Will someone please remove me from this list. Thank you.
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At 00:02 22-06-97 PDT, you wrote:
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>Well, to get more specific, I have the (perhaps wrong) feeling that:
>
>a) You are against collectors who collect for the historical importance
>onyl and are not really worried if the item works or not (as long as all
>the parts are in there and the thing can be made to work if and when
>required). I have been ridiculized when I suggested this one way to go
>about collecting.
??? What on God's green Earth would make you think that? I collect a few
bits and pieces mainly for historical value (I've got an original Seagate
ST212 in one of my Micro-PDP11's that I don't ever plan to use; just
exhibit), and I've never been ridiculed.
Even if you have been jeered at, what of it? People have taken plenty of
pokes at me for my open criticism of Bill Gates, Microsoft, Intel, et al,
and my collecting of DEC stuff that's at least ten years old. My take on
this? Let 'em jeer. I see them as narrow-minded victims of the Wintel
monopoly's marketing sharks, and I am confident in the fact that I'll
likely forget more about computer hardware than such people will ever learn.
>b) You are against collectors who want ot take out bits and pieces from
>the systems in order to show them separately (but retaining and perhaps
>even ehibiting the "crippled" item). I have been refused help in thsi
>respect when it became apparent I was going to do this.
I don't see an issue with this. What I do have a problem with is people
who just blindly throw 'bits and pieces' or entire machines on the scrap
heap just because they think they're "obsolete" (an overused word if ever
there was one!)
>c) You are against helping "foreigners" (and therefore "different")
>collectors to export "your" stuff perhaps in the wrong perception that
>it will diminish the heritage of the country (yours). I have striken a
?!? Good Lord, man, who's been beating you up? I would WELCOME aiding
anyone, in any country, that wanted to restore or collect some piece of
hardware that I'm familiar with and needed help to get it going (I
obviously can't be of much help with stuff I don't know anything about).
Tell you what... if you want proof of this, at least from me, I'd be happy
to offer any aid I can with the equipment that I'm familiar with. That
includes DEC stuff, from the PDP11/03 on up through the MicroPDP's and
VAXen. There are others on here who, I'm sure, would be willing to help you
in their particular areas of expertise.
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"Our science can only describe an object, event, or living thing in our own
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Today's scrounging haul:
TI99/4 Impact Printer, clean, working, new ribbon $ 1.00
Mac 20mb SCSI external hard drive $20.00
200 360k floppys, new in boxes of 10 $ 3.00
Mac ADB coil cord $
1.00
Tandy CoCo/1000 delux joystick NIB $ 1.00
Passed up on a C64 with PSU $ 3.00, Amiga A500 NIB $ 25.00, C-128 $1.00
(looked a little well used), Apple 2e $ 5.00 with Disk II.
This is a message I sent to the Electronic Organ list today. They were
discussing simulating a pipe organ with a computer.
I looked at the Alphasyntauri in my collection, and thought "Been there,
done that . . ."
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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 08:40:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Charles P. Hobbs" <transit(a)primenet.com>
Cc: EORG-L(a)CFRVM.CFR.USF.EDU
Subject: Computer simulation of an organ
Anyone here heard of the AlphaSyntauri?
This was an organ keyboard, connected to an Apple II computer. The Apple
was equipped with sixteen 8-bit DACs (digital-analog converters). The
DACs converted digital waveforms (sequences of numbers in the Apple's RAM)
to analog, audio signals.
The AlphaSyntauri could play up to eight notes simultaneously (2 DACs were
normally assigned to each note). Tonalities could be easily selected via
software. There were even Fourier-analysis tools allowing the users to
make and manipulate their own waveforms.
This instrument was popular in the early 80's, but died out before the
age of MIDI. By that time, its output (8 bit DACs, relatively low sampling
rate) had made the instrument obsolete for most serious musicians (I have
one as a collector's item).
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> So I am asking *you*, lover of the hardware to reconsider your thoughts
> and ask yourself what would your collection mean without all of the
> above. I, for one, will be glad to learn that you had second toughts
> about this. In either cases it could be useful to read here your
> motivations.
