FRAM or MRAM. I make extensive use of them in my projects.
Everspin has a few (all SMT and 3.3v). As I recall they run ~$20/ea for 4Mb (512K x 8 or 256K x 16).
TTFN - Guy
> On Dec 15, 2018, at 1:22 AM, Rod G8DGR via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> I have an idea to produce an MM-8 clone using RAM that acts like core when turned off.
> Can anybody suggest a chip that will do this?
>
> Rod Smallwood
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Paul Koning
> For that matter, core memory details such as destructive read weren't
> visible to the CPU
Umm, not quite. If you'd said 'core memory details such as destructive read
weren't visible to the _program_', you'd have been 100% correct.
But as I suspect you know, just overlooked, most (all?) of the -11 CPU's do
use 'read-modify-write' cycles on the bus (DATIP in UNIBUS terms, DATIO in
QBUS) where possible precisely for the benefit of core memory with its
destructive readout. (And there's some hair for interlocking the multiple
CPU's on the -11/74 which I don't recall off the top of my head.)
And I have a vague memory of something similar on other early DEC machines;
probably some -8 models.
Noel
> On Dec 16, 2018, at 10:49 PM, Rod G8DGR via cctech <cctech at classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
> I?m trying to make a look and feel reproduction PDP-8/e.
> So the memory characteristics need to be as close as possible.
>
> An original ( and I do have one) and the copy when placed side by side should run in sync.
> When executing he same code ? What code I couldn?t care.
>
> Rod
All you need for that to be true is to use the same bus timing as the original. What happens behind the scenes is unimportant.
At LCM while restoring their CDC 6500 they built replacement memory modules, which actually mimic not just core memory cycle timing but also core memory waveforms -- which took some fiddling with pulse transformers. But behind the interface logic there's simple modern memory, probably SRAM, I forgot.
paul
On Sat, Dec 15, 2018 at 6:15 PM Rod G8DGR via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
wrote:
> All very interesting.. 1201 alarm while I deal will all of the information
> Rod
>
>
1202 coming up...
I don't know specifically about the various memory types being bandied
about, but I do know that the destructive read behavior of core memory my
be required for some architectures; "load and clear" type instructions rely
on the suppressing the write-after-read cycle to make the instruction
atomic, allowing the implementation of data locking instructions. For some
architectures, it may be that any replacement memory would have to support
the suppression signal to work correctly.
-- Charles
Hi Rod,
take some microcontroller and some serial flash memory.
With best regards
Gerhard
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On 12/15/2018 11:19 PM, Rod G8DGR via cctech wrote:
>
>
> However I began to think would it be possible to create a close copy of an 8/e out of modern parts.
>
>
> Finally the big one ? Omnibus and the connectors its made from. A 3D printing candidate?
> I?m going to autopsy a busted connector and see how they are constructed inside.
Yup, this will be a problem. A couple decades ago, there
was a very common technology, press-fit backplanes. You
made a PC board with all the interconnect on it (power +
signals) and pressed-in contact fingers. Then, connector
housings were pressed onto the contacts. I don't know if
anybody still makes these contacts. It would be hugely
expensive to have custom ones made, but if they are still
being made they might not be too bad. I'm not sure
3D-printed housings would be strong enough for this, but
maybe if ABS they would. Of course, there might actually
still be somebody making clones of the DEC connectors. They
used basically the same design for PDP-8, PDP-11, KL10, VAX,
etc. Certainly, there were people cloning them back in the
1980's. Winchester made the official ones for DEC.
> Objectives
> The basic board set as original. M8300, M8310, M8320 etc.
> Same form factor
> Plug compatible ? but board contents can differ from original
Well, this could all be done with one FPGA, but if you want
to do each PC board separately, a modest CPLD or small FPGA
would certainly do each board's functionality.
Jon
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>
>Sheesh!!
>Well what a response.
>This stems from my (so far) successful major over haul of my PDP-8/e.
>I found one failed 7474 and one failed 8881 ? replaced and now working.
>I think I have the rim loader toggled in and will attempt to send a paper tape image from Hyperterm
>Strangely I do have at least three genuine complete 4k memory sets.
>
>The eightstoration will continue.
>
>However I began to think would it be possible to create a close copy of an 8/e out of modern parts.
>As you all know I make front panels so that?s not a problem.
>I did manage to copy my (distorted) bezel in resin.
>A friend has been able to 3D print toggle switch leavers that fit and work.
>...
Could you (or your fried) tell us more about "A friend has been able to 3D print toggle switch leavers that fit and work"?
I have need to do the same :-<. And I don't have a 3D printer, either.
paul