any chance for a PC Jr? maybe a TI/99?
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> From: Marvin <marvin(a)rain.org>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Digital Controls Inc. Training Cartridges?
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 2:22 PM
>
> A while back, I "saved" some cartridges from being tossed. The label
> says "Digital Controls, Learning Center, Multiplan (title varies
> depending on cartridge), Registerd Trademark of Microsoft Corporations,
> Copyright Digital Controls, Inc." The other titles I have are "Preview
> 1", "Lotus", "dBase II", "Wordstar", "IBM PC", and "Multimate". Anyone
> out there know what these are and what they go to? Thanks!
> In checking through the TRS-80 Model I computers, I noticed two
> different catalog numbers, 26-1001 and 26-1006. I also noticed that one
> of the 26-001 computer has a sticker saying "Note - This unit has the
> lower case modification kit installed (Cat. No. 26-1104.) Since most of
> these machines have been previously owned by early computer users,
> needless to say most have been modified in one way or another. Anyone
> know the differences between the different catalog numbers? Thanks.
I don't suppose one number is for Level I BASIC and the other is for
Level II BASIC?
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
A couple things:
First, if you are an Atari fan, or not, either way, go check out:
http://members.aol.com/cvendel/vaporware.html
An EXCELLENT page with lots of photos of unreleased Atari prototypes.
Great history. A great site.
On this site was mention of the STacy laptop, an Atari ST laptop
(presumably). Anyone have or know anything about these? Sounds
interesting, and I vaguely remember hearing about it years ago.
Also, the Aquarius prototype photos on:
http://www.webcom.com/~makingit/bluesky/aquarius.html#aquarius2
are startling! That would have been a most awesome computer! I'm biased
since I grew up on the Aquarius. But man, what a nice classic that
would've made.
Sam
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Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer, Jackass
Sunday AM, while waiting for Windows 95 to boot on my trusty
Hewitt-Rand 386-33, I found myself browsing through a copy of the June 1982
edition of Creative Computing.
Editorial content included an evaluation of the Osborne I, an
article on "Mass Storage Options" in which the writer encourages readers to
forsake audio cassettes and advance to the 5 1/4" floppy drives, or even
(gasp) one of the Winchester hard drives which will store five or even ten
megs of data! (An advertisement on page 189 quotes $3339.00 for five megs
capacity.)
On page 116 Osmo A. Wiio, professor of communications, deplores the
unreadability of computer documentation.
Ads offer floppies for $ 1.90, 48K of ram for your Atari for $
299.00, and on the inside rear cover a young looking William Shatner is
flogging the Vic 20. "Under $ 300.00, the best computer value in the world
today. The only computer you'll need for years to come."
Well, Win95 is up on the 386, got to go.
Cheers
Charlie Fox
Tigerdirect has 386-to-486 upgrade CPUs (for DX or SX) for $19.95
Kai
> ----------
> From: Mr. Self Destruct
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 10:20 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: Good Old Days
>
> On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Charles E. Fox wrote:
>
> > Well, Win95 is up on the 386, got to go.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Charlie Fox
>
> OOOH, That's GOTTA hurt! You poor sadistic soul!
>
> Les
>
>
I have messed with a few apple/// drives, and yes, you can recalibrate them
the same way. Excessivly noisey drives in my experience though is not
always a bad floppy drive, but rather there is a C-clip retainer that keeps
the rotor spindle at the correct height. This C clip is on top of the
spindle just below the plastic disk that supports the bottom of the disk.
When this clip is missing the flywheel at the bottom of the drives falls
down about 1/4" and drags on the bottom of the case. If you don't see this
clip, you can remove the drive and sit it on it's side and it may boot. At
least then you know if the hunt for a compatable C clip is worth it.
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> From: Sam Ismail <dastar(a)crl.com>
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
<classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu>
> Subject: Re: Apple /// stuff (was: Re: This weekend's haul)
> Date: Friday, June 13, 1997 11:29 AM
>
> On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Doug Spence wrote:
>
> > I noticed that the cable that leads to the external floppy port has
been
> > badly crushed between the cast iron frame and the metal sheet that
holds
> > the motherboard, though. I'll have to remove it to see if any of the
> > wires have been broken. :/
>
> My internal floppy seems to be hosed. I can't boot any disks off of it.
