> > > Remember it? If it's what I am thinking of, I was doing it a couple
of
> > > weeks ago. You are talking about a 'Coconut', right (explanation of
that
> > > codename also on request - it has _nothing_ to do with the Tandy
CoCo).
> > > Nowadays I do something similar. I create a GROB with the right bit
> > > patterns, use the SystemRPL 'Get' routine to remove the header, and
thus
> > > create new objects.
No, not quite. The HP-41C used 2, 3 or 4 bytes to create the program steps.
By forcing apart the bytes and substituting new ones, new ("synthetic")
opcodes could be created.
These ranged from creating new characters to being able to access areas of
memory.
Ah, the heady days of discovery! Mother HP wouldn't officially help, but
there was plenty of behind-the-scenes help.
Hello folks!
What information is there on the CBM 900? I was mailed by someone who has
a working one and is looking for more information on the machine. Any info
would be lovely. Btw, his machine is apparently a prototype (it says so
somewhere -- probably a sticker or something).
Thanks,
Alexios
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The Unpronounceable One ,o88oooo88ooooo88oo, axc(a)dcs.ed.ac.uk
>>modifications), and power supply brick. Level I BASIC is similar to
>> Tiny BASIC. I still have my Level I BASIC reference manual.
>The Basic was an 4k microsoft basic with floating point and simple >arrays but no alphanumeric operators or transcendental functions.
>Tiny basic was an integer language of less than 4k.
IIRC Level I Basic was floating point but it was not a Microsoft product. Only Level II Basic came from Microsoft. In fact the source for Level I Basic was later released and I think I have a copy of it in storage somewhere.
Regards,
Bob
Kai Kaltenbach <kaikal(a)MICROSOFT.com> writes:
> Other Upgrades:
You left out the TRS-80 Screen Printer, a widget that plugs into the
connector otherwise used for the Expansion Interface. Hit the switch
on the front of the printer, and it ejects a few inches of silvery
electrostatic paper with the image on your screen zapped dark on it.
My understanding is that it grabs the image right out of the screen
memory.
Somewhere I have some pages printed by one of these. As I recall they
didn't last long as a product. I think I have two Radio Shack
microcomputer catalogs from 1978 (one white/black/silver, one later
one in full color) and the screen printer is only shown in the earlier
catalog, but both are loaned out to someone who wanted to scan some
pictures from them. (Hey Javier, are you reading this?)
-Frank McConnell
Sorry, I for got to aadd these to my last message. Also found some
software. I've never used this stuff so it's an as-is deal.
Geos Lot:
Looks like a set of GEOS 2.0 and 1.2
Manuals for 1.2 and 2.0
Deskpak Plus (six applications for GEOS)
Deskpak Manual
25 Blank 5-1/4 disks
Price $5, Shipping $2.75
C-64 Game/Software Lot:
Zork I or C64 with Manual
Flight Simulator II in box w/manual
AwardWare Graphics
Starcross game w/manual
Business
Indoor Sports w/manual
Into the Eagles Nest (WWII)
Box of 12 misc disks w/some s/w
Price $5, Shipping $2.75
I'm sorting through the boxes of "stuff" I have accumulated and I've
saved a pile of books you folks might be interested in. I am selling
them in lots because I don't have time to pack up and mail them out
individually. Besides they're going cheap! Shipping via USPS Book Rate.
Commodore Lot:
The Manager - Commodore 64
C64 User's Manual
Kids and the Commodore 64
Commodore 64 Favorite Programs Explained
Re Run - Reprinted Articles from Jan to June 1984 - Run Magazine
VIC 1541 User's Maanual
More than 32 Basic Programs for the C64
Commodore 64 User's Handbook
Commodore 64 Programmer's Reference Guide
Turte Graphics II Instruction Manual
Price $5, Shipping $4.25
Apple Lot:
Critic's Guide to Software for Apple and Compatible Computers
Apple II Super Serial Card Manual
Apple II 80-Column Text Card Manual
Extended 80-Column Text Card Supplement
Apple II The DOS Manual
Applesoft II Basic Programming Reference Manual
Price $5, Shipping $4.25
Other Lot:
10 Starter Programs from Family Computing (Apple, Atari, etc, 1983)
1986 Radio Shack Software Reference and Tandy Computer Guide
A Bit of Basic (Apple II, TRS-80)
Price $2.75, Shipping $2.25
The Model I originally shipped without a numeric keypad. To the right
of the main keyboard was a rectangular keypad-size plaque reading "Radio
Shack TRS-80 Micro Computer System". The numeric keypad was added to
later models, and was available as a retrofit kit for around $50. With
the numeric keypad installed, the nameplate was moved to a horizontal
plaque above the keyboard.
The TRS-80 Model I lineage includes:
Model I, 4K, Level I BASIC
- This is a 3-piece system with the computer in the keyboard. It
includes the system keyboard/cpu, monitor, tape drive (actually a
rebadged regular Radio Shack portable cassette deck with no
modifications), and power supply brick. Level I BASIC is similar to
Tiny BASIC. I still have my Level I BASIC reference manual.
