test-drb March 2016

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by eric＠swenson.org

While I don't know of any GCOS 8 systems out there, Multics does include a GCOS batch simulator. Some customers of Multics used it (in preference to GCOS) because it was actually faster. While I can't vouch for the completeness or correctness of the GCOS batch system's working under the emulator, we know that at least some of it works, as the "map355" command needed to assemble the FNP image works under emulated Multics, and it uses the GCOS simulator to perform the assembly. There is also a GCOS TSS subsystem under Multics, but we have reason to believe that it isn't working quite right yet. There must be some difficult-to-find emulator bug that is causing issues when running commands under TSS. Feel free to check it out. -- Eric Message: 33 Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 20:51:28 -0800 From: Zane Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Any word on the Multics revival front? Message-ID: <1D0736B9-F398-40BC-AA8E-8DAF80A62C88 at aracnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Mar 11, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kevin Monceaux<Kevin at rawfeddogs.net> wrote: > > OI hadn't checked on Multics progress in quite a while. Yesterday I > discovered that the DPS-8/M emulator at: > > https://SourceForge.net/projects/dps8m/ > > is far enough along to boot Multics. I thought some folks on this list > might be interested in it. What I?d like to know is if any copies of GCOS-8 exist in the wild. That?s what I?d personally really like to boot on the emulator. I used to be able configure all the IOP?s, IOM?s, CPU?s, etc. from memory, power them up, and boot GCOS-8. Zane

10 years

Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks -smecc

by dave.g4ugm＠gmail.com

The panels would be pretty much un-used Unlike 360 panels these were hidden behind doors for most of the time. Assuming the work the same on a Multics box as on a regular L66/DPS box the only time they were really used was if you split a 2 x CPU system into 2 x 1 CPU system, or changed the memory configuration from interleaved to non-interleaved. Pretty sure you could IPL >from the console. Dave From: COURYHOUSE at aol.com [mailto:COURYHOUSE at aol.com] Sent: 12 March 2016 11:53 To: jws at jwsss.com Cc: spacewar at gmail.com; dave.g4ugm at gmail.com; charles.unix.pro at gmail.com; jwsmail at jwsss.com; cctalk at classiccmp.org; Kevin at RawFedDogs.net; healyzh at aracnet.com; couryhouse at aol.com; couryhouse.smecc at gmail.com Subject: Honneywell multics? from panels. the inline phots in this message folks -smecc ok sent to all the people cc on the multics stuff.. will not go though on main listserv probably here are some of the panels think there is more there are at least 2 of each type one set will make display her at smecc museum in az the other set??? maybe someone want to wire into an emulator <<<grin!>>> aside from a little dust and bad lighting these things look like they were pretty unused thanks ed# www.smecc.org <http://www.smecc.org>

10 years

VMS 4.4 source code microfiche

by lyokoboy0＠gmail.com

I purchased a DEC VMS 4.4 source code microfiche set a while back. A buddy of mine works at a local library where there is a fancy microfiche scanner, I'm planning to scan it all. Some of the film is scratched pretty bad, does anyone else around here have this set, so that i can recover the full page set? --Devin

