test-drb August 2014

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Help building a DOS system for ImageDisk

by nf6x＠nf6x.net

I'm trying to put together a DOS system on which to run the ImageDisk software, as found here: http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/img/index.htm The ImageDisk documentation recommends at least a 486-class system for best results, although it'll run on an original PC: "ImageDisk requires a DOS based PC with an AT type floppy controller. Although ImageDisk will run on a 4.77Mhz PC/XT type machine, some of the analysis functions are real-time intensive and best results will be obtained with a 486 class machine or better." ImageDisk is naturally finicky about its floppy controller, since it uses modes that are not normally employed for MS-DOS disk formats. After studying the list of controllers known to work well with ImageDisk, I ended up buying an Adaptec AHA-1522A SCSI controller on eBay, because it's built-in floppy disk controller happens to be a good one for this application. It's a 16-bit ISA card. I thought I already had a computer to plug it in to on my junk pile, but those all turned out to be much too new, with PCI slots only. Thus, I'm looking for some help looking for a machine that I can buy for running ImageDisk on. I don't want to waste space with any old arbitrary no-name clone machine; I'd like to get something that has some collector appeal all by itself, besides its utility for running ImageDisk with that AHA-1522A. The only PCs I'm familiar with that particularly interest me on their merits would be the original IBM PC and PC-XT. Those seem like they would be under-powered for this application according to the ImageDisk documentation, though. I hope that somebody who's more familiar with vintage PCs than I am can help me find a machine that meets these goals: * Must have at least one 16-bit ISA slot to accept the AHA-1522A board. * Must be able to disable any on-board floppy controller so that the AHA-1522A's floppy controller will not conflict with it. * Should be "486 class" according to the ImageDisk notes... yeah, I know that's a bit of a nebulous requirement. * It would be nice if it has an IDE controller so I can use an IDE to CF adapter in place of any hard drive. * It would be nice if I can use an SVGA LCD monitor that I already have with it. * It would be nice if I can use the Model M keyboard with PS/2 interface that I already have. * I really, really, hate orange Compaq displays. :) * Preferably not too huge. * Preferably not too expensive, and something I'll be able to find in short order on eBay or from another collector on this list. * I'd just run DOS on it, and I wouldn't care at all about things like mice, sound, etc. * Not a no-name clone; something that has some unique collector appeal of its own. This will be hard to satisfy, as I consider the "486 era" to have been an especially boring era of computing. :) * It'll be helpful if the case is easy to open, since I'd regularly need to plug in various disk drives, even including 8" ones. Do any of y'all have suggestions? -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X <nf6x at nf6x.net> http://www.nf6x.net/

10 years, 4 months

Data beyond EOT on tapes

by jws＠jwsss.com

This is about 4mm tapes, and as we know is very dependent on the state of the tape media, and the firmware / mechanics of the drive. But it is a nice discussion of this guy's experiment. http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~plonka/sysadmin/backup.html Jim

10 years, 4 months

National Semiconductor DM8130 datasheet

by billdeg＠buzz1.com

>> Subject: Re: National Semiconductor DM8130 datasheet Message-ID: <53E19207.6050408 at bitsavers.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > On 8/5/14 5:51 PM, Eric Smith wrote: >> It might be in National's 1976 TTL data book, which I don't have. >> > It's there. I'll copy it to bitsavers tonight Coincidentally I checked...did not see it in my copy of the 1974 book for National. bill

10 years, 4 months

National Semiconductor DM8130 datasheet

by spacewar＠gmail.com

Does anyone have the National Semiconductor DM8130 datasheet? I think it's just a different temperature range of the DM7130 ten-bit comparator, and I've got data for that, but I'd like to confirm it. It might be in National's 1976 TTL data book, which I don't have. Thanks! Eric