Interesting comment.
More information on the AIMs. I am currently working on a bulk deal with
Mike for $20 a piece. While these are truly AIMs, they are not "stock"
AIMs. They have been altered (really improved). While I think the
improvements are very nice, I would've preferred a stock AIM. However,
these definitely sound like nice units. Anyway, here's the scoop.
Sam
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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:45:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeooo1(a)aol.com
To: dastar(a)crl.com
Subject: Re: AIM65
Gentlemen,
In response to all the interest so many of you have shown in my Aim 65
collection let me say that they are all in new working condition.The beauty
about the Aim 65 is that it was a single board computer which was self
contained in that it had its display,printer,and memory all mounted on its
board so that peripheral attachments weren't necessary.Yes,it comes with a
keyboard and power supply also.I developed a plastic enclosure and metal base
and ROM board for the system so the keyboard and power supply could be housed
with the Aim in a compact unit and programs could be burned onto eproms which
would seat in the ROM board rather than rely on tape storage which involves a
recorder hookup and would be quite slow. I didn't like the enclosure or the
unwieldy power supply that Rockwell created for the Aim so I had my own
plastic enclosure injection molded by a plastics manufacturer. I had a metal
base manufactured for the unit so it could be professionally represented as
an industrial computer rather than just the "hobbyist's computer" Rockwell
originally designed it for.I also have production equipment I developed for
creating programs downloading them directly from the Aim into the RAM buffer
of eprom burning devices and ultimately housing the programmed eproms in the
ROM board I developed which sat on the bottom of the case housing.I have
built a successful company around the Aim which is truly an amazing computer
and has withstood the test of time as many people are still using it today.As
for its value,the unit sold for approx.$450 (computerboard and keyboard) and
its part are still in demand today.The display chips alone cost $30 apiece
and there are 5 on each display while the print head alone sells for $105,the
entire printer about $180.
At 07:59 PM 6/21/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Is "culture" banned from this site then? (We are getting there in the
>end....it's a CULTURE clash, is it?)
Yes! No more culture! Only trashy romance novels, Beverly Hills
90210/Melrose Place, and the Bee-Gees should be discussed here! And that's
Culture *Club*! (Seequa, seequa, seequa, seequa, seequa, seequa
chameleooooon...)
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Well after getting my Educator 64 working (yipee!) and realizing I have
alot of the Commodores I kinda wanted to collect from years back I
decided to write out a quick list (a>this is from memory so there
probably is stuff missing and b>it in no way shows how many repeats of
items I have (like 3 VIC-20s, umpteen datasettes, etc.) c>I have NO
interested in selling any of it.) Hope you find it interesting. (=))
Larry's Commodore Collection:
Calculators:
Minuteman 6
Minuteman 6x
Custom Greenline
Rechargable (greenline?)
Model 784D
PET Series
Original PET with original ROMs and 32k ExpandaPET board
PET 2001 Series w/Upgrade ROMs 32k
PET 2001 Series w/4.0 ROMS & MTU VM Graphics Board
CBM 2001 Series 32k
PET 4000 Series w/32k
CBM 8032
SuperPET Model SP9000
PET/IEEE-488 Peripherals/Firmware
RAM/ROM EPROM emulator
Centronics Printer Interface
4040 Dual Disk Drive
2031LP Single Disk Drive
8023 Wide Carriage Dot-Matrix Printer
Original 'modified' Sanyo cassete deck
C2N Datasette in black case
C2N Datasette in cream case w/counter
Toolkit ROMs (upgrade and 4.0 versions)
VIC-20 Series
VIC-20 (DIN power Supply)
VIC-20 Peripherals/Firmware
Commodore Joystick
Commodore Paddle Controllers
Commodore C2N/1530 low-profile datasettes
Commodore VIC-1541 Single Disk Drive
Cardco Cartridge expansion unit
Koala Pad
MSD 24k RAM cartridge
Commodore 8k RAM cartridge
Commodore 3k+SuperExpander Cartridge
HES HESMON utility cartridge
Omega Race
Tooth Invaders
Defender
Choplifter
Radar Ratrace
Donkey Kong
Cosmic Cruncher
C64/B-128 Series
Commodore 64 (8-Pin Video)
Commodore 64 w/stereo SID modification
Commodore SX-64 portable
Commodore P-500
Educator 64 (Commodore 64 in PET/CBM 4000/8000 style case)
64/B-128 Series Peripherals/Firmware
Commodore 1702 Color Monitor
Commodore 1541 Disk Drive
Star Micronis NX1000C Dot Matrix Printer
Citizen iDP560CD 2 3/4" wide Dot Matrix Printer
Kinney Video Digitizer
Alien Group Alien Voicebox Voice Synthesiser
Currah Technologies Voicemaster 64
Wico Trackball controller
Total Telecommunications 300 Baud Modem
Inkwell Tech. Lightpen
Lemans
Jumpman Jr.