10 years

OT: lenses (Was: Front Panels - PDP8 and PDP 11

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

I wonder if the tele tessar was a true tessar design or just a use of 'the name' ? I have seen snipits in google referring to it being a true telephoto... with a true tessar formula lens IS NOT. ok the norm for the hassleblad was a80 mm f 2.8 planar... in the rolliflex the tessar was the entry level lens... the planar the upgrade. my first 'real' camera was a 1933 rolliflex with a f3.5 tessar. not bad at all but a little soft wide open. I still have this camera. and the low shutter speeds are a little slow but OTW rest is fine.. In HD I bought an argus c3 from my geometry teacher for $8 and used it a lot more shots per roll and would operate eye level and had a pretty good split image rangefinder.. the lens was decent too. when I went in USAF sold the C# to my brother but kept the rolliflex ( wish I had saved both! as the argus shot some of my first press work) adn when in USAF got a SLR. messages in the bin? then add my address to your contact list?! the address In a message dated 3/10/2016 8:31:43 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, mgariboldi at gmail.com writes: 2016-03-11 4:25 GMT+01:00 <COURYHOUSE at aol.com>: > Hasselblad did not use tessar. tesar was a good lens but certainly > not the hi end > ed# > Incorrect. There were various, like the *Tele-Tessar*, which appeared for Hasselblad. (By the way, your messages usually end up in my bin. Just so you know...) - MG > In a message dated 3/10/2016 8:01:07 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > mgariboldi at gmail.com writes: > > 2016-03-10 16:59 GMT+01:00 Zane Healy <healyzh at aracnet.com>: > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2016, at 11:37 PM, Paul Anderson <useddec at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Popular or Modern Photography 20 or 30 years ago had an article on the > 10 > > > best lens ever made. I think Zeiss made 3 of them, and they were the > only > > > company with more than one. > > > > One of my all time favorite lenses is the Hasselblad 80mm f/2.8 Planar C > > lens made by Zeiss. Even their low-end Tessar lenses are awesome. > > > > Anything made for Hasselblad could hardly be called 'low-end'. (A bit > like > a 'low-end' SGI, there was basically never such a thing... certainly not > in > terms of original cost.) > > The only truly low-end Carl Zeiss optics are probably the *Pentacon* > series, made by the post-WW II Carl Zeiss Jena branch of the GDR. > > > Take a look at the Sony a7 series of bodies, people are using RTS lenses > on > > them. You can put almost anything on them, and they?re a full frame > > sensor. I know that the wider lenses might have some fringing issues at > > the edges. > > > Which (affordable) lens *doesn't* have imperfect edges, especially > completely analog lenses without any in-camera digital correction. (This > can also be done afterwards, if one knows the possible distortion values.) > > The Sony a7-series aren't exactly cheap. More affordable and rather good, > too, are ?4/3 cameras, especially in conjunction with a focal reducer, if > the crop is too much of an obstruction. I gain an extra stop of light, on > top of reducing the crop, with my M42/Praktica thread mount lenses. My > thorium-coated Asahi Pentax Super-Takumar 1.4/50's maximum diaphragm is > effectively widened to an impressive ?/1. On top of that I have in-body > image stabilization, good high ISO handling and other features, all at the > fraction of the cost. On top of that, I can exchange my lenses with my > dedicated ?4/3 Super 16 digital film camera. > > > > > I?ve started looking seriously at the a7 series, as it would allow me > to > > use a lot of lenses I have, that I can currently only use on 35mm film > > bodies. > > > > Nothing prevents you from using a full frame lens on a smaller (e.g. > APS-C) > sensor body. The crop isn't always a negative, sometimes it can change a > mediocre tele-photo prime into an excellent one. > > > > > Since I started shooting more than just Nikon, it?s a lot harder to find > > Nikon lenses I really like. The only AF lens I really like is the > Nikkor > > 50mm f/1.4G, at f/5.6 it can compete with my 50mm Summicron. > > > > At ?/5.6 only? Well, that's rough... > > - MG >

10 years

Any word on the Multics revival front?

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

ok have sent panel photos to those on this multics convo anyone else can email me for some or talk to the others do not thing thins list passes images? seems these are like he ones in Jim's link below. we have 2 sets... one we will display here the other set is up in the air... maybe someone would like to wire it into a big H emulator! <<<grin!> would listen to all offers...Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC In a message dated 3/12/2016 3:06:52 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, jws at jwsss.com writes: On 3/11/2016 11:45 PM, COURYHOUSE at aol.com wrote: > I have front panels for Honeywell huge black and white with tons of > tiny switches and leds. > > kind of like these > http://www.glennsmuseum.com/components/pics/multics_panel_cu2.jpg > > http://www.glennsmuseum.com/components/pics/multics_panel_cu1.jpg > > some have more white areas is from a 6000? dps8? 8000? > It looks a lot like one in the collection which contained the one I have. This has my panel, as well as ones from when it was listed on Ebay. The black panel looks like it might be similar to the one you are referring to. http://jimsoldtoys.blogspot.com/2016/03/honeywell-6180-system-maintenance-pa nel.html thanks Jim

10 years

Any word on the Multics revival front?

