test-drb June 2013

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Silly disclaimers (Was: discontinuance of VMS

by jonas＠otter.se

On Sat, 8 Jun 2013 10:41:29 -0700 (PDT), Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: >>>> > >>THIS MESSAGE IS PROTECTED BY THE ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS PRIVACY ACT, 18 >>>> > >>U.S.C. ?? 2510 ET SEQ. THIS MESSAGE IS INTENDED ONLY FOR THE INDIVIDUAL OR > On Sat, 8 Jun 2013, Cory Smelosky wrote: >> >No idea. I didn't even know about this act...I think I should have. > Why? > Legal citations in email signatures are not likely to have any voracity. I should hope not. I would hate to be eaten by a mail signature. /Jonas

10 years, 11 months

discontinuance of VMS

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

I am still looking for a "horse's mouth" reference, but it seems HP has just given the VMS community the finger. "Ric Lewis at HP sent out a letter basically saying VMS is dead. Support up through 2020, but 2016 is the last sale of VMS- supported hardware." Now, of course, "will only be sold for 2.5 more years and will only be supported for 6.5" doesn't exactly say "dead" to me; it says "WILL EVENTUALLY BE dead", but still, this does kinda suck. But it's awesome that it lasted this long. From 1978 until 2020 is a great run in this industry, one for the history books. And I'll be running it, God willing, well after that. (if I'm still breathing!) (Now we get to watch all the stupid suits who equate "no longer sold" with "doesn't work anymore". Heh.) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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NeXT schematics?

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

Does anyone know if the schematics for any of the NeXT 68K machines have been spotted in the wild? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

10 years, 11 months

Functional programming - Re: NetBSD's i386 support, was Re: [cctalk] Old UNIX Systems

by seefriek＠gmail.com

From: Jason Howe <jason at smbfc.net> > > On Thu, 6 Jun 2013, Toby Thain wrote: > > > On 06/06/13 11:02 PM, Mouse wrote: > >> FP is an important tool, both for the sake of the tasks it _is_ a good > >> fit for and for the sake of the mind expansion learning it produces (in > >> those who do manage to get their heads around it). > > > > It's simple to teach and use. > > > This is a joke, right? > > It really is a different way of thinking that's not easy for some folks to > pick up. I'm interested to hear your your approach which makes > functional programming simple and easy. > It's not completely a joke. I live in that world these days. We've definitely found that folks whose foundation is in procedural languages (or assembly, and I count myself solidly in that crowd) have much more difficulty wrapping our brains around FP paradigms. Not all of them...some folks are just naturals and pick it right up, but it involves letting go of a lot of habits. The insult when I was coming up was "nice, you can write Fortran in C (or Pascal)". Now it's "nice, you can write C in Scheme/Python/Ruby" (and, no, I'm not interested in going down the rabbithole of whether you think Python and Ruby are FP "enough"). However, for folks coming to it fresh(er), and in particular from other disciplines (mathematics, biology, social sciences, etc.) they don't seem to have nearly as hard a time dealing with the abstractions FP brings to problem solving. For these folks, the higher level abstractions map more closely to how they're looking to solve problems, and they're getting remarkable, world impacting results (See: bioinformatics and python). Things I perhaps could, but would not want, to try and solve in C. But I wouldn't want them to write an OS. So....not just right tool for right job, but right mind/approach/adaption for right job. KJ

10 years, 11 months

286/SLT and HDDs

by brain＠jbrain.com

Good news, after dremeling the Dallase RTC and performing minor surgery to add an external coin cell battery, the 286/SLT is not complaining at me on boot. Double bonus, the 21.4MB HDD looks to be operational and boots to DOS Triple bonus, the diag disk I made works, and cleaned up all of the errors from not having a battery for so long. Quadruple bonus, I've temporarily connected a 40GB 2.5" drive, fdisked (to 528MB), formatted, and booted off said drive (regular 3.5" drives suck too much power and just overwhelmed the little PSU in the machine, even newer 160GB eco-models.) So, my questions: Is there any value in keeping the larger drive in the unit? I would like to install Windows 3.1, DOS, some utils, etc., and I don't know if all that will spill out of 21MB or not. If the larger drive is in the unit, what would be suggestions on accessing the rest of the disk? I assume DOS will never see more than 528MB, since I had to tell the BIOS it was a COMPAQ drive type 42, which is 528MB. I thought maybe Windows could see the rest of the space once out of real mode, or maybe using the DOS from Win95 and formatting FAT32 might help. I remember there being drive extenders at some point, but I never used one (thankfully, all of my machines understood LBA). Thoughts appreciated. Permanently replacing the 21MB drive means doing some soldering on the little funky power cable used in the unit, so I'd rather not mess with it unless there is some value to the additional space. Still, regardless, it lives, and research suggests the external KB connector is XT, so I can use this to test an AT->XT converter project I wanted to implement. Jim -- Jim Brain brain at jbrain.com www.jbrain.com

