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> Date: Sun, 12 May 2019 17:41:24 -0500
> From: "Charles" <charlesmorris800 at centurytel.net>
> To: "cctalk digest" <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Network cards and Win98SE
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> I have tried for two days to get wireless networking running on my old PC
> under Win 98SE, so I can use PUTR without a separate partition or boot. XP
> is on an 8.4 GB drive. 98SE is on an older 540 MB drive.
>
> There are two network cards (a Netgear WPN311 with Atheros chipset, and
> an
> Encore ENWLI-G2 with Realtek 8185 chip) and neither will work with
> Win98SE.
> I have tried the manufacturer's drivers, Atheros drivers, Realtek
drivers...
> none of it works. The Realtek driver installs but gives a fault in
RUNDLL32.
>
> Netgear's website claims that the WPN311 can run under 98SE and later.
> Some
> sources for that driver package say it starts with XP. Although I would
tend
> to believe the manufacturer...
> The same Netgear card in the same motherboard was working correctly with
> the
> XP drive.
>
> I even did a fresh install of 98SE. Then installed the WPN311 software,
then
> the card. Windows says the card is installed and working properly.
> But the Netgear utility won't run (hangs, Task Manager showing wlancfg5
not
> responding). That's usually because it can't see the card.
>
> Searching the net including various forums from years ago hasn't helped.
> So I'm about to give up. Wasted enough hours on this. Back to XP with a
DOS
> partition for running PUTR.
> Unless someone has a better idea :)
>
> thanks
> Charles
Hi Charles,
About 5 years ago I spent way too much time trying to sort out a PC platform
that would meet my needs for disk imaging (ImageDisk), PUTR, network file
transfers and ISA-based EPROM programmers. I eventually settled on a
Pentium II bare motherboard, AHA-1522A SCSI card (for its floppy controller
which supports single-density disks), CF card as a hard drive, FDADAP
adapter (for 8" drives), a generic ISA network interface card, MSDOS 6.22,
Norton Commander and Michael Brutman's mTCP package.
With this setup I can run PUTR and ImageDisk without any Windows-related
issues. File transfers to other computers are a breeze: mTCP includes an FTP
server and I just run FileZilla on my Windows machines to connect to the
MSDOS machine. Alternatively I can power down the MSDOS machine, and plug
the CF card into a USB adapter and copy files that way instead.
I appreciate these suggestions won't help if you need to have Win98 on the
same machine for other reasons.
Malcolm.
I use? ? 3? com? stuff? I? think? ? the other brands? ?I? toss in a? box in the warehouse.
later? ?3? com? stuff auto? finds? etc? works? fine... lats a long? time!
( paint it? grey and It? will not? rust )
Ed#
In a message dated 5/13/2019 3:39:15 PM US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk at classiccmp.org writes:
On 5/13/19 3:56 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote:
> Thanks for the tips. The reason I?m not using Ethernet cable is because
> the Vintage Computer Room (where this PC resides) is on the 2nd floor
> around a couple of corners, and my DSL modem/router and unfiltered phone
> line are in the 1st floor study. Would take a long run and some
> drilling, or duct taping it to the banister and hoping the dog and cats
> don?t eat it ;)
>
> However, after finally giving up on the wireless cards... I realized
> that I had a simple Linksys LNE100TX Ethernet card in the PC junk pile.
> I installed that (it was recognized by 98SE and the drivers worked first
> time too), then brought my laptop upstairs and set it up as a bridge.
> That works, but is clumsy and requires another computer.
So you turned your laptop into a gaming adapter.
> My next idea was to find a wireless device to connect to the Ethernet
> card. I found out about WLAN, bridging, and most importantly, that many
> models of router can be reflashed with dd-wrt software, and act as the
> bridge I needed! Also in the closet was a Linksys E1200 router, which is
> one of the models supported by dd-wrt. So I flashed it and hooked it up.
You turned the Linksys into a gaming adapter.
> After a bit of struggle (incomplete directions but I managed to fill in
> the missing pieces) I now have wireless network and Internet access on
> the old machine :)
You could have installed a gaming adapter, opened the web page,
connected it to the wireless and been done.
