Whilst in a self-induced trance, e.tedeschi happened to blather:
>Scott Walde wrote:
While I fully agree with what Scott wrote in his (admittedly longwinded :-)
post, I'm not sure if it was stated simply enough....
>> Back to the religion thing again... If I was giving something away, and a
>> person wanted it to use it for some purpose which I am 'religiously'
>> opposed to (I can't think of a good example off hand) I would probably try
>> to find someone else to take the item. I think that this should be my
>> right. (I do have the right to practice my religion, don't I?) I hope
>> you can see how this applies directly to the computer issue.
To put it in 4 words, I believe Scott is saying: "Live and let live."
>So now the problem is clear...notwithstanding all the previous
>declaration to the contrary THERE IS a problem of someone being opposed
>to some other use (and possibly location) of the stuff. I think it is
>only fair that it is so.
If the problem is clear to you... could you explain it to me? My mind is
still dizzy from all this... :-) (Oh, and BTW, would you mind not yelling?)
>What is NOT fair is to try to hide it and find other excuses like...too
>difficult to pack... to expensive to be worth bothering with it....too
>much paperwork etc. Ain't we all in the same passion? If not then I
>would rather not be here.
Personally, I had no idea that they still "shipped" (pun intended) things
on "the Big Pond." I would not have even thought to look for something
other than airmail, and I can attest (as I live on the Canada-US border)
that Customs can be a right pain in the behind.
>See what I mean? (is this too much cultural for someone?)
Well, no.
Enrico, I do have one question: Are you waiting for someone to say to you:
"You're right?" If so, I don't believe you've presented enough evidence to
us to judge whether or not you are. I can say that several of the "points"
you've tried to make have been very vague and could be interpreted a number
of different ways. I've noticed that several people on this list has tried
to explain what they percieve to be going on, and I readily admit that I
don't know enough about what's going on. However, one thing I do know very
well is communication, and there does seem to be a major miscommunication
problem here.
I for one, would like to see you stay with the list, and yes, there might
be the occasional twit on the list as well, but I'm on 5-6 lists (two of
which I run), and I must say that I've seen fewer twits on this list than
on my others.
I have several friends I've met thru e-mail all over the world (and yes,
including the U.K... ;-) and I will say that I was offended with you're
insistance that this was a "foriegner" issue... This is called the "World
Wide Web" not the "U.S. Web." I can also guarantee that no matter what
country you visit, you *will* find at least one twit living there. Guaranteed.
Enrico, if you can clearly explain your position (with examples, if
necessary) to me in private e-mail, I would be more than glad to help you
out and would even be glad to act as intermediary between you and anyone
else with which there may be a communication problem. Otherwise, I'll go
back lurking and I will have no more to say about this thread. (I
promise!!! ;^> )
Just my tuppence worth,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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> > There is the matter of customs which many americans have little experien
> > with.
> I accept that....but you are such a big country. Isn't it about time you
> start looking outside and try to understand other cultures? (no offence
> meant)
I worked for several companies that was very good in that respect, Japanese
and European. I did exchange information and material on a very regular
basis however, it was another person in shipping that took care of details
of getting it there. AS an engineer the machanics of those transactions
were an inpediment to doing the work!
In short you are confusing the mechanics of transaction with cultural
interaction.
I have had only on case where I got something for the shipping cost and
depite care in packaging by the shipper a s100 box was received severely
bent! Over a certain weight crating is a must it would appear. I don't
have the resources to crate a machine.
For me save for that one long distance transaction other than for a floppy,
a board or paper/books(small under 2kg) to strictly local transactions
withing the driving distance of my old toyota pickup truck. As is, that
can prove difficult!
Allison
Just by coincidence here is an example I have just received just now
(there have been more before I started this debate; I don't that I am
paranoid, there is definetely something in this group which is
(generally speaking):
a) against "displays" (pulling out bits to display etc.)
b) Against shipping overseas (cost is no problem as is paid by the
recipient)
It took my some four e-mail messages to get to this message enclosed
here. See what I mean?
enrico
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Subject: Mint Commodore PET FOR Sale
From: "Stephen McCoy and Charmiane Barr"
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Hey all If you are in the market for antique computers and
accessories I got one
for you--Commodore PET (Slim 25) with a working tape drive and
cable. The
unit works at its factory best standards as well as the tape
drive. If
anyone is collecting antique Commodore computer from the
seventies/eighties
this is a classic machine and there are few left in North
America.
If you wish to bid on this unit (only serious bids will
be
received/answered) please write an email to me at the below
address and I
will get back to you.Thanks for reading and have a good day.--
Stephen McCoy
"Quiet"mrsmrx(a)efni.comWise men are those with an open mind to
subjects others are not :]
I would suggest subscribing to the list in Digest form. One big email message per
day and you can skim through to the ones you want to read. Or just delete the
whole thing if you're not in the mood (heaven forbid!)
> > I just subscribed to this mailing list yesterday and am amazed at the
> > traffic. Just today, I seem to have received more than 80 messages!
>
> Which is why I'm dropping it.
>
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Sorry to burst your bubbles, but the Commodore drives ARE 300 RPM like
most of the others, many 1541 flywheels have the speed-calibaration
diagram on them (use fluorecent light to determine correct RPM).
154s and the lot have software&hardware to adjust the density on
tracks so more data can be stuffed in inner tracks and allow the outer
ones to spread out. No special speed involved here.
It is because of this that many computers with dumb drives can't read
the 1541 format (including Amiga!) the controller cards seem to be
limited in this fasion. Thus there is quite a demand for 1541 drivess
and (pre-converted) .d64 files in the 64 emulator community. ;)
I think all the 5.25" Commodore drives were based on the variable
density initiated in the 2040 DOS. My Complete Commodore Inner Space
Anthology has differing sector counts on tracks on all the models (4040,
2031, 1541, 8050, 8250/SFD-1001) The hard drives (9060 & 9090) seem to
be uniform thoough.
Things changed with the 1581 disk (3.5") which uses a variation of the
MFM format, and can be readable with PC/Amiga computers (with the proper
software, of course.)
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Taking quotes from that LA article on collecting:
> Most of these early machines and programs, which didn't work very
>well when they were new [IBM PC,MS/DOS], are even more troublesome to maintain now
>[Windows 95]--and have been rendered obsolete by wave after wave of new equipment.
>[Macintosh, Amiga, NeXT, etc., etc.]
Yep, translates to modern-day very well.
> Greelish, a computer repairman, has spent about $2,600 in recent
>years building a collection of 35 computers, mostly by trolling for
>bargains on the Internet.
$2,600 for only 35 machines???? Anyone have his address, I have some
64s for him!
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Here's some TI/99 stuff that might interest some people.
Sam
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