Hi, I'm looking for engineering info on the MSV11-J. I was unable to find any
prints online, or even a technical manual. (I have the User Manual, but it doesn't
have much detail.)
The main issue I'm after is working out which bits go into which chips. I
have some other QBUS memory boards with no documentation where I created the
mapping by just pulling chips, e.g.:
http://gunkies.org/wiki/Q-RAM_11
but, alas, on all the MSV11-J's I've seen, the DRAM chips are not socketed -
unlike QBUS memory boards by almost all the other manufacturers (e.g. National
Semiconductor, Camintonn, etc - in fact, pretty much everyone _except_ DEC).
Anyway, if anyone _does_ have an MSV11-J with the chips in sockets, I'd
_really_ appreciate hearing from them!
I'm not sure it's going to be possible to work it out from looking at board
traces, since the MSV11-J is ECC memory, and I expect all the data lines just
disappear into the two huge gate array chips.
Anyway, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with anything on the MSV11-J.
Noel
hi,
In 1990s Tektronix produced digital video X terminal and introduced
X server software based on VxWorks v5 (Windriver). Later they
introduced a new line of terminals, at some point a company called NCD
bought the Tektronix X11-terminals division and started to produce
their own line, called NCD-terminals with a software called
"NCD-bridge"
Anyway, both the 200-series and the 400-series of the Tektronix X11
terminals boot from a directory on a server via NFS or TFTP, either
way, you need to create a directory for the terminal to boot from, and
install a number of files.
These files are provided as "Tektronix XpressWare version 8.0 (or
later)". The 200-series can bootstrap from v7 ( one of the member of
my team owns an original CD), but the 200-series needs the v8 or later
(we don't have).
Unofficially, you might look for NCD, the Company who bought the
X-terminals division from Tektronix; they had (note the past tense)
some software in the form of patches, accessible by anonymous ftp.
There aren't any complete releases, but there were archives which
contains much that is useful to be found in the ftp, in particular
patches containing bits of version 8.1 of XpressWare; enough to form
the basis of a working installation.
Unfortunately, the archive is gone, no more available.
Let me know if you have the software or if you know where/how to find
it, otherwise, X11-terminals like X400 can't be functional.
Thanks
> From: Bill Gunshannon
> Anybody have any PMI memory modules they might let go for less than my
> first born male child?
The DEC PMI memories are the MSV11-J and (I think) the MSV11-R. The latter is
rare, but the -J's can be found. VARx sold me some -JE's a couple of years
back for a good deal less than their listing price:
http://www.varx.com/CAT/MEMORY-DEC_MSVXX.HTML
The other possibility is that Clearpoint made some PMI memories, which one can
occasionally find on eBait, etc: the QED1 (aka QED-F) and DCME-Q4E (they look
the same, so I'm not sure if they are actually different, or if the names were
just changed for marketing reasons).
Alas, I know of no documentation on either. (If anyone has any, _please_ share
it!) I am slowly trying to work out how to configure them (they can be
configured to run PMI or normal QBUS); contact me privately for what little I
have so far.
Noel
> From: Pete Turnbull
> Bill would want the -JD (2MB) version (the -JE version is 4MB so too
> big).
Err, the -JD is 1MB, and the -JE is 2MB (see e.g. EK-MSV1J-UG-001, pg. 1-3).
Noel
> From: Paul Birkel
> Same thing in this case.
The CPU looks to see a PMI signal that is generated by the KTJ11 - no signal
-> 11/83.
My impression is that except for the speed of the J11 (and the crystal), and
whether or not it came with the FPJ11, all four of the M8190 board variants
are otherwise identical. Whether it's a /73, /83 or /84 depends entirely on
whether it has/sees PMI memory and the KTJ11-B UNIBUS converter (and the
correct backplane, for the latter, of course).
> The 11/84 is an 11/83 extended by a Unibus interface to support legacy
> peripherals.
It has a special backplane which is mostly UNIBUS slots, with a few QBUS/PMI
slots on the front, and a 'special' slot in the middle into which the UNIBUS
adapter goes.
Noel