Model I, 16K, Level II BASIC
- The 16K and Level II upgrades went together. 16K is the maximum Model
I memory in the system unit (8x 4116 DRAMs). Level II BASIC is similar
to Microsoft BASIC/80 with functions added for things like the TRS-80's
128x48 memory-mapped monochrome graphics. Level II also added a
keyboard debounce routine--Level I machines were very difficult for
typists.
Other Upgrades:
- Expansion Interface
Matching silver color, acts as a monitor stand, connects to system unit
via ribbon cable. Contains dual floppy controller (WD chip), sockets
for an additional 32K (2 banks of 4116 DRAMs) for a system maximum of
48K, and a parallel connection. 16K ROM BASIC occupied the remainder of
the address space. The expansion interface also contains a card bay for
an RS-232 interface.
- RS-232 interface board
For expansion interface.
- Floppy drives
Single-sided single-density, approx. 90KB free space.
- Lower case upgrade
Provides lower case capability.
- Numeric keypad retrofit
As discussed above
Known TRS-80 Model I problems:
- Unreliable cassette interface. Radio Shack later released a
modification that improved this somewhat. The best option is a
third-party unit called the Data Dubber by Microperipheral Corporation
(I worked there!) that went in between the system unit and cassette and
squared the wave.
- Wonky, unbuffered connection to Expansion Interface. This went
through various modifications, and some cables you'll see have big
buffer boxes in the middle. Later Expansion Interfaces had built-in
buffering. Some bought third-party expansion interface clones from Lobo
and others. Be very careful if you get an Expansion Interface without a
cable. It might need the buffered cable, and it would be a pain to
manufacture.
- Bad data separator chip. The stock data separator was unreliable.
Most people replaced theirs with a third-party improvement such as
Percom's.
- Unreliable connection for the Expansion Interface-mounted RS-232
board. This board slipped over vertical post connections and never made
good contact. Most folks used third-party alternatives that worked off
the cassette port.
Kai
> ----------
> From: Mr. Self Destruct
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 1997 4:14 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Re: MSX, TRS-80, Colour Genie, etc.
>
>
> On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, Scott Walde wrote:
>
> > No. They were originally known (and labelled) as the TRS-80
> Microcomputer
> > System. They later became known as the model 1 (Although I don't
> think
> > they were ever labelled as such.)
> >
>
> Were there two different Model 1's? I have seen pictures of Model 1's
> that don't look like my Model 1. (i.e. no numeric keypad)
>
> Les
> more(a)crazy.rutgers.edu
>
>
>
>> Compressed 1-bit, 300 dpi TIFF for schematics
>> - Almost everything supports TIFF, including tons of shareware and
[technical stuff snipped]
>I'm not so sure that "everything" supports TIFF. After a little looking,
>I couldn't even find a TIFF file to test with xv.
Is there anything for either OpenVMS/Alpha (No DEC/X-windows) or the
Apple IIGS that can read TIFF?
>> RTF (Rich Text Format) for text documents that use formatting
>> - WordPerfect, Word, WordPad, etc. will save in this format
How about HTML? That would likely be more readable for my shell
account (though not all formatting would be displayed in Lynx).
I suppose I could walk over to the computer lab and use a Mac or a PC
if I *had* to. :)
--
Andy Brobston brobstona(a)wartburg.edu ***NEW URL BELOW***
http://www.wartburg.edu/people/docs/personalPages/BrobstonA/home.html
My opinions do not necessarily reflect the opinions of Wartburg College
as a whole.
Hey, figuring out standards like this is what I do. I recommend:
JPEG for photo scans (brochures, ads, etc.)
- It's the Internet photo file format standard
Compressed 1-bit, 300 dpi TIFF for schematics
- Almost everything supports TIFF, including tons of shareware and
Wang's free image processing add-on for Win95
(http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/info/wang.htm)
- 1-bit means monochrome (not grayscale). Use JPEG for images.
- Images should be 300 dpi, 8 1/2" x 11", i.e. 2550 x 3300 (don't worry
about scanning white space, it takes no space at all when compressed)
TXT for text documents that don't use formatting
- 80-column with carriage returns please
RTF (Rich Text Format) for text documents that use formatting
- WordPerfect, Word, WordPad, etc. will save in this format
Kai
> ----------
> From: Bill Whitson
> Reply To: classiccmp(a)u.washington.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 1997 1:05 PM
> To: Discussion re-collecting of classic computers
> Subject: Archiving Stuff
>
> Hi all.
>
> Consider Classiccmp Web/FTP open for your archiving pleasure ;).
>
> The process has been more or less tested out and is ready to go.
> Submissions of Software, Documentation, ROM code, whatever are all
> OK.
>
> What really remains to be done is to work out standards for file
> formats. I'll let those of you who are experts on specific platforms
> argue that out. I'll follow whatever ensues and firm up some
> guidelines.
