test-drb May 2015

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Framebuffer driver for RDI BriteLite IPX?

by derschjo＠gmail.com

Hi all -- Sent this query to the Rescue list last week, no bites. Any Sun fanatics here have any ideas? (Linux/OpenBSD appear to support it, but I'd rather keep the OS vintage-appropriate. For some reason...) Got myself an RDI BriteLite IPX; a "laptop" (a generous description) based around a stock SPARCStation IPX motherboard with a very large laptop-style enclosure around it, a 640x480 active-matrix LCD (very pretty) and a gigantic lead-acid battery. It has a handle, so it's portable! Anyway -- I have it up and running and I have SunOS 4.1.4 installed on a fresh hard disk (the original drive was long gone when I got it). Unfortunately, the LCD framebuffer is unrecognized by SunOS; it identifies itself as cgRDI and it's a custom SBUS board that drives the 640x480 LCD. From what I've been able to dig up this driver was packaged as "RDIlcd" by RDI but I can't find it, of course. Anyone happen to have this archived somewhere? Any other ideas? Thanks, Josh

10 years, 10 months

Online Access to Running AOS/VS Offered

by steve＠stephenmerrony.co.uk

I've had a lot of help from all over the world getting my Data General MV/2500 up and running, so it's time to give a little back... I am now able to provide on-line access to my operational MV/2500 DC to individuals who make reasonable requests for it. Currently the machine is running AOS/VS 7.70 and has little other than the base software installed, although most of the NADGUG library contents is available. I am not willing to run the MV/2500 24x7, so operational times will be by mutual agreement. I strongly suggest using DasherQ to connect. Access is via telnet provided by a Raspberry Pi acting as a serial-to-network gateway to real serial ports (I don't have TCP/IP on the machine yet). If anyone would like access to the machine please email me stating why you would like access (even if it is just for nostalgia!) and what time zone you are in. Steve -- /Stephen Merrony Email: steve at stephenmerrony.co.uk http://www.stephenmerrony.co.uk/dg/

10 years, 10 months

Memory options for an HP 1000 (HP 21MX / 2112A)

by marc.verdiell＠gmail.com

Yes I was asking myself the same question, and your answers continue to help a lot. I think I should retrace the path of technology evolution. Start getting it up with paper tape tests and BCS. That probably means working mostly in assembly and getting to know the most basic level of the machine. Which is just about what the doctor prescribed. Then add the mag tape for which I have the tape and the cards. I got a 7900 disk though (with cables and power supply, but no interface cards to go with it!). I'd love to get that one going later on. Then it would make sense to have the bigger memory to run disk based OS systems. So 7900 interface card and memory are definitely on my hunt list... By the way I also have a punched card reader which I just restored. Documation ML600, but the exact same model that HP re-branded I believe. Do you know which interface cards I need to connect it to the HP-1000? I suppose one of the 16 bit IO ones with a driver to go with it? Sorry to keep picking your brain, but that is so much more efficient than trying to piece it together (usually wrong at first) from an disorganized pile of documentation! Marc From: "J. David Bryan" <jdbryan at acm.org> >> So I might be in the hunt for the cards or alternate solutions you >> mentioned. >I'd suggest that the question to answer first is whether you want to expend >the effort and expense to gather the moderate amount of additional hardware >necessary to run one of the more advanced disc-based OS versions that can >use DMS. Note that the design of the memory mapping hardware in the 1000 >requires explicit software support (i.e., programming of the DMS hardware) >in order to use more than 32KW of memory. Earlier OSes that did not >support DMS will simply ignore all memory in the machine over 32K, even >when DMS is present. >With the hardware you have, you can run a paper-tape based OS, such as BCS >(the Basic Control System) in 24K. BCS is fairly primitive, but it does >offer an assembler, FORTRAN IV, and ALGOL compilers, and paper-tape BASIC >interpreters were also available (from the user contributed library). >The hardware requirements for running the disc-based RTEs are listed on >these HP Computer Museum pages: > http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?sw=565 > http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?sw=566 > -- Dave

10 years, 10 months

Monitor wanted (was Re: 8-bit Computer TV Channel Use)

by spacewar＠gmail.com

On Sat, May 23, 2015 at 9:36 AM, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: > Would you like some of the REAL monitors? They will do all sorts of bizarre I'd like some of the REAL monitors, such as an NEC Multisync 3, that can do VGA *and* NTSC-rate analog RGB. At some point the monitor companies stopped bothering to make them handle horizontal scan rates below 30 kHz.