10 years, 4 months

OpenVMS Hobbyist License

by johnwallace4＠yahoo.co.uk

> Message: 10 > Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2014 16:32:11 +1000 > > From: Huw Davies <huw.davies at mail.vsm.com.au> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: OpenVMS Hobbyist License > Message-ID: > <F24829EF-C54A-40D7-94DB-0E97889E8F11 at kerberos.davies.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > What I wonder is whether the hobbyist license program will continue > > now that development has been transferred to a third party. Also, if > > the announced x86-64 port happens, will any future hobbyist license > > cover it? > > I sat in on the conference call announcing the changes (it was 4am locally but I have a professional interest both in my current role and as a former HP OpenVMS person). > > IIRC the hobbyist program was mentioned (as well as the CSLG) and they are both continuing. > > Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies at kerberos.davies.net.au > Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the > Australia | air, the sky would be painted green" > ven at cix.co.uk ? > GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven > > MSN: lproven at hotmail.com > ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven > > Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) ? +420 702 829 053 The VSI folks posted something to twitter the morning after the concall, confirming that the hobbyist program would continue and indeed likely be extended (whatever that may mean). Who knows how to find (not very) old twitter posts? I don't. Suggestions? Speaking of old, and speaking of HP... it's quite a while now in HP terms (specifically, Nov 2013) since HP announced that they would be porting Tandem's NonStop environment to run on x86-based servers. So HP aren't entirely against carrying on developing old skool software if it has some pedigree and some customers and some $$$: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/11/04/hp_to_port_nonstop_to_x86/ Have a lot of fun John Wallace

10 years, 4 months

FS: SGI Tezro quad-processor graphics workstation with max. RAM, professional video I/O, 10-GbE, FC and more ...

