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by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Fred Cisin > If somebody were to try to make a "complete" list, it would make sense > to provide variable levels of anonymity > ... > Prob'ly some people would be more willing to discuss what they have IFF > they aren't opening themselves to theft risk, and/or a deluge of "I'd > like to buy". Let me second that. Particularly as the value of these things goes up, security will be a real issue for people. As I like to say, the _good_ thing about the Internet is that it brings the world to your doorstep; and the _bad_ thing about the Internet is that it brings the world to your doorstep... Noel

11 years, 1 month

PDP-8/S

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

Well... we will accept anonymous entries for the list that will be public but the submitter will have to send us a nice photo of the unit with s/n tag etc and their smiling face next to it for the non published files! <<grin!>> I think the only people this month that have to worry about theft are those with Apple I systems after this months news story on values.. Ed# In a message dated 6/13/2015 12:24:11 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, scaron at umich.edu writes: I dunno, guys, that might be a little paranoid ... a lot of this stuff is big and heavy ... I just can't imagine a thief coming in and carting away PDP-11s, VAX-11s, RP/RL/TU drives, IBM mainframes, whole racks and the like ... I can hardly move some of this stuff I have as one guy and it is certainly a loud, time-consuming, sweaty process ... not to mention, how would anyone go about fencing something like that? I don't think the local pawn shop will want it ... imagine a giant illicit market for stolen computers, like for stolen artwork? LOL. I'm not so sure. If someone wants to keep their QTH anonymous that's cool and totally your business but I suspect most intruders really couldn't care less about old computers... but who knows. Maybe all this stuff will turn out to be the Old Masters of the digital age and we'll all be rich! :O Best, Sean On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> wrote: > > From: Fred Cisin > > > If somebody were to try to make a "complete" list, it would make > sense > > to provide variable levels of anonymity > > ... > > Prob'ly some people would be more willing to discuss what they have > IFF > > they aren't opening themselves to theft risk, and/or a deluge of "I'd > > like to buy". > > Let me second that. Particularly as the value of these things goes up, > security will be a real issue for people. > > As I like to say, the _good_ thing about the Internet is that it brings the > world to your doorstep; and the _bad_ thing about the Internet is that it > brings the world to your doorstep... > > Noel >

11 years, 1 month

PDP-8/S

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

good point Simon! Ed# In a message dated 6/13/2015 2:57:09 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, simski at dds.nl writes: Well, its the same with enigma's. all remaining machines are registered with their serialnumbers, So selling after stealing becomes very difficult. that is why a database with serialnumbers connected to people is crucial. On 13-06-15 09:55, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote: > I think the only people this month that have to worry about theft are > those with Apple I systems after this months news story on values.. > > Ed# -- Met vriendelijke Groet, Simon Claessen drukknop.nl

11 years, 1 month

PDP-8/S

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

That is a beauty! You moved all that gear from UK to USA? In a message dated 6/12/2015 2:26:10 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, tmfdmike at gmail.com writes: I have one, restored, was running when stored but not powered up in some considerable time. Serial number unknown; IIRC correctly the tag with the serial number was missing so may remain unknown. Obtained from a collector called Erik in... Netherlands I think, circa 2004... who got it from John Bradatanu... IIRC I traded a TU56, a pdp-8/L, and some other bits, for the 8/S and a working VT05.. see pic on this page: http://www.corestore.org/coremove.htm Pics on that page are interesting, as it's the only time around 90% of the DEC portion of the Corestore collection has all been lined up and visible in the same place at the same time! Oh 8/m has been discussed in front panel talk... here's a nice pic of mine: http://www.corestore.org/pdp8m-1.jpg Mike On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: >>> I know of 17 PDP-8/S systems, including four at the RICM. >> >> Not everyone wants their collections to be public information but: > > > If somebody were to try to make a "complete" list, it would make sense to > provide variable levels of anonymity, such as name but not contact info, > state but no name, email but no other contact, etc. If designed well, that > could be managed by a full information form in which it is easy, and > acknowledged to be acceptable, to fill in only items that are intended to be > public. > > Prob'ly some people would be more willing to discuss what they have IFF they > aren't opening themselves to theft risk, and/or a deluge of "I'd like to > buy". > > NOTE: I do not currently have ANY PDP stuff, so I am only speculating about > what others would like. > > > -- > Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com -- http://www.corestore.org 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother. Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame. For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'