10 years, 10 months

More HP-1000 Parts - Get 'em while they last!

by hpfparts＠yahoo.com

I recently posted reference to a page on my personal web site listing HP-1000 assets for sale. There was a flurry of interest. As of this afternoon, the last of a half-dozen boxes were shipped to the new owners of many of these items. Thank you to everyone for their interest and thank you for your patience. Several individuals have expressed interest in acquiring more parts. The good news is that I still have items left. The bad news is that the 256k and 128K memory boards, +True In/Out, Term, Timebase, Error Correct, FPP Arith, and FPP control cards are all gone. So consider this fair warning: If there is something else you need to restore your system or to build a reserve of spares, now is the time to grab it before it's gone, too. The inventory sheets have been updated on my site to reflect what is left. Some items are being offered piece-by-piece, some I'd prefer to sell as a set. Details are on my site. www.hpfriedrichs.com/hpfparts/hpfparts.htm 73, Pete AC7ZL

10 years, 10 months

Logic Analyzer software for the HP 10342B pre-processor

by marc.verdiell＠gmail.com

>From: Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us> > Is it on this disk? > http://www.keysight.com/main/software.jspx?ckey=sw574&lc=eng&cc=US&nid=-5369 02556.536879990&id=sw574 No, but a generous member of this list sent me the files off line. Is this a helpful group or what. I am all set. Marc

10 years, 10 months

54 TK50 tapes on eBay

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Johnny Billquist <bqt at update.uu.se> wrote: > The TK50 normally do not gum up. There are two problems with them, and > those problems have been around since day 1. > The first one is that the heads get dirty. Cleaning with isopropanol or > similar with a lint-free pad solves that just fine. > The second problem is that the tape pickup gets unhinged. Remove the > covers and then you can fix that easily. So much for "YMMV": jkunz and I must have had some really bad tapes back then at the VCFe a couple of years ago. When we tried to read them (in a TK70, I think - does that make the difference?), they slowed down the mechanism, produced a squealing sound and stuck to the head to the point where in some cases the tape (carrier) broke in some cases. We did clean the head and tape guide parts with IPA several times only to get the same problem again. I'm sure he can elaborate a bit more about the tapes and the equipment used but I think I have it mostly correct. So Long, Arno

10 years, 10 months

Sanyo Denki 1402-B2 (paper tape drive)

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

anyone know how to hook these up? has controllers to talk to a Shibaura VMC-45 with a Tosnuc 600 control picked it up for 50 bucks in near mint condition localy this week and i'd like to hook it up to my laptop to back up every tape i got at this time

10 years, 10 months

Seeking keyboard for Compaq Portable

by dave＠661.org

Does anyone here have a spare keyboard for a Compaq Portable? -- David Griffith dave at 661.org A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?

10 years, 10 months

HP 9144A and three QIC tapes available for free

by p.gebhardt＠ymail.com

Hi list, 3 years ago, I picked up an HP 9144A QIC tape drive with HP-IB interface. It came with three 16-track QIC tape drives. I never found the time to connect it to my HP 9000-300 and realized that I will probably never make use of it, which is why I'd like to give it to some other collector's hands who is interested. I powered up the drive for 2 hours, no smoke, the fan was running as expected. Nothing else tested. Picture of the actual three tapes which come with the drive: http://www.digitalheritage.de/OTHER/20141223_155006_tn.JPG I forgot to take pictures of the drive, but will do it, as soon as I can access it next week again. In the mean time, here is another one of the tape drive (not mine): http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=257 The drive weights 9kg (20 lbs). First come, first serve. Drive and tapes are for free. You have to pay shipping costs or come to pick it up. Location is Bonn, Germany. Kind regards, Pierre ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pierre's collection of classic computers moved to: http://www.digitalheritage.de

