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by jws＠jwsss.com

On 7/7/2015 5:43 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > On Jul 7, 2015, at 3:43 PM, jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> wrote: > >> If there were a technical reason to keep it in a simple format that would be fine, but as Al K pointed out quite some time ago, Google already indexes all of this quite fine as it and most search engines do, so the list is text searchable. > There are (at least) two fallacies here: > > 1) The entire planet has 24x7 ubiquitous and effectively free internet connectivity, and > > 2) All the visually impaired have software that can cleanly, accurately, and efficiently scrape the browser results these various web search pages display, and can articulate them clearly in an alternate format. This also goes for figuring out how to use the search pages to begin with. > > --lyndon > Not sure what fallacy you see here. The list goes to a location online that is searchable. Search engines index the information from there. Near as I can tell Jay plans on it being online 24/7 and there are no blocks to search engines reading the information and including it in their indexes. Nothing about html format prevents search engines from capturing the information as accurately as text formatting. My point is, that keeping it in text format is not a requirement to make put it in a form that it can be indexed. And I pointed out that some people had warned that all of our discussions were being included in search engines <Google>, as a possible source of objection. I only included that point because the same people lobbying for text form may also be the ones who may not want list traffic in search engines, and I conceded that is a separate point. Apologies to Al for dragging his name into the thread. Not sure where your 2 points came from. thanks Jim

10 years, 11 months

VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

by bob＠jfcl.com

>P Gebhardt p.gebhardt at ymail.com wrote: > wonder how the ratio of VAX 6000s and 7000s in enthusiasts' hands > compared of VAX 11's in terms of numbers is? I guess that /780 and > larger systems are rare, but I'd guess that there are some more /730 > and /750 around. No idea if my gut feeling reflects facts, though. I know there are several people around with the larger VAXes in storage. That's why I asked about the "working condition" - I'm sure the number of big VAXes that could be switched on, say, this afternoon, is quite a bit smaller. FWIW, most 6000 machines weren't even that big. They're smaller than a 780 by quite a bit. I don't know about a 7000 or 10000 - I never actually used one of those in real life. Bob

10 years, 11 months

List Gripes

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

Dwight, yes I think so as I am on many lists and some hate the aol address more than others do Ed# In a message dated 7/7/2015 7:29:43 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, dkelvey at hotmail.com writes: As providers get more crowded, they will have more bounces. They tend to happen at times when a lot of messages are being handled. It seems that the list parameters were set when only a few bounces happened. Times have changed. I've only been back on the list for about a week and already it has determined that my address has too many bounces. There must be a parameter that can be set to adjust the sensitivity. Dwight =

10 years, 11 months

PDP-11/23, accessories, software, manuals and IBM portable available (South Africa)

by steve＠cosam.org

I was contacted by a chap in South Africa (Pretoria area) who has the following kit available. If interested, please reply to me directly and I'll put you in touch. * PDP-11/23, with dual RL02 drives and 9 disks * 2x VT100, one modified to VT125 * DecPrinter III * HP 70470A plotter * RSX11-M 4 with manuals * RSX11-M 3.2 (I think manuals only) * Fortran 77 with manuals * IBM portable (ca. 1982) -- Steve Maddison http://www.cosam.org/

10 years, 11 months

VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750)

by couryhouse＠aol.com

Great idea! ? Ed# Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Christian Gauger-Cosgrove <captainkirk359 at gmail.com> Date: 07/06/2015 8:17 PM (GMT-07:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: VAX-11/750 registry (Was: Reviving a VAX-11/750) On 6 July 2015 at 23:03, Alan Perry <aperry at snowmoose.com> wrote: > Is there any interest in starting a VAX-11/750 registry?? I wouldn't mind > knowing who else out there has one and where they are now.? If you are > interested, send me e-mail (vax11-750 at snowmoose.com). > Sorry for the scope creep; but perhaps it might be more useful/interesting to make it a registry of any VAX that has a name of the form "VAX-11/7xx"? (Which could also include the VAX 8600 and VAX 8650, since were originally to be called the VAX-11/790 and VAX-11/795.) Thoughts on that idea? Regards, Christian -- Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove STCKON08DS0 Contact information available upon request.

