak to support 32MB (ie, 16 bit block number) image size, so using
> this
> image you could copy a real RL02 to a TU58 RL02 sized image directly. At
> 115Kb
> my math tells me it would take something like 15-20min to transfer a 10MB
> image.
> An RK05 image (1.5MB IIRC) would be something like 3min.
>
> Another option, if you have that hardware, is the RX01EMUL board,
>> with an M105 and M7821. That connects to a PC parallel port and
>> mimics an RX01 floppy drive.
>> I have never tried to boot a PDP-11 via RX01EMUL though.
>> I *did* boot an 11/34 using TU58EM from a Toshiba "laptop"
>> (VHS cassette sized mini PC). Was kinda fun to see a big computer
>> boot from such a tiny PC. Nowadays you could use a Raspberry, etc.
>>
>>
> There is a guy who has ported TU58 emulator code to Arduino, uses SD card
> for storage: http://www.torok.info/computing/pdp11/tu58/index.htm
>
> - Henk
>>
>>
>
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2014 10:27:02 -0400
From: Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Vtserver, pdp11/34, and saving images
Message-ID: <20140808142702.B8DD9A58054 at yagi.h-net.msu.edu>
> At 9600b (max standard rate of a DL11-W) it is not fast. However, a
> DL11-W can be modded to support 115.2Kb fairly easily (new UART, remove
> one chip in baud divider and replace with a wire, and a new crystal
> oscillator). I have done this for my 11/34 and I can now boot XXDP in
> about 15 seconds (vs 3 min at 9600b).
Don,
I'm curious about the details here. Can the /34 actually keep up doing
PIO at this rate? Or are you using DMA somehow? Is this vtserver or
one of the TU58 things or something else? 115.2k isn't one of the
results of the retrocmp.com mod; is yours described anywhere?
Who? What? Where? *flashbulbs* *pack of paparazzi* :)
De
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 07:54:05 -0700
From: Dave <dfnr2 at yahoo.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: PDP-8F Engineering Drawings
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Thanks very much for posting this.
Dave
On Thursday, August 7, 2014 8:42 PM, Jack Rubin <j at ckrubin.us> wrote:
>
>
>Available here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/j9lx9otstc0asyi/PDP-8F_Engineering_Drawings_May76.
pdf?n=167736590
>
>Please post and/or distribute as desired.
>Jack
>
>
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 08:41:54 -0700
From: "Mark J. Blair" <nf6x at nf6x.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Trade TRS-80 Model 12 for PC/AT?
Message-ID: <A88D72A9-B9C8-4525-87F4-22BCE1A2C692 at nf6x.net>
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I've recently developed an interest in adding an original IBM PC/AT (5170)
to my collection, with an EGA display (5154 monitor) and the early AT
keyboard with the push-to-turn foot knobs on the sides. It seems that those
aren't cheap lately on the eBay.
I also have a TRS-80 Model 12 that's been made a bit redundant by my Tandy
6000 project and the TRS-80 Model II that I have on the way. I've overhauled
the keyboard with new foam pads, replaced the Rifa caps after one of them
got a bit over-excited, fixed a shorted cap on one of the floppy drives, and
other such stuff to make it work. It doesn't have the card cage option.
Do y'all suppose that my Model 12 might be a fair trade for an original
PC/AT system, if anybody was so inclined to make the trade? And if so, might
there be anybody around southern California who would be interested in
meeting up to make such a swap without the need to pack and ship either of
the heavy, fragile beasts?
--
Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net>
http://www.nf6x.net/
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 15:02:09 -0400
From: Paul Koning <paulkoning at comcast.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Notes-11 for PDP-11?
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I?m pretty sure I had one while in the RSTS/E development group, but I don?t
know that it ever was released outside DEC.
paul
On Aug 8, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Julian Wolfe <julian at twinax.org> wrote:
> Anyone have a copy of the Notes-11 client? It would be nice to have this
> to access the conferences on HECnet.
>
> Julian
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 13:11:41 -0600
From: Roe Peterson <roeapeterson at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Vtserver, pdp11/34, and saving images
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On Aug 8, 2014, at 8:27 AM, Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu> wrote:
>> At 9600b (max standard rate of a DL11-W) it is not fast. However, a
>> DL11-W can be modded to support 115.2Kb fairly easily (new UART, remove
>> one chip in baud divider and replace with a wire, and a new crystal
>> oscillator). I have done this for my 11/34 and I can now boot XXDP in
>> about 15 seconds (vs 3 min at 9600b).
>
> Don,
>
> I'm curious about the details here. Can the /34 actually keep up doing
> PIO at this rate? Or are you using DMA somehow?
No chance whatever of DMA, the DL11 doesn't support it. However,
single-task PIO mode would only have to shuffle bytes at 11,000 per second,
probably doable.