10 years, 10 months

network event

by jwest＠classiccmp.org

Yesterday afternoon we had a "network event" on our storage network. Traffic was flowing, but with severe drops in connections. We believe we have most - but not all - resolved at this point. Unfortunately, in the thick of battle production machines come first so classiccmp server sat down for a while and was just brought back up. Apologies for the inconvenience.. Going to sleep now. J

10 years, 10 months

Looking for RL11 (Unibus RL02 controller)

by derschjo＠gmail.com

I've been using my lone RL02 with my QBus systems, I'd love to be able to use it with my 11/34 as well. (If anyone has a spare RL02 *drive* I'd be interested as well...) I have various DEC stuff for trade, drop me a line if you have one going spare. Thanks! Josh

10 years, 10 months

Memory options for an HP 1000 (HP 21MX / 2112A)

by marc.verdiell＠gmail.com

Dave, Super useful info again. In the meantime the machine has arrived, in very good shape. I'll post pictures when I have time tomorrow, and a video hopefully. I took a quick look inside to confirm - there is a DCPC and a MEM protect card - Memory controller is an older 2102A - Three are three 8k 2102A memory boards - No MEM card in slot 112 - Under the processor board there is a screwed on card, which seems to have ROM on it. Microcode I presume, but I don't know if that's the one you were talking about. I'll post photos to confirm The IO cards and the paper tape reader / punch that came with it suggest that it was configured with a paper tape reader, a paper tape punch, a mag tape and a TTY interface. A plausible story is that this was an early machine setup for paper tape and TTY and didn't have extended memory. The early 2102A controller fits that picture well. So I might be in the hunt for the cards or alternate solutions you mentioned. Marc From: "J. David Bryan" <jdbryan at acm.org> On Tuesday, May 19, 2015 at 23:12, Marc Verdiell wrote: > Thanks, very useful info, and the manual is indeed what I was missing. You're welcome. > But now where to find the DMS, with two cards in particular, that's > not going easy to find both that match... First, are you sure that the machine does not have DMS installed? It was a very common option that became standard later on, as all versions of the RTE operating system after RTE-II (circa 1976) required it. Second, if the machine originally came with DMS but was stripped for resale, then possibly only the MEM card (in slot 112) was removed. The firmware card is screwed onto the CPU board on the underside of the machine and is only accessible if the bottom cover is removed. So maybe it was overlooked, and the availability of MEM cards is likely to be reasonable, as the same card (but with different firmware) was used in the E/F-Series machines. Third, if the machine has neither DMS part, then indeed finding an M-Series DMS firmware card might be difficult. However, DMS firmware was also included with the later M-Series Fast FORTRAN Processor firmware (product number 12977B). Again, the FFP was a common option, and availability of that card might be better than the older standalone DMS firmware card. Fourth, if you can find a standalone MEM card, the M-Series DMS/FFP firmware source is part of the HP 1000 Software Collection on Bitsavers, so you could burn the required firmware PROMs and install them on a 12791A Firmware Expansion Module card, which plugs into the I/O backplane and cables to the CPU board. Both the FEM and the MEM were used on E/F-Series machines, so availability should be reasonable. Finally, the simplest HP operating system that used DMS (RTE-III) had additional hardware requirements: a Memory Protect card, a Dual-Channel Port Controller (i.e., DMA) card, one of several console I/O cards, a Time- Base Generator (i.e., clock) card, and either an HP 7900A or 7905/06/20/25A hard drive and its associated I/O interface(s). The latter may be the most difficult and expensive part. You can avoid the hard drive and use Ansgar Kueckes' HPDrive emulator with an HP-IB I/O card, but that requires RTE-IVB as the minimum OS, which requires at least 96KW of memory (128KW if you want to do anything other than boot the system :-). MP and DCPC also were exceedingly common options, so I'd be surprised if your system didn't contain them, unless they've been stripped out for resale. Without DMS, you're limited to 32KW. In that, you could run (with some additional hardware, most notably an HP hard drive) DOS-III or RTE-II. Without a hard drive, you'd be limited to running one of several paper tape or mag tape-based HP OSes. There are third-party OSes that run on the 1000, but I know nothing about them. At least software is no problem; virtually everything that HP developed for the 2116/2100/1000 machines is available via the Bitsavers collection. -- Dave