by mgariboldi＠gmail.com

Anyone interested in a quad-processor, 700-MHz 64-bit R16000, Silicon Graphics Tezro tower visual workstation? (From ca. 2006, still seeing some use in some studios, who haven't moved to Linux or Mac yet.) I'm hereby offering mine and the specifications of my system are as follows: - 8 gigabytes of (exclusively) 'premium' RAM; - SGI VPro V12 XIO graphics card plus _DCD_ daughterboard; - SGI DMediaPro _DM3_ XIO /and/ _VBOB_ (video break- out box) plus _DM5_ daughterboard, /including/ the special, and rare, *LVDS cables* (white and black); - SGI RAD (RADical) AES/EBU 24-bit multi-channel PCI audio board *plus break-out cable*; - SGI 2-port RS-232/RS-442 O3000 serial I/O expansion PCI board; - LSI LS949X _4-gigabit_ dual-channel FC-AL (fiber- optical) PCI-X HBA, including transceivers; - LSI LS1068 3-gigabit octo-channel SAS PCI-X HBA, with SFF-8484/SAS<=>SFF-8482/S-ATA converter and power splitting Molex cables optionally available; - Neterion/S2io "XFrame II" _10-gigabit_ ethernet PCI-X NIC, with 10GBASE-SR (fiber-optical) transceiver included; - DVD-ROM drive (IDE/ATA, SGI part-numbered, seen little use as it was a later addition and the Tezro came without the DVD-ROM drive originally); - 2 * SGI O300 (Intel-type) disk sleds present. Needless to say it's capable of running the latest version of IRIX (i.e. 6.5.30), as this was the last workstation by SGI, as you may likely already know. Below is additional, and more detailed, information from the IRIX commands "hinv", "gfxinfo" and "diskpatch" (in that order). ---------------------------------[TOF]--------------------------------- 4 700 MHZ IP35 Processors CPU: MIPS R16000 Processor Chip Revision: 2.1 FPU: MIPS R16010 Floating Point Chip Revision: 2.1 Location: /hw/module/001c01/node/cpubus/0/a CPU 0 at Module 001c01/Slot 0/Slice A: 700 Mhz MIPS R16000 Processor Chip (enabled) Processor revision: 2.1. Scache: Size 4 MB Speed 350 Mhz Tap 0xc Location: /hw/module/001c01/node/cpubus/0/b CPU 1 at Module 001c01/Slot 0/Slice B: 700 Mhz MIPS R16000 Processor Chip (enabled) Processor revision: 2.1. Scache: Size 4 MB Speed 350 Mhz Tap 0xc Location: /hw/module/001c01/node/cpubus/1/a CPU 2 at Module 001c01/Slot 0/Slice C: 700 Mhz MIPS R16000 Processor Chip (enabled) Processor revision: 2.1. Scache: Size 4 MB Speed 350 Mhz Tap 0xc Location: /hw/module/001c01/node/cpubus/1/b CPU 3 at Module 001c01/Slot 0/Slice D: 700 Mhz MIPS R16000 Processor Chip (enabled) Processor revision: 2.1. Scache: Size 4 MB Speed 350 Mhz Tap 0xc Main memory size: 8192 Mbytes Instruction cache size: 32 Kbytes Data cache size: 32 Kbytes Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 4 Mbytes Location: /hw/module/001c01/node/memory Memory at Module 001c01/Slot 0: 8192 MB (enabled) Bank 0 contains 1024 MB (Premium) DIMMS (enabled) Bank 1 contains 1024 MB (Premium) DIMMS (enabled) Bank 2 contains 1024 MB (Premium) DIMMS (enabled) Bank 3 contains 1024 MB (Premium) DIMMS (enabled) Bank 4 contains 1024 MB (Premium) DIMMS (enabled) Bank 5 contains 1024 MB (Premium) DIMMS (enabled) Bank 6 contains 1024 MB (Premium) DIMMS (enabled) Bank 7 contains 1024 MB (Premium) DIMMS (enabled) Integral SCSI controller 3: Version SAS/SATA LS1068 Disk drive: unit 0 on SCSI controller 3 (unit 0) Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 3 (unit 1) Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 3 (unit 2) Disk drive: unit 3 on SCSI controller 3 (unit 3) Integral SCSI controller 4: Version Fibre Channel LS949X Port 0 Disk drive: unit 0 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 0) Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 1) Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 2) Disk drive: unit 3 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 3) Disk drive: unit 4 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 4) Disk drive: unit 5 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 5) Disk drive: unit 6 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 6) Disk drive: unit 7 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 7) Disk drive: unit 8 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 8) Disk drive: unit 9 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 9) Disk drive: unit 10 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 10) Disk drive: unit 11 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 11) Disk drive: unit 12 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 12) Disk drive: unit 13 on SCSI controller 4 (unit 13) Integral SCSI controller 5: Version Fibre Channel LS949X Port 1 Disk drive: unit 0 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 0) Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 1) Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 2) Disk drive: unit 3 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 3) Disk drive: unit 4 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 4) Disk drive: unit 5 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 5) Disk drive: unit 6 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 6) Disk drive: unit 7 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 7) Disk drive: unit 8 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 8) Disk drive: unit 9 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 9) Disk drive: unit 10 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 10) Disk drive: unit 11 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 11) Disk drive: unit 12 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 12) Disk drive: unit 13 on SCSI controller 5 (unit 13) Integral SCSI controller 2: Version IDE (ATA/ATAPI) IOC4 CDROM: unit 0 on SCSI controller 2 Integral SCSI controller 0: Version QL12160, low voltage differential Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0 (unit 1) Disk drive: unit 2 on SCSI controller 0 (unit 2) Integral SCSI controller 1: Version QL12160, low voltage differential Tape drive: unit 4 on SCSI controller 1: DAT IOC3/IOC4 serial port: tty3 IOC3/IOC4 serial port: tty4 IOC3/IOC4 serial port: tty5 IOC3/IOC4 serial port: tty6 Graphics board: V12 10 Gigabit Ethernet: xg1, module 001c01, 133 MHz PCIX bus 3 slot 2 Integral Gigabit Ethernet: tg0, module 001c01, PCI bus 1 slot 4 Iris Audio Processor: version MAD revision 1, number 1 Iris Audio Processor: version RAD revision 13.0, number 1 PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x1000, device 0x0054) PCI slot 1 PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x1000, device 0x0640) PCI slot 1 PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x1000, device 0x0640) PCI slot 1 PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x17d5, device 