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 12:16:01 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
From: Don North <ak6dn at mindspring.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>, "General Discussion: On-Topic and
Off-Topic
Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Vtserver, pdp11/34, and saving images
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-----Original Message-----
>From: Dennis Boone <drb at msu.edu>
>Sent: Aug 8, 2014 7:27 AM
>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>Subject: Re: Vtserver, pdp11/34, and saving images
>
> > At 9600b (max standard rate of a DL11-W) it is not fast. However, a
> > DL11-W can be modded to support 115.2Kb fairly easily (new UART, remove
> > one chip in baud divider and replace with a wire, and a new crystal
> > oscillator). I have done this for my 11/34 and I can now boot XXDP in
> > about 15 seconds (vs 3 min at 9600b).
>
>Don,
>
>I'm curious about the details here. Can the /34 actually keep up doing
>PIO at this rate? Or are you using DMA somehow? Is this vtserver or
>one of the TU58 things or something else? 115.2k isn't one of the
>results of the retrocmp.com mod; is yours described anywhere?
I am using a standard DL11-W for the TU-58 serial interface, but
modified it to support a 115.2kb data rate. This means that for
each incoming character the 11/34 has about 90usec or so to process
it. More than enough time to read it from the DL11-W, store it in memory,
manipulate some counters, etc.
The XXDP TU58 driver can handle this, as it is not interrupt driven,
it is polled. I haven't tried the RT-11 TU-58 driver at this rate, but it
may have issues as I believe it is interrupt driven. It would be an
interesting experiment.
On the host side I am using my TU58EM program on a PC. It can easily
handle the 115.2kb serial data rate.
This is a standard 11/34A with MS11-L MOS memory array, no cache option.
I have been using this configuration for a few weeks now and have seen
no issues at all in loading and running XXDP diagnostics from this
emulated TU58 device.
My mod is not specifically described, but there is at least one web page
out there that describes modding the DL11-W for higher baud rates. That
page described the crystal and divider changes, but did not go as far
as changing the UART to a newer version capable of 115.2Kb.
Don
End of cctech Digest, Vol 132, Issue 20
***************************************
Does anyone by change have either of the following walnut creek cdrom,
AB20 Amiga CD-ROM
Aminet CD-ROM disc, 6/93 , ( note this is not part of the aminet cds from
Urban D. Mueller)
a search of archive.org and the usual amiga places all turned up empty.
Regards
--
Jacob Dahl Pind | telefisk.org | fidonet 2:230/38.8
List:
Just passing this along to any who might be interested. Shaun Halstead
is interested in cleaning this out:
StorageTek STK-2920 9-track, 6250bpi drives. We have 5 of these, at
least one, possibly two, have 100ips boards installed. One may have a
SCSI interface, the rest are STK interfaces.
ExaByte EXB-8700 8mm, SCSI, worked when last used (2 years ago).
Tandeberg Data 1200MB QIC drives, SCSI. We have two or three of these,
all worked when last used (>5 years ago).
Xerox-branded 9-track tape drives. 6250bpi. These are marked Laser
Magnetic Storage International, BY36KL. I believe they are LMSI/CDC
model 92181, Vertical mount streaming tape unit (per the maint. manual
found at bitsavers.) I have at least 2, maybe 3 of these. One can't read
it's own writing. Not sure what the interface is, beyond 2-cable. Could
be pertec, could be STK, could be Xerox-custom.
3480 tape drives. One worked when last used, one is parts-only. Also,
one of these had a SCSI interface, the other is STK.
At least one, possibly more, Aviv Unibus tape interface boards. As I
understand it, these boards required a backplane modification in the
11/34's to operate correctly. I have 3 PDP's with these boards currently
installed, and at least one NOS on the shelf.
Other, assorted gear: Bus & Tag cables and interface cards (ISA and
PCI), with appropriate PC hardware and software for print serving.
PDP11/34 with floppy/Winchester (8" floppy, unknown HDD), last ran >5
years ago. SMS-1000 w/ HDD, last run >5 years ago, needs software.
Tapes. Lots of tapes. 9T 2400', 1200', 600'. Some QIC tapes in various
capacities, a few 8mm. Never stored in garage/shed/attic.
I have no idea of value, usefulness, or current operational condition of
anything except the Cipher drive (dead). I can take pics of any/all if
desired. Shipping or pickup would be from Wichita, Ks.
Shaun Halstead
Microfilm Services, Inc.
Wichita, Ks
(316) 269-2203
From: Steven Landon <slandon110 at gmail.com>
> blah blah blah
Return the money for a transaction you won't complete: Shit happens and
people move on.
Don't return the money for a transaction you won't complete: You're a thief.
It's not like you didn't know shipping hundreds of pounds of stuff costs
money. Are we missing anything subtle here?