10 years, 10 months

8-bit Computer TV Channel Use

by nf6x＠nf6x.net

I've been brainstorming about hypothetical hardware for converting video from vintage 8-bit computers to drive modern monitors well, with support for all of the dirty tricks like color aliasing that many of them used. One of the things I would like to understand is the range of RF frequencies used by the machines that connected to ordinary televisions. My old Color Computer used US VHF channels 3 or 4 for NTSC video. I found a reference to the ZX Spectrum using UK UHF channel 35 for PAL video. What other channels were used all over the world by 8-bit home computers (and video games, too, I suppose), and which TV standards were used with them?

10 years, 10 months

Wanted: ASM-48 for Intellec MDS-2

by mainpatents＠gmail.com

That just sounds wrong to me applying +25v to do a read/verify. You're misinterpreting the datasheets. Richard

10 years, 10 months

hp 1820-7730 datasheet? HP-PB J2146A LAN interface, SOT23 part missing

by Arno_1983＠gmx.de

Hello Folks, with a bunch of HP 9000 equipment, I received a HP-PB "802.3 10Mbps LAN" card that was missing the 10base2 BNC connector and the SOT23 SMD part directly behind it. No idea why and by whom they were removed. A BNC socket was easily found in one of my parts bins, but what about the SMD component? My first idea was this might just be some sort of transient protection device (I've seen a really old ISA NIC fitted with a neon bulb next to the BNC for that purpose!) but there probably is a bit more to it, as pin 1 connects to BNC Center and to pin 7 on the PHY (U18, NatSemi SS9130AP also HP house-marked as 1820-7730), pin 2 is BNC shield/ground *and pin 3 goes to pin 5 on the PHY*. Unfortunately I was not able to find a datasheet for the PHY that would probably give an example circuit - can anyone please either point me to that or, if they have an example of that card available, look up the marking of that SOT23 device for me? Card would be for my HP9000-K100 PA-RISC, for which I'm also looking for one of the graphic options. One keeps popping up in the US 'bay but the (commercial) seller wants real money for it - add S&H to old europe and it's waaay out of my confortable range. Thanks in advance, Arno

10 years, 10 months

Reading/Verifying the Intel 8041A

by mainpatents＠gmail.com

The Intel AFN-00188B Datasheets for 8041A/8741A specify that EA max is 24.5V. The verify mode for "PROM/ROM" holds EA high at 23V. The 8048/8748 Datasheets say EA is 32V for 8748 Verify but need only be +12V for 8048. Richard

10 years, 10 months

New PDP 11/44 pics, interior card cage

by billdeg＠buzz1.com

I mentioned earlier I had an ebay auction running for an 11/44 and there were questions about the interior card cage. I uploaded new pics. Here is what I could discern from the photos I took of the interior card cage's cards M7856 M7819 M7814 M7258 M7258 M7258 M7297 / M7298 M9202 M7295 ?? ?? M7819 When I posted the original listing I assumed incorrectly that all of the computer cards were in the 11/44 and the internal cage was for the few backup tape drive interface connectors. Apparently I was way off. The new pics help explain what the 11/44 was doing before being taken out of service.. Ebay: 271869650084 (ends later today) new pics: vintagecomputer.net/digital/PDP11-44_2nd/

10 years, 10 months

More stuff that can't be shipped

by jnc＠mercury.lcs.mit.edu

> From: Cindy Croxton > Piles of OLD DEC stuff Like what? Like most people on this list, I'm far enough away that I can't just drive over (especially on such little notice), but if there's something good there, perhaps a local DEC collector can help, or I could pay someone to go get it. But without having _some_ idea what's there.... Any cables? (Those seem to usually be in short supply.) Any chance of some pictures, if you have no idea what's what? Noel