0x5831) PCI slot 2 PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x10a9, device 0x100a) PCI slot 1 PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x104c, device 0xac28) PCI slot 2 PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x1077, device 0x1216) PCI slot 3 PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x14e4, device 0x1645) PCI slot 4 PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x1412, device 0x1724) PCI slot 2 PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x10a9, device 0x0005) PCI slot 1 PCI Adapter ID (vendor 0x10a9, device 0x0003) PCI slot 2 XT-DIGVID Multi-standard Digital Video: controller 0, unit 0, version 0x0 IOC4 firmware revision 79 IOC3/IOC4 external interrupts: 1 Location: /hw/module/001c01/node/hub HUB in Module 001c01/Slot 0: Revision 2 Speed 200.00 Mhz (enabled) Dual Channel Display Location: /hw/module/001c01/node/prom IP35prom in Module 001c01/Slot n0: Revision 6.210 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Graphics board 0 is "ODYSSEY" graphics. Managed (":0.0") 1920x1200 BUZZ version B.2 PB&J version 1 128MB memory Banks: 4, CAS latency: 3 DM5 attached to Dual Channel 0 Monitor 0 type: Unknown Dual Channel Display option Monitor 1 type: Unknown Monitor 2 type: Unknown Input Sync: Voltage - Video Level; Source - Internal; Genlocked - False Channel 0: Origin = (0,0) Video Output: 1920 pixels, 1200 lines, 50.00Hz (/usr/gfx/ucode/ODSY/vof/1920x1200_50.vfo) Video Format Flags: (none) Sync Disabled Using Gamma Map 0 Monitor Type: unknown Gain (all color components) - 0.000000 ; range [1,10] Channel 2 (physical port 1): Origin = (0,0) Video Output: 1920 pixels, 1080 lines, 50.00Hz (1080I_50) Video Format Flags: (none) Sync Disabled Using Gamma Map 0 Monitor Type: unknown Channel not blanked - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - sc4d0l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d13l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d4l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d11l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d1l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d3l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d2l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d5l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d12l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d8l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d7l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d9l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d10l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc4d6l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d0l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d13l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d4l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d11l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d1l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d3l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d2l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d5l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d12l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d8l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d7l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d9l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d10l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc5d6l0: Disk HPQ BF14658244 HP02 Serial: ******** sc0d1l0: Disk ATA Crucial_CT240M50114P Serial: ******** sc0d2l0: Disk ATA Crucial_CT240M50114P Serial: ******** sc3d0l0: Disk ATA Samsung SSD 840 BB0Q Serial: ******** sc3d1l0: Disk ATA Samsung SSD 840 BB0Q Serial: ******** sc3d2l0: Disk ATA Samsung SSD 840 AB0Q Serial: ******** sc3d3l0: Disk ATA Samsung SSD 840 AB0Q Serial: ******** ---------------------------------[EOF]--------------------------------- The system, video break-out-box, cables and the rest are all in excellent shape (only some scuff marks on the exteriors). There are no broken plastics, all LEDs and such work, all parts are included (like the DM3 board bulkhead and such, nothing is 'freefloating'), all fans are working and so forth. The system has mostly run on an APC UPS and has since quite some time been running solely on more energy-efficient S-ATA SSD disks, including the system disks, through ACARD UltraSCSI<=>SATA converters (although I'm not sure yet if I'm willing to sell it with these disks included, unless someone can persuade me with a reasonable enough offer). I additionally may also be willing to part with other equipment, I have things like the following: - SGI O3000 2-gigabyte RAM kits, spares; - SGI dual-processor 700-MHz 64-bit MIPS R16000 node board, kept as a spare after an upgrade; - Broadcom BCM5704 [b]dual-port[/b] gigabit ethernet (1000BASE-T/TX, copper) PCI-X NIC, naturally IRIX compatible; - SGI DMediaPro DM10 (FireWire IEEE-1394a) PCI board; - Wacom Intuos and Intuos2 graphics digitizer tablets, various types and sizes, with serial interfaces (needless to say, for SGI/IRIX usage); - SDI o several audio/video interfaces (please contact me for more information); o various lengths of, proper 75-?, BNC cables and terminators; - FC o various disk storage systems (including of HP and Ciprico), mostly 2- and 4-gigabit, with disks, (fiber-optical) transceivers, PSUs and spare disks included (please contact me for more information); o various lengths and types of cables, including several LC, one LC<=>SC and a few 'InfiniBand' types; o HP bi-directional FC<=>SCSI bridge (ask for more information); - SCSI o LSI Ultra320 HBA (at least one, but I may have more), compatible and firmware flashed in IRIX; o disks, many 300-gigabyte Ultra320 models with 80-pin SCA/SCA2 interface; o HVD and (mostly) LVD/SE terminators, including several Ultra320 ones; o cables, all sorts of types and lengths (also SCSI conversions); o tape drives, including various types of DAT/ DDS (particularly Sony DAT40/DDS-4 types) and an external Quantum/Certance Ultrium LTO-1 full-height unit; - Neterion/S2io "XFrame II" _10-gigabit_ ethernet PCI-X NICs, with 10GBASE-SR (fiber-optical) transceivers included (I have a good amount of these, please contact me for more information). There's more, that I'm probably forgetting to mention. Either way, if any of this interests you (or if you're wondering if I perhaps may have something to your interest that I forgot to list), feel free to contact me about it. Lastly, the system is located in the Netherlands and I'm willing to ship. If you're interested, send me a private message and feel free to ask for more information and to make a reasonable offer. - MG