SuperGraphics Jr.
HESMon 64
Gridrunner
Astroblitz
Commodore 264 series:
Commodore 16
Commodore Plus/4
Commodore Plus/4 w/standard 64 PS connector
264 Peripherals/Firmware
Atari style joystick adapter
Datasette plug adapter
+4/16 joystick
Jack Attack
Plus Calc
Plus Script
Commodore 128/128D series
Commodore 64C
Commodore 128
Commodore 128D (missing keyboard)
Commodore 128 Series Peripherals
Commodore 1670 1200 Baud Modem
Commodore Modem 300 - 300 Baud Modem
Commodore 1902 Color Monitor
Commodore 1541C Disk Drive
Commodore 1541-II Disk Drive
Commodore 1571 Disk Drive
Commodore 1581 3.5" Micro Floppy Disk Drive
Commodore 1764 RAM Expansion Unit
Commodore 1351 Mouse
CMD RAMLink Ram Expansion Unit
CMD HD series Hard Drive Unit
Aprotek 2400 Baud Modem
SuperSnapshot 5 Utility Cartridge
Lotsa Joysticks... ;)
Still Looking for:
8050 Dual Disk Drive
8250 Dual Disk Drive
SFD-1001 Single Floppy Drive
8010 Modem (acoustic coupler)
4010 Voice Response Unit (speech synthesiser)
CBM 9060/9090 Hard Disk Unit
B-128/B-256 Series Computer
Computereyes for Commodore 64
Commodore comaptible EPROM programmer
Commodore 65
Commodore LCD (I wish!)
Serial<->IEEE-488 interfaces
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Last week - while I was on holiday on the Noprfolk Broads - someone (I
forget who) asked if there had ever been a microcomputer that used
EBCDIC.
I have an IBM System/23 (aka Datamaster) at home. It has system board,
mono monitor, twin 8-inch floppies and PC-style keyboard in one box, and
a printer hung off the back. It has an 8085 processor, 64k RAM and 112K
ROM. The expansion slots are suspiciously IBM PC like...
This box programs in BASIC (the 112k of ROM contains almost a complete
mainframe basic with matrix ops, etc.) and uses EBCDIC as its character
set. It has interesting features such as a file system with 8.8
character filenames (as opposed to the CPM and later 8.3 that everyone
seems to use nowadays :-( ). If the printer is switched off or
disconnected, it fails power on diagnostics!
As I recall, I was given it by a friend at college in ?1988. He
informed me that his stepfather paid L11000 (i.e. UK pounds) for it in
?1980.
I once tried to get the BASIC manual out of IBM technical publications.
It was out of print, so they persuaded me to shell out L30 (about $40 or
$50?) for the mainframe BASIC manual. Not a good buy!!!
Anyone else out there have one of these? Know any more about it?
Philip.
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Das Feuer brennt, das Feuer nennt die Luft sein Schwesterelement -
und frisst sie doch (samt dem Ozon)! Das ist die Liebe, lieber Sohn.
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