There's a dual meaning in that subject header: I need to gather table
reservations for the show but I'm also putting out a request for
actual tables, too. Many of you may remember that last year (and
previous) Heron Point ran out of tables before we ran out of people
and stuff to put on them. If anyone has one or more folding tables
they don't mind lending to the show (you don't have to use it
yourself,) we'd much appreciate you bringing it/them along. Put some
masking tape with your name on it underneath to make sure you get the
right one(s) back. I'll be bringing one 5' folding "banquet" table
myself - this would be the ideal size but whatever you have will help.
This will allow us to pack the two rooms most efficiently and expand
comfortably out into the hallways. The more people and computers we
can welcome to the show the better it will be.
Extra network cables, power strips and extension cords will be handy as well.
As for reservations, I have heard from a number of you but not all
that I usually see there. If you'd like table space, let me know your
requirements (in units of 2'x5' tables) and demo theme, if you'd like
that listed, ASAP. We're going to be tight this year (and that's a
good thing) so please give some thought to what you can fit into 1-2
tables worth of space, if possible.
Thanks all and I'll see some of you at the 8/30 meeting.
-j
Nothing besides running XXDP via TU58EM over this higher speed link. That's
all I really use the TU58 for anyway, running XXDP diagnostics.
It would be interesting to test running RT-11 over this emulated high speed
TU58 link. It has a different s/w driver architecture so it may (or may not) work ok.
In any event if the mod is done to the DL11-W you can back off to 57.6kb or
28.8Kb by changing the DIP switches. Those would probably work and are better
than 9600b.
Don
-----Original Message-----
>From: Julian Wolfe <julian at twinax.org>
>Sent: Aug 8, 2014 7:15 AM
>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>Subject: Re: Vtserver, pdp11/34, and saving images
>
>Hi Don,
>
>What else have you tested at 115K baud? I'm looking to do the mod myself,
>and am curious about the drawbacks.
>
>Julian
>
>
>On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Don North <ak6dn at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/7/2014 9:00 AM, Henk wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2014, at 5:45 PM, Roe Peterson <roeapeterson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone ever used vtserver to copy a physical pdp11 disk to an image
>>>> file?
>>>> I know it is usually used in the other direction, copying an image to a
>>>> real disk.
>>>>
>>>> A local pdp11/34 has popped up, and there are several RK05 packs
>>>> I desperately want images of.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I seem to remember some discussion of a version that could auto
>>>> boot
>>>> with the 11/34 console emulator, instead of ODT...
>>>>
>>>> As always, thanks for any info.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe I misunderstand the question, but if you have a spare DL11-W
>>> that you can put in the /34, configure it at 176500 / 300 (IIRC).
>>> Then the /34 thinks there is a TU58. Get Don North's TU58EM.
>>> You can boot the /34 from the virtual "TU58" *and* then dump
>>> (piece by piece) the RK05 to the second attached virtual TU58 tape.
>>> It's not fast, but it works.
>>>
>>
>> Hey Henk long time ...
>>
>> At 9600b (max standard rate of a DL11-W) it is not fast. However, a DL11-W
>> can
>> be modded to support 115.2Kb fairly easily (new UART, remove one chip in
>> baud
>> divider and replace with a wire, and a new crystal oscillator). I have
>> done this for
>> my 11/34 and I can now boot XXDP in about 15 seconds (vs 3 min at 9600b).
>>
>> There is at least one bootable RT-11 TU58 image floating around that has
>> had
>> the tweak to support 32MB (ie, 16 bit block number) image size, so using
>> this
>> image you could copy a real RL02 to a TU58 RL02 sized image directly. At
>> 115Kb
>> my math tells me it would take something like 15-20min to transfer a 10MB
>> image.
>> An RK05 image (1.5MB IIRC) would be something like 3min.
>>
>> Another option, if you have that hardware, is the RX01EMUL board,
>>> with an M105 and M7821. That connects to a PC parallel port and
>>> mimics an RX01 floppy drive.
>>> I have never tried to boot a PDP-11 via RX01EMUL though.
>>> I *did* boot an 11/34 using TU58EM from a Toshiba "laptop"
>>> (VHS cassette sized mini PC). Was kinda fun to see a big computer
>>> boot from such a tiny PC. Nowadays you could use a Raspberry, etc.
>>>
>>>
>> There is a guy who has ported TU58 emulator code to Arduino, uses SD card
>> for storage: http://www.torok.info/computing/pdp11/tu58/index.htm
>>
>> - Henk
>>>
>>>
>>
I'm pretty sure had one on RSX. Don't remember what it was written in,
but I wouldn't be suprised if a RSTS/E one existed too.
Dave.
On 2014-08-09 13:00, cctech-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2014 11:59:22 -0700
> From: Zane Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Notes-11 for PDP-11?
> Message-ID: <ADAB1ACB-94C9-4190-A48D-4B4957FA4BF1 at aracnet.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Aug 8, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Julian Wolfe <julian at twinax.org> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have a copy of the Notes-11 client? It would be nice to have this to access the conferences on HECnet. Julian
>
> I don't remember ever hearing of a PDP-11 client for NOTES. What OS did it run on?
>
> Zane