10 years, 4 months

MAJOR OpenVMS News!

by rodsmallwood52＠btinternet.com

Hi all There's something about all of this that does not feel right. How big is this outfit? I can't see how they are going to support mission critical software on a world wide basis. HP are now absolved from any future new VMS promises they may have made. Where do Microsoft fit in this. Finally will they endorse the hobbyist VMS program? Rod Smallwood ----Original message---- >From : healyzh at aracnet.com Date : 04/08/2014 - 15:39 (GMTDT) To : cctalk at classiccmp.org Subject : Re: MAJOR OpenVMS News! On Aug 4, 2014, at 12:51 AM, "John H. Reinhardt" <johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> wrote: > If you have an hour of your life to give here is a recording of the announcement meeting along with a Q&A session afterwards. > > <https://connect-community.site-ym.com/resource/resmgr/2014_OpenVMS_Bootcamp…> > > John H. Reinhardt Thanks for the link, now I just need to find an hour that I can spend listening to it. I just checked and VSI has updated their site, it now appears to be 'live'. http://www.vmssoftware.com/ Here is the FAQ that VSI just posted. http://www.vmssoftware.com/news/announcement/faq.pdf Zane

10 years, 4 months

OpenVMS Hobbyist License

by mtapley＠swri.edu

All, this matches my experience. I actually did manage to find my DECUServe member number in old emails. Less than three minutes later, I had the PAK?s in my in-box. I?m normally not inclined to complain when somebody gives me something this nice for free, and this is absolutely no exception; they seem to be in quite a *hurry* to give me something nice for free? Kudos to all involved! - Mark On Aug 1, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Eric wrote: > It took less than ten minutes from when I submitted the hobbyist program > signup form with DECUServe member number to when HP sent me the > license PAKs. Total time from starting the DECUServe signup process > was less than twenty minutes.

10 years, 4 months

Complete PDP-11 QBUS Board Set now available in Minneapolis

by vmssys＠hushmail.com

A complete PDP-11 QBUS Board set is available in Minneapolis. Scheduled to go to recycling in a week. See post titled: "Unique DEC VAX System now available in Minneapolis, MN" or http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/sys/4595287377.html for details.

10 years, 4 months

Anyone have a intrest in Tek 4696 In Jet printers

by g-wright＠att.net

I have a few? to many that are in the way.? These are small Desk top printers. 1986 vintage Contact me off the list - Jerry g-wright at att.net

10 years, 4 months

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