by COURYHOUSE＠aol.com

I have front panels for Honeywell huge black and white with tons of tiny switches and leds. kind of like these http://www.glennsmuseum.com/components/pics/multics_panel_cu2.jpg http://www.glennsmuseum.com/components/pics/multics_panel_cu1.jpg some have more white areas is from a 6000? dps8? 8000? I know some of the large Honeywell machines were used for MULTICS but trying to figure what panels which machines it was run on as an op sys. Guess I should know more as my computer business was 2 miles away >from the plant these were made in in phx but I was too busy working on and selling HP stuff.. I have tried to find a site that had a definitive group of the panels on it to use as an ID tool. Oddly it seems we have 2 of each type and as I remember there are 4 or 5 large ones to a set? ( plus some small ones) Drop me a note! any help appreciated Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) . In a message dated 3/11/2016 10:11:43 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, charles.unix.pro at gmail.com writes: On Fri, Mar 11, 2016me at 9:02 PM, jwsmobile <jws at jwsss.com> wrote: > > > On 3/11/2016 8:51 PM, Zane Healy wrote: > >> On Mar 11, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Kevin Monceaux <Kevin at rawfeddogs.net> wrote: >>> >>> OI hadn't checked on Multics progress in quite a while. Yesterday I >>> discovered that the DPS-8/M emulator at: >>> >>> https://SourceForge.net/projects/dps8m/ >>> >>> is far enough along to boot Multics. I thought some folks on this list >>> might be interested in it. >>> >> What I?d like to know is if any copies of GCOS-8 exist in the wild. >> That?s what I?d personally really like to boot on the emulator. I used to >> be able configure all the IOP?s, IOM?s, CPU?s, etc. from memory, power them >> up, and boot GCOS-8. >> >> Zane >> > The problem with GCOS is that there isn't a history I know of that it was > anything but Honeywells property. A lot of negotiation and persistence on > the part of many folks went to getting it to where the Multics code could > be released. And it was lucky to be saved @ MIT and the CHM with > donations. > > I don't know of anyone with GCOS when it has been mentioned over the > history of the discussions about this hardware. > > Many thanks to Harry and Charles for writing the emulator, and to the > others reviving the system. > > I plan to have a 6180 panel at VCF West and an original 645 board from the > first Multics system for show and tell. > > thanks > Jim > > I was tentatively planning to be at VCF West with a Multics emulation, and as much real hardware as I can chase down (I/O selectric OPCON, maybe a tape drive, a line printer, ?) Maybe we can hook up a beaglebone to your 6180 panel? -- Charles

10 years

today's haul

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

A system I have always wanted (spent much of my career working on) has finally been acquired. A Prime (Pr1me) model 2250 aka "rabbit". The cpu chassis is in the foreground. I do have the bezels (they were removed for shipping). In the background you can see the rebadged cipher F880 in the same type of rack that will sit next to it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070638 at N02/25084207344 I'm told it has two 158mb priams, an ics1, and either 1mb or 2mb ram. Will post more pics when I get around to opening it up. Best, J

10 years

Free file downloads

by sales＠elecplus.com

I just found this download site. It includes drivers, games, etc., and many programs and drivers for Win NT and up, Linux, and Mac. No spyware or crapware, just good files. Maybe not old compared to a lot of posts here, but there are drivers for many very old cards for very old Win systems. http://www.oldergeeks.com/downloads/index.php Cindy --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

10 years

tops20 assembly tutorials

by dave＠661.org

Would someone please point me towards a tutorial of some sort on running the assembler on TOPS20 as presented in Mark Crispin's Panda distribution? -- David Griffith dave at 661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

10 years

Panels Update - Relese Notes 8/e (A and B)

by rodsmallwood52＠btinternet.com

*_Relese Notes 8/e (A and B) Drilling _*1. The keylock hole has been pre drilled to make sure the art work lines up 1.1 This hole has not been beveled inside as the method of doing it has only just been devised and missed the panel run. However the fix is not difficult. A fine grit conical grinding wheel does the job with no damage to the panel. 2. The switch spindle hole has not been predrilled due to the following issue: 2.1 DEC did an ECO to replace the selector switch. Instead of six positions starting at 12 o'clock and steps of 36deg anticlockwise going to 6 o'clock. (A type panel) They used a switch that started at 15deg anti clockwise from top centre (12 o'clock) and that goes in 30deg steps finishing 15deg short of bottom centre (6 o'clock ). Now the hole position no longer lies on the vertical line between top centre and bottom centre. Its offset to the right due to the crossing position having moved due to the change of angle. They then did something strange. They redrew the top and bottom lines between the 15deg position and what would have been the circle crossing point of the original descending vertical line. That made it worse. In the end they just drilled the hole very oversize and hid the line under the skirt of the knob. I only have a key and lamp board for an A type panel so I can't tell if when they changed to the new switch they moved it to the right to take care of the change of angle. So for B type I chose to draw the lines at the correct angles. A switch spindle located at the intersection of the lines would then move through the correct angles You can now drill the hole to suit your spindle position Rod Smallwood

10 years

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