11 years, 1 month

PDP-8/S

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

Rich. did you want physical address listed too? also need both s/n's corrected url at _www.smecc.org/pdp-8.htm_ (http://www.smecc.org/pdp-8.htm) That address has not been current since 2010 or so. Please use http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org instead. Thanks! Rich Rich Alderson Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer Living Computer Museum 2245 1st Avenue S Seattle, WA 98134 mailto:RichA at LivingComputerMuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/

11 years, 1 month

HP 3082A ("Industrial Touch") Terminal service manual or other info?

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hi all -- The lovely HP 3082A terminal I've been using with my PDP-11/73 has started exhibiting odd/annoying behavior today. The 3082A is also known as the "Industrial Touch" terminal, it's a compact unit in a rugged housing with an EL display, built in keyboard, and a touchscreen. At powerup, it normally gives a few short beeps and starts normal operation. As of today, it gives one continuous beep for 31 seconds (I timed it), after which it works fine -- until the next time it needs to emit a beep (a ^G, for example) and then it beeps for 31 seconds again. This is, to be quite honest, intolerable :). The manuals on hpmuseum.net are limited to configuration/user manuals and the brief troubleshooting it recommends actually *does* mention the continuous beeping symptom, but gives no suggestions for causes, and suggests as a fix to (a) try turning it off and on again (I've done that...) and (b) replace the terminal (can't do that). I've also tried resetting the terminal config (hold down Help + . at powerup) and this has no effect. The terminal passes all built-in self tests. Anyone happen to have any experience with these, or know where a service manual might be found? If I at least knew what the 31-second beep signified I could start looking... Thanks, Josh

11 years, 1 month

PDP-8/S

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

PDP-S ( and Classic 8 too) in the intake form . . yes we are working up an entry for with different fields in it. Be aware though as soon as you say you HAVE ONE OF THOSE on this list or any other you have tagged yourself as having one. if someone wants your details it does not take too much research.... Ed# In a message dated 6/12/2015 6:43:44 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu writes: > From: Fred Cisin > If somebody were to try to make a "complete" list, it would make sense > to provide variable levels of anonymity > ... > Prob'ly some people would be more willing to discuss what they have IFF > they aren't opening themselves to theft risk, and/or a deluge of "I'd > like to buy". Let me second that. Particularly as the value of these things goes up, security will be a real issue for people. As I like to say, the _good_ thing about the Internet is that it brings the world to your doorstep; and the _bad_ thing about the Internet is that it brings the world to your doorstep... Noel

11 years, 1 month

PDP-8/S

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

That is NEAT! what application are they using it for and who is doing the maint. on it? Probably an interesting story there! Ed# In a message dated 6/12/2015 5:48:28 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, tdk.knight at gmail.com writes: been told of one in winnipeg. havent seen it to confirm though (winnipeg canada) thats still in use