10 years, 11 months

SCSI to IDE (S2I) prototype PCBs have arrived!

by LYNCHAJ＠YAHOO.COM

Hi! Thanks! Sorry for the many delays. I am very behind on projects and appreciate your patience. Here is the latest information on the free/open source SCSI to IDE and SD converter. Thanks to Wayne and other builders, the early prototype is working and can emulate a Seagate ST125N 20MB SCSI-1 hard drive. In theory, the S2I should be able to emulate almost any SCSI-1 device so this is really just a "proof of concept" indicating it can and does work. We are looking for additional builders to participate in the project to help expand the capabilities of the S2I device. Especially those with legacy SCSI-1 machines willing to build and test the S2I board. http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/page/62549548/S2I%20Firmware%20Status http://n8vem-sbc.pbworks.com/w/browse/#view=ViewFolder&param=SCSI2IDE There are five (5) of the bare S2I PCBs available. The PCBs are gratis with the understanding the builder will build and test the S2I prototype board. Do you want a bare S2I PCB to build and test a prototype S2I? If so please send me your shipping address. Thanks and have a nice day! Andrew Lynch

10 years, 11 months

FORTH fans rejoice

by michael.99.thompson＠gmail.com

> > From: Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> > Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2013 11:33:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: FORTH fans rejoice > On 6/6/13 11:39 PM, Nigel Williams wrote: > >> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 6:51 AM, Jason T <silent700 at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> New scans have been posted at our document archive of the Interactive >>> Computer Systems OmniFORTH manuals, as well as those for its >>> predecessor, fig-FORTH: >>> >> >> Great work! >> >> are you or is anyone tracking down the seminal FORTH implementations >> and creating a repository for preservation? >> >> >> > I'm not signing up for this, but CHM did just get a rather large donation > of > FORTH docs and a couple of the LSI FORTH boxes, to go along with about > three > boxes of docs that I bought at the last west coast VCF. > My introduction to Forth was being a member of the IEEE-1275 Open Firmware committee. I was more than a little surprised at my first meeting when the chairman, Mitch Bradley, started singing the Open Firmware Song<http://www.openfirmware.org/ofwg/misc/ofwsong.au> . -- Michael Thompson

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Old - HP 1000 Series Servers RTE - A990, A900, A700, A600, A400 - L, E, M, F servers

by jesse＠cypress-tech.com

Hello, I'm Jesse at Cypress Tech, this is a quick intro... Our company sells HP 1000, 3000, 9000, and Itanium series hardware. If anyone out there is still supporting HP 1000 and needs a supplier of parts, we can help. We have a large volume of HP 1000 parts and servers. below is a link to a site that I set up to HP 1000 series hardware hp1000 (.) us Thank you Jesse Dougherty Cypress Technology Inc jesse at cypress-tech (.) com

10 years, 11 months

Kobo Aura HD

by shadoooo＠gmail.com

Hello. I have an Aura, and I have to say that the display is very good, really better if compared to Kindle PW, or Kobo Glo. And another planet respect the older 800x600 panels. The reader itself is very good for the price, it was a very good choice I think. An a good reason to take it amongs ereaders is the possibility to tweak it very easily (standard linux inside, removable internal microSD to avoid risk of bricking it, easy access to root filesystem, very well supported processor). I'm waiting to see some good application to read PDFs (with row/column mode and text reflow) ported to it. Andrea

10 years, 11 months

odd ball video cables

by sales＠elecplus.com

MD Sisk and Associates 781.837.6198 michael.sisk at verizon.net These guys have VGA to BNC, RCA to BNC, etc. Good people to deal with. Cindy Croxton Electronics Plus 1613 Water Street Kerrville, TX 78028 (830)792-3400 phone (830)792-3404 fax AOL IM elcpls _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6390 - Release Date: 06/06/13

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test-drb June 2013