> Some bgin to boot but then go to error, others invoke this horrendous
> recalibration that never ends. I assume the drive head is dirty and the
> speed needs calibrating. I wonder if I can calibrate this drive like one
> can the Disk ][?
>
> > I do need the system disks. I didn't get them with the machine. I
wish
> > there was some way to transfer them electronically, though... which is
why
> > I asked if there was a way of getting an Apple ][ to access a ///'s
disks.
> > I suppose the ///'s drive is double-sided, though.
>
> Doug, if you want I can e-mail NuFX (ShrinkIt) images to you. This would
> be the quickest way for you to get them. You'd need an Apple // running
> shrinkit of course. The disk format between the // and /// is identical.
>
>
> Sam
>
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> Computer Historian, Programmer, Musician, Philosopher, Athlete, Writer,
Jackass
At 09:28 PM 6/16/97 PST8PDT, you wrote:
>
>So when did the original Pong make its appearance.
>
>Marc
Atari's Pong the Coin-op in Nov '72
Atari's Home Pong Console in late '74
Other videogame milestones of note:
Higinbotham's Oscilloscope Tennis in Oct '58
Russell's PDP-1 Spacewar in '62
Baer's Cable TV game system in '68
Nutting's Computer Space Coin-op in '71
Magnovox's Odyssey Console in May '72
James
jscarter(a)worldnet.att.net
> I was running a 8086 system in 1980 that clearly blow the doors off a PC.
> It was 8086 not 8088 at 5.0mhz and 16bit wide memory using standard
> multibuss cards. By late 81 that machine was 8mhz, and 82 brought a copy of
> PC dos to it. Early MSdos could be configured like CP/M. The PC was slow,
> clunky, closed and expensive! By time the XT arrived still slow, clunky and
> expensive there are several S100 and other systems that were very fast
> 6/8/10 mhz 8088 or 8086 systems.
I've been taking a look at Caldera's OpenDOS (aka Novell DOS 7, aka
DR-DOS), and it still looks quite friendly to running on strange hardware.
Other than a few references to our friend the A20 hack sprinkled throughout
the non-BIOS (BIOS as in CBIOS or IBMBIO.SYS, not ROM BIOS) parts of a few
modules, I've not run across any glaring PCness in the system. At first glance,
it also looks like A20 stuff is set up by the BIOS initialization routine.
In short, it should still be possible to configure DR-DOS for non-PC hardware.
I can't speak for MS-DOS because sources aren't available...
Of course, you will get no sympathy from the folks on the OpenDOS mailing
lists if you talk about running DOS on non-PC hardware; they seem to be
young enough to have never encountered the wide variety of machines that
existed before the PC took over the world.
Roger Ivie
ivie(a)cc.usu.edu
> Sunday AM, while waiting for Windows 95 to boot on my trusty
> Hewitt-Rand 386-33, I found myself browsing through a copy of the June 198
> edition of Creative Computing.
Creative computing was always about 2-3 years behind or worse.
> (gasp) one of the Winchester hard drives which will store five or even te
> megs of data! (An advertisement on page 189 quotes $3339.00 for five megs
nov/dec 1980 _s100 Microsystems_
MOrrow designs (thinker toys) DISCUS 26mb hard dive system_ $4995
(ithaca) Intersystems DPX-2a (z8002 16 bit cpu) basise machine $4795
Northstar* Horizon-2 (DD controller) z80 4 mhz 32k ram (assembled/tested)
$2699
Allison
Pong is not the first video game. Nolan Bushnell, who later founded
Atari, did Pong. Several years before Pong, Nolan created a more
sophisticated game called Computer Space, built by Nutting and
Associates.
Computer Space was the first arcade video game.
Atari home Pong was the first home video game.
Magnavox Odyssey1 was the first home video game system.
Trust me, I own all of them.
Kai
> -----Original Message-----
> From: e.tedeschi [SMTP:e.tedeschi@ndirect.co.uk]
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 1997 9:20 AM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: PONG
>
> Doeas anybody have a photograph of "PONG" the first video game ever?
> Or
> where I can find one? I have never seen it and I don't know how it
> looks
> like so I will not be able to recognize it if I ever bump into one.
>
> Thanks
>
> enrico
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