11 years, 1 month

PDP-8/S

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

Heh! The will have to pry my PDP 8 from my cold dead hands to get it <<grin!>> In a message dated 6/13/2015 1:14:19 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, tmfdmike at gmail.com writes: I have an old computer collection in the workshop. I also have a gun collection in the house :-) If anyone can *still* successfully make off with my pdps, they can bloody have them! :D Mike On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 2:52 AM, Sean Caron <scaron at umich.edu> wrote: > I dunno, guys, that might be a little paranoid ... a lot of this stuff is > big and heavy ... I just can't imagine a thief coming in and carting away > PDP-11s, VAX-11s, RP/RL/TU drives, IBM mainframes, whole racks and the like > ... I can hardly move some of this stuff I have as one guy and it is > certainly a loud, time-consuming, sweaty process ... not to mention, how > would anyone go about fencing something like that? I don't think the local > pawn shop will want it ... imagine a giant illicit market for stolen > computers, like for stolen artwork? LOL. I'm not so sure. If someone wants > to keep their QTH anonymous that's cool and totally your business but I > suspect most intruders really couldn't care less about old computers... but > who knows. Maybe all this stuff will turn out to be the Old Masters of the > digital age and we'll all be rich! :O > > Best, > > Sean > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Noel Chiappa <jnc at mercury.lcs.mit.edu> > wrote: > >> > From: Fred Cisin >> >> > If somebody were to try to make a "complete" list, it would make >> sense >> > to provide variable levels of anonymity >> > ... >> > Prob'ly some people would be more willing to discuss what they have >> IFF >> > they aren't opening themselves to theft risk, and/or a deluge of "I'd >> > like to buy". >> >> Let me second that. Particularly as the value of these things goes up, >> security will be a real issue for people. >> >> As I like to say, the _good_ thing about the Internet is that it brings the >> world to your doorstep; and the _bad_ thing about the Internet is that it >> brings the world to your doorstep... >> >> Noel >> -- http://www.corestore.org 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother. Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame. For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'

11 years, 1 month

Collectors pay big money for old tech

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

Well ... some things really are not more expensive... the money is just worth less back when I used to buy pdp-8 computers for 100-200 dollars ... like 24+ years ago cars were a bunch cheaper too by far.... There are some things that went crazy like the Apple I but there is still a lot of interesting things around especially if you are willing to go out to sales and scrap yards etc. Then remember there is the 'art' of anticipating what will be considered a classic or totally cool and grab some on the time line point of near obsolescence and when others finally figure out it is cool... Two computers come to mind on that for us was Cobalt cube ( got a cobalt rack unit to keep it company too) and a Next cube system Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 6/13/2015 12:24:00 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, scaron at umich.edu writes: It's too bad that I catch myself thinking this so frequently these days, but "thank goodness I got mine" ... before the scene blew up... I guess the good times of just pulling carloads of cool stuff out of the dumpster for nothing couldn't go on forever... I do tend to agree; at least it's getting preserved; but it's a shame if the financial barrier to entry to the hobby is keeping potentially interested & enthusiastic people away... Like you, I'd rather see someone playing with the machine; taking it apart; fooling around; not having it just sit there in a glass case or being just another addition to some guy's hoard who just has to have it all... Best, Sean On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:48 AM, Ian S. King <isking at uw.edu> wrote: > The down side is that some historically significant artifacts will be > purchased by rich twits who will stick them in a closet or a display case. > The up side is that those same artifacts didn't go to the skip, as they did > all too often, all too recently. And history demonstrates that they will > come back out of those closets (or garages, in the case of vintage > automobiles and motorcycles) and end up in the hands of preservationists. > > We're seeing a tipping point where at least some people are beginning to > see the urgency of preserving our digital *hardware* legacy, even if profit > is the driver. As I said, it's not going into a dumpster.... -- Ian > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Kevin Parker <trash80 at internode.on.net> > wrote: > > > May be of interest to some list members - appeared in the Sydney Morning > > Herald Digital Life section yesterday. > > > > > > > > Unfortunately I'm not one of the big spenders. > > > > > > > > I know the story about the $200,000 Apple has got a fair airing but some > of > > the other numbers being quoted here frighten me. > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/discarded-apple-i-worth > > -us200000-collectors-pay-big-money-for-old-tech-20150610-ghfmlu.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++ > > > > Kevin Parker > > > > > > > > ++++++++++ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate > The Information School <http://ischool.uw.edu> > > Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal <http://tribunalvoices.org> > Value Sensitive Design Research Lab <http://vsdesign.org> > > University of Washington > > There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China." >

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