>
> To submit something you need to download the form DS-form.txt from
> the FTP site (140.142.225.27) and fill it out to the best of your
> ability. Follow the instructions at the bottom of the form for
> uploading.
>
> All the form does is provide evidence (if anyone ever complains) that
> I'm not just uploading copyrighted material without a care.
>
> Anyway - if you're itching to archive stuff feel free. Your comments
> are welcome and also unavoidable ;)
>
> Bill
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Bill Whitson - Classic Computers ListOp
> bill(a)booster.u.washinton.edu or bcw(a)u.washington.edu
> http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bcw
>
>
> The Model I originally shipped without a numeric keypad. To the right
Correct.
> of the main keyboard was a rectangular keypad-size plaque reading "Radio
> Shack TRS-80 Micro Computer System". The numeric keypad was added to
> later models, and was available as a retrofit kit for around $50. With
> the numeric keypad installed, the nameplate was moved to a horizontal
> plaque above the keyboard.
Also correct.
>
> The TRS-80 Model I lineage includes:
>
> Model I, 4K, Level I BASIC
> - This is a 3-piece system with the computer in the keyboard. It
> includes the system keyboard/cpu, monitor, tape drive (actually a
> rebadged regular Radio Shack portable cassette deck with no
> modifications), and power supply brick. Level I BASIC is similar to
> Tiny BASIC. I still have my Level I BASIC reference manual.
The Basic was an 4k microsoft basic with floating point and simple arrays
but no alphanumeric operators or transcendental functions.
Tiny basic was an integer language of less than 4k.
> Model I, 16K, Level II BASIC
> - The 16K and Level II upgrades went together. 16K is the maximum Model
> I memory in the system unit (8x 4116 DRAMs). Level II BASIC is similar
wrong. Either could be installed alone. Generally LII with 4k was pretty
cramped. FYI: the LII romset was only 12k.
> to Microsoft BASIC/80 with functions added for things like the TRS-80's
> 128x48 memory-mapped monochrome graphics.
It was MS12k basic with TRS extensions (graphics).
>Level II also added a
> keyboard debounce routine--Level I machines were very difficult for
> typists.
The key bounce was a bug in the original 4k software, it didn't wait long
enough. There was a cassette that when loaded fixed it. Me I'd clean the
key contacts with a swab and some contact cleaner and get the same result.
> - Expansion Interface
> Matching silver color, acts as a monitor stand, connects to system unit
> via ribbon cable. Contains dual floppy controller (WD chip), sockets
> for an additional 32K (2 banks of 4116 DRAMs) for a system maximum of
> 48K, and a parallel connection. 16K ROM BASIC occupied the remainder of
> the address space. The expansion interface also contains a card bay for
> an RS-232 interface.
The bottom 16k was 12k of rom (LII basic) 1k of ram for video and keyboard
mapped in to memory space. Some of the 4k space for the video and keyboard
was wasted due to partial decode. The upside was since the keyboard was
scanned by the cpu so alternate shift and character sets were easy to do.
The down side is no matter how you tried, keyboard type ahead was
impossible, the keyboard could not interrupt the CPU.
> - RS-232 interface board
> For expansion interface.
The surface connector used was very cranky.
> - Floppy drives
> Single-sided single-density, approx. 90KB free space.
The design used the 1771 internal data seperator which was not very tolerent
of drive spped errors or data jitter.
> - Lower case upgrade
> Provides lower case capability.
Way late in the game the "field mod" had been around over a year before
tandy did it.
> - Numeric keypad retrofit
> As discussed above
Popular item!
> Known TRS-80 Model I problems:
>
> - Unreliable cassette interface. Radio Shack later released a
> modification that improved this somewhat. The best option is a
> third-party unit called the Data Dubber by Microperipheral Corporation
> (I worked there!) that went in between the system unit and cassette and
> squared the wave.
There were two mods one largely marginal, the later one was very effective.
I had a mod I did that worked very well and was far simpler.
> - Wonky, unbuffered connection to Expansion Interface. This went
> through various modifications, and some cables you'll see have big
> buffer boxes in the middle. Later Expansion Interfaces had built-in
> buffering. Some bought third-party expansion interface clones from Lobo
> and others. Be very careful if you get an Expansion Interface without a
> cable. It might need the buffered cable, and it would be a pain to
> manufacture.
The first version with the unbuffered or buffered cable was a junk design.
the later one with local ras/cas timing was far better.
> - Bad data separator chip. The stock data separator was unreliable.
> Most people replaced theirs with a third-party improvement such as
> Percom's.
The stock circuit depended on the 1771 chips internal seperator, Even WD
the chipmaker said don't do it!
> - Unreliable connection for the Expansion Interface-mounted RS-232
> board. This board slipped over vertical post connections and never made
> good contact. Most folks used third-party alternatives that worked off
> the cassette port.
Being there at the begining was half the fun.
Allison