> Incidentally, PUTR now works perfectly since I?m running 98SE/DOS.
Ya.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die
I've been working on an MSCP controller implemented on top of Joerg Hoppe's
Unibone and that's been going fairly well, modulo a few oddities here and
there (if you have a Unibone and want to beta-test it, it's up at
https://github.com/livingcomputermuseum/UniBone).
It'd be nice to extend it to do TMSCP as well. Is there an equivalent to
the "MSCP Basic Disk Functions Manual" (AA-L619A-TK) for TMSCP? I can
probably glean most of the information I need from various *nix device
driver sources out there, but it'd be nice to have the definitive reference
on hand, and so far it's been eluding me. But maybe I'm just not looking
hard enough...
Thanks!
Josh
I'm building my own 8-bit CPU from TTL chips, and this caused me to think:
how were 32-bit minis built in the late 70s and early 80s? In particular,
how was the ALU built? I know about the 74181 4-bit ALU, and I know (from
reading A Soul of a New Machine) that PALs were also used.
Did companies get custom chips fabricated, or was it all off-the-shelf chips
with a few PALs sprinkled in?
Thanks, Warren
> From: Christian Corti
> 3710 Euro... someone with definitely too much money ... So no, we did
> not get the system, and it probably won't go into a museum.
Well, I did send you email offering to contribute, to help you all buy it.
Did my email not make it to you?
Noel
I have tried for two days to get wireless networking running on my old PC
under Win 98SE, so I can use PUTR without a separate partition or boot. XP
is on an 8.4 GB drive. 98SE is on an older 540 MB drive.
There are two network cards (a Netgear WPN311 with Atheros chipset, and an
Encore ENWLI-G2 with Realtek 8185 chip) and neither will work with Win98SE.
I have tried the manufacturer's drivers, Atheros drivers, Realtek drivers...
none of it works. The Realtek driver installs but gives a fault in RUNDLL32.
Netgear's website claims that the WPN311 can run under 98SE and later. Some
sources for that driver package say it starts with XP. Although I would tend
to believe the manufacturer...
The same Netgear card in the same motherboard was working correctly with the
XP drive.
I even did a fresh install of 98SE. Then installed the WPN311 software, then
the card. Windows says the card is installed and working properly.
But the Netgear utility won't run (hangs, Task Manager showing wlancfg5 not
responding). That's usually because it can't see the card.
Searching the net including various forums from years ago hasn't helped.
So I'm about to give up. Wasted enough hours on this. Back to XP with a DOS
partition for running PUTR.
Unless someone has a better idea :)
thanks
Charles
Just an update... I spent an entire long afternoon wrestling with that old
PC, trying to find some combination of HDD jumpers and BIOS settings that
would allow the XP hard drive to boot with another drive attached (either on
the slave connector or the secondary channel with the CD-ROM removed). No
dice.
So I had the bright idea to use Minitool's Partition Wizard, and shrink my
Windows partition so there'd be room for a newDOS partition.
But it won't even run (probably because I have only 64 MB RAM on that box).
Grrr. It's unbelievably slow anyhow, so more SDRAM on order, which is really
cheap these days.
I'd get a newer PC for the workbench, but need to keep the old motherboard
because there are a couple of devices (including a PB-10 PROM programmer)
which are ISA slots.
So, this has become a Windows/PC (ugh) project instead of just being able to
play with my PDP-11...
As a result of an inventory error on my part, I wound up with an extra copy
of "LSI-11, PDP-11/03 User's Manual" (EK-LSI11-TM-003).
I'd like to pass it along to someone, provided I'm reimbursed _most_ of
my eBait expenditure on it (it was not, alas, cheap). Anyone interested?
Noel
I have been invited out to the site tomorrow morning to take an inventory of what?s there (I live near the machines).
I imagine that I may well have a lot of photos that I bring to the list and say ?what is this??
The owner has assured me the machines will not be sent to the scrapper and that there are multiple interested parties, which is good, because I really don?t have a good place to put 8 cabinets of PDP-11. Not that having an 11/40 running Sixth Edition Unix wouldn?t be cool.
I?ll report back once I have an inventory.
Adam