10 years, 10 months

More stuff that can't be shipped

by sales＠elecplus.com

Couple of Kaypro ( and 2 and a II) Several old 80386? Compaq luggables A supersonic testing machine of some sort A Sperry mainframe? Size of washing machine A plotter with only 10 hours on it A DG Pent Pro server An OLD HP emulator with LOTS of thick SCSI type cables Piles of OLD DEC stuff Plotters, HP, new in box, 6 or 8 pens, I forget which, IBM badged Lots of other old things, like the computers and terminals in the Halt TV show NIB but very old network stuff No way to ship, someone please bring wallet and truck/trailer J Must be gone by Monday. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-792-3400 phone sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

10 years, 10 months

the 2 old original IBM machines

by sales＠elecplus.com

8088 computers, one has 2 floppies, 1 has 1 floppy and 1 hdd. Both fully tested and functional. No keyboards now, but there is an original IBM mono monitor, and the printer. I do NOT want to ship; these will not survive UPS very well. We are about 1 hour from San Antonio. Make a good offer, take them home. Lots of software to go with these. Must be gone before Monday. I will be at the warehouse all weekend. Also 2 NIB 14" amber VGA monitors. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-792-3400 phone sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

10 years, 10 months

An 80286 motherboard, NIB

by sales＠elecplus.com

Found another goodie, saved from the scrapper. VLSI high performance Baby AT Turbo mainboard 12 MHZ Zero-Wait Up to 4MB DRAM 6x16-bit and 2x8-bit ISA slots Will require a separate hard/floppy controller, video card, memory, CPU, and 80287 if you want one. Supports 360kb, 1.2MB, 720KB, and 1.44MB floppies Includes manual. Note: this motherboard does NOT have slots for 30-pin or 72-pin memory. They all need to be socketed chips, which I do NOT have. Make an offer, take it home! I also have new hard/floppies controllers, still in the box. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 830-792-3400 phone sales at elecplus.com AOL IM elcpls

10 years, 10 months

Interactive Baseball/Don Daglow

by cclist＠sydex.com

WikiP under the "PDP-10" subject claims that Don Daglow wrote the first computer baseball game in 1971. I don't think that this is accurate; do any old CDC-ers out there remember the BAT PP program on every CE's MACE deadstart tape? I believe that it preceded Daglow's game by a couple of years. I know this may chafe some of the DECfans out there, but I think the claim is simply not accurate. --Chuck

10 years, 10 months

Memory options for an HP 1000 (HP 21MX / 2112A)

by marc.verdiell＠gmail.com

Thanks, very useful info, and the manual is indeed what I was missing. But now where to find the DMS, with two cards in particular, that's not going easy to find both that match... >> ...the recently posted IO manual says it can support ... up to >> 1.28M. >From: "J. David Bryan" <jdbryan at acm.org> >That's correct, although the machine must be equipped with the Dynamic >Mapping System (DMS) in order to access more than 32KW. For the 2112, DMS >is product number 12976A. It consists of a card (the HP 12731A Memory >Expansion Module) that plugs into slot 112 in the front card cage) and >another card that contains microcode that implements the DMS instructions; >the latter mounts to the main CPU board at the bottom of the chassis... >The "Standard Performance Memory >Systems Installation and Service Manual" (5955-4310 April 1979) details the >requirements; it's available from Bitsavers in the "1000" subdirectory. > -- Dave

10 years, 10 months

Proud owner of a SDK-86, now what

by orgwood＠iaxs.net

I was an Intel salesman and have this board...I have lots of docs, serial monitor, chess PROMs but no keyboard monitors. Do you have the BIN files for them to fit in 2716s? I can scan, copy eproms, anything to help you if you can help me. Thanks, Dave http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/2015-January/002410.html http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/www.bitsavers.org/bits/ http://www.intel-vintage.info/apps/blog/ Original Woodworks 4631 Lake Ave., White Bear Lake, MN 55110 By appointment only! (651) 429-2222 www.originalwoodworks.com orgwood at iaxs.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

10 years, 10 months

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