10 years, 11 months

Anyone in SE US with a working 3B2?

by alan＠alanlee.org

Anyone in the southeastern US with a working 3B2 (any series) that would let me connect my 3B2 bus analyzer to it? Thanks, -Alan Hightower

10 years, 11 months

FS: IBM 5250 8 Bit ISA Terminal Emulator Card With Software. Also IBM AT Clone System and Other PC Things

by slandon110＠gmail.com

Clearing out some excess stuff here I have an ISA IBM 5250 Terminal Emulator Card. Comes with the DOS software on a CD. Make A Fair Offer IBM AT Clone. 640KB RAM 40MB MFM Hard Drive. Ethernet Card, set up with mTCP. 1.44 3.5 HD Drive and 5.25 HD Drive. Has ATI VGA/EGA Card as well Make A Fair Offer Toshiba Satellite 4010 CDS 32MB RAM 2GB HDD.. Has 3.5 drive, CD-ROM and Ethernet Card. Make a Fair offer Dell Dimension M233a. 32MB RAM 8GB HDD. Ethernet. This is running OpenStep 4.2 with fully supported video, networking and sound. 233Mhz Pentium MMX Processor. It runs it really nicely. Make a fair offer Everything here is 15 bucks each shipped in the USA Microsoft Systems and Development CD-ROM Circa 1994 Windows For Workgroups 3.11 Disk Set Windows NT For PowerPC, Intel, MIPS 6000, Alpha MS-DOS 6.22 Disk Set IBM Cartridge Basic for PCJr Windows 95 Original Release on CD-ROM and Floppies with Book and Key Code Thanks. eBay feedback upon request and I accept PayPal. Or if you are in Michigan and want to come pick it up you are more than welcome to come. I am in Central Michigan, North of Mount Pleasant

10 years, 11 months

How many use old browsers (e.g. =< Netscape 4 or IE 6) as their ONLY source of web content?

by terry＠webweavers.co.nz

Hi, I'm engaged in a Retrochallenge project where I'm recoding my classic-computers.org.nz site to make it suitable for mobile platforms. I want to modernise the code as well, making it as close to HTML5 standard as I can The RetroChallenge blog site is here. http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2015-06-29-recoding-classic-comput… . In doing this, I will probably need to say goodbye to old browser compatibility. As in old I mean Netscape 4 or earlier, and other pre-2000 browsers (and possibly IE 6, as it's not very standard). The website does have a few articles and resources of interest to vintage computer hobbyists, which I wouldn't want to make inaccessible. The question is, how many guys like us, those who dabble with old tech, are likely to use ancient browsers as their ONLY source of web content. I suspect not many. Should I worry about it? Any comments welcome. On a related note, I'd be interested if anyone on the list CAN'T read this page properly: http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/temp.html It's a new blog page template I've developed using HTML5 and is mobile friendly. If it doesn't show up properly I'll be interested to know what browser you're using. Please be kind about the HTML5 and CCS code. I don't do this for a job, and it's a big learning curve for me. P.S. Here are some interesting stats. For myself, I've been a Chrome user for a number of years now. http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp Terry (Tez)

10 years, 11 months

out-of-mainstream minis

by mark＠markesystems.com

OP (about the 68000 box) here ? thanks for all the informative comments! I did spend some time using the 68010-based Apollo workstations, and as I understood it they were equipped with two processors, one shadowing the other, because not enough information was saved to completely restart an instruction ? particularly a block transfer ? if a memory paging operation was required. Apparently the 68020 somehow fixed this problem. (The 68008, BTW, was just a 68000 with limited address space and an 8-bit data bus. It was primarily targeted at deeply embedded systems, not ?general purpose computing? applications.) Thanks for the clarification about V7 Unix not requiring demand paging; this makes complete sense, since it was never mentioned in any of the documentation I read. And yes, it it was Unix V7, not ?System 7? (sorry, it was a while ago...). Thanks for the pointer to the Convergent Technologies boxes. This wasn?t them (the case was different: it was black, and horizontal-profile), but the functionality looks very similar; they could easily have had the same motherboard or other guts. Also, I forgot to mention in my original post that there was a 5-1/4? floppy on this thing, too. ~~ Mark Moulding

10 years, 11 months

out-of-mainstream minis

by mark＠markesystems.com

In the late 80?s, I bought from a surplus/junk shop a (by then somewhat obsolete) Unix computer, branded UniSys, I think. It had 10 serial ports; one was the primary console, one was intended for a printer, and the other 8 were regular user TTYs. The processor was a 68000 (not 010, 020, or anything else), I don?t remember how much memory, and it had an integral full-height hard drive as well (60 mB, maybe?). When I say Unix, I mean real System-7 Unix ? not Linux or any other *nix. I thought it was really a pretty neat system ? 8 (or 9) users and a printer, just perfect for a small office ? or my apartment at the time, which had a terminal or two in every room. I learned how to program in Unix on that machine, since it matched exactly the System 7 manuals I had. Sadly, time moved on, I got married, and got rid of a bunch of ?useless junk?, like that computer. Recently, I?ve been reminiscing and poking around some on the Web to try to find information about it, but it seems to have vanished completely with nary a ripple. Has anyone else stumbled across this unit, or at least have any knowledge of it? It was a black case, about the size of a standard IBM-PC, with ten serial ports on the back and not much else. I?d sure be interested to know where I might locate data about that unit, or (gasp!) possibly even an existing one... ~~ Mark Moulding

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