test-drb March 2013

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by woyciesjes＠sbcglobal.net

Mouse --- Is all okay with your servers? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Failure Notice Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 22:00:25 -0000 From: MAILER-DAEMON at yahoo.com To: woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address. <mouse at rodents-montreal.org>: Mail server for "rodents-montreal.org" unreachable for too long --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Received: from [66.94.237.195] by nm20.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 21:58:23 -0000 Received: from [68.142.198.207] by tm6.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 21:58:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Mar 2013 21:58:23 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1363903103; bh=0Jsqb4xukiAvB6ZgvReWY1rhyHbsBaeuEZBC9tsQpP4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NgGLDupFXpIBY50EvcRYAV7NPtRAeA5NtJLgZHv+5FkgRJLGk9S/UwHtXS0jqMXY+NEuC8nibCDirbtAVPpGbFikgTpiBzzNuUnXI3++A+QCzaqJwhGGCVZx6yaXzk+rSqEQuliCGaSybthKa+GlvdwcAy/1SczPm/CvlIUQOJg= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 467025.55886.bm at smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: joYMzwUVM1m1e7AXJJRIE4ZEmUlBGBS_0IW3wJOgrSS1PC4 QEOgOvwgzDZIkfTXPLnbkvY3BG5VaOA8thWslul6X7f1Eis4rLb2pRBkybmg O0cSbWBzgD9eWvWz2ySPXZMXledO2B6rawlg7LGPm268r_lSjJ25CTN2Nt45 xVBpBbxnr_.nP.G25mkI99.nUVABzbiiR2zxagPfJUHFPsp5g5JfVGc1oeN1 _FkbnTL3m1FsagNMq2c86ARuFdNIeSrOAI._RwmssLc7c5VxdbuIPzzf1lIH nKaEMdUgG.UClAxIc3xkU0t6OcZT5jDV2xQoKzLd2FdLpYlOqjQ3Uf8bLFo6 zdjReIrad12enCvPEQCIOh7R2T23GtIepFk1IxNiglwXYzeTudawnDa1VIvx hlXglrHOjMGI3QhmjbGW2e5HIUCekeUQbRl3cYY6lyvImV6CXmj.4oWcyzjL YWJyJ5VSyVUurxwmzM3Wa_gNRiyhYHmaYheVCThj4c0e8g2OWlh3relXnxU7 JNa7kioxwbO7p5eV5AI2oSzG9q4VX5o8DGwqZPLV5wbwoqJCcGEgMfXlZ0Xm NFOYte.Wf_.Ffk9nqtXXbk2H3OXBMJ.7FW9O31Ac- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 1vdsNA6swBDwgbjTvnGKq3DnmhPsZKBlBgRRz0jp5jZHz6WjPA-- X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.1.70] (woyciesjes at 75.37.158.43 with plain) by smtp111.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2013 14:58:23 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <514B8281.1020802 at sbcglobal.net> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 17:58:25 -0400 From: Dave Woyciesjes <woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Subject: Re: I'm baack... References: <514B4AF6.1070207 at sbcglobal.net> <201303212143.RAA02946 at Sparkle.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> In-Reply-To: <201303212143.RAA02946 at Sparkle.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 3/21/2013 5:43 PM, Mouse wrote: >> Well, it's been about a 3 year hiatus from the list for me... >> How many of the old farts & curmudgeons are still around? ;) > Not sure I count, though I have been feeling increasingly curmudgeonly > in recent years. But I'm still here. Good to see. Yeah, I think I recall you being a touch curmudgeonly occasionally. ;) >> One burning question, has the list's definition of a classic computer >> been updated from the 10 year rule? > I don't recall seeing the question discussed either way recently. > That's a surprise. -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ Registered Linux user number 464583 "...Talking to you is like clapping with one hand." Anthrax, "Caught in a mosh" -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- AIM - woyciesjes --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech - http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst - http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ Registered Linux user number 464583 "Computers have lots of memory but no imagination." "The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back." - from some guy on the internet.

11 years, 1 month

Mid-Atlantic Retro Open House Weekend - Swap and Workshop 5/18-19/13

by billdeg＠degnanco.com

As you know VCF E was cancelled this year, but now that power will be available we're going to hold an "open house" May 18th and 19th. WHERE: InfoAge Science Center (infoage.org) in Wall Township New Jersey 9032-A (same as last VCF Exhibit room) WHEN: May 18th 9AM through May 19th until ?? WHAT: A combo-swap meet and workshop (a.k.a. vintage computing hackfest) Half the room will be tables for working on computers. Half the room will be for consignment. We'll charge $5 if someone is merely attending, or $10 if they're bringing something to sell or repair. We'll also take 10% of sales as a consignment fee. (This income is for the club's general budget, not for food.) We will NOT do is let strangers drop off computers for us to repair. This isn't free service weekend. We will expect the MARCH veterans to serve at least some of their time during the weekend as mentors. So basically it's just like our standard work weekends, except it'll be open for outsiders to join in, and we'll formalize the "stuff available" tables so the club makes some money. OMARC's hamfest is May 18, down the street at the TIROS dish campus, from 7-11am. Our event will start at 9am. Both events will refer people to other. As at our past work weekends, this also isn't a party. we'll make some plans for light meals, but food/drink is strongly discouraged in repair/sales tables. Also discouraged are people who attend just to hang out. We might have some sort of evening "thing" TBD (We have a lot of good ideas, we'll announce soon) Just for extra caution, all attendees in the work area will sign a liability waiver. I know you're all smart and careful, but who knows with the general public... Some people may choose to bring their own items to repair. Others may opt to work on MARCH systems (you must have permission). Still others may want to be open for helping everyone else, or some combination of the above. Let me or Evan Koblentz know if you have questions - I can be reached via http://www.vintagecomputer.net/contact.cfm Bill

11 years, 1 month

Oy vey! Gross mischaracterizations of our hobby.

by evan＠snarc.net

It pains me to criticize "the media" because I'm in it. But ... recently I was grossly misquoted by the financial site Bankrate.com, re: any value in vintage computing. http://www.bankrate.com/lite/smart-spending/collecting-items-as-an-investme… I don't even recall anyone from that site ever contacting me! I think the write just copied information that I told another financial site, Minyanville.com, two years ago: http://www.minyanville.com/special-features/articles/old-computer-apple-com… Bankrate's story says that a desktop PC from 1998 could be a valuable collectible, with the implication that I'm the source of such nonsense. It also says that sky-high early Apple prices are "the excitement" that "led to" formation of groups like MARCH. (As many (most?) of you know, MARCH formed back in 2005, solely to allow collectors in our region to meet, tinker on vintage computers, and have fun.) We retrocomputing folks will never have the numbers of the Beanie Baby people, but, help a brother out: go to the Bankrate story, scroll down to find my comment, and vote it "up" by clicking the caret symbol underneath and to the left of the comment. More bad news: the story was picked up by Fox Business, where presumably many more people will see it than on Bankrate, but where there's no comment system. Soooo, a bunch of people will see the Fox version and get the idea that Pentium Windows 98 computers are ** L@@K R at RE !! and worth BIG BUCKS over on eBay. Oh, joy. http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2013/02/27/five-collectibles-to… Please know that it's not my fault. ;) - Evan

11 years, 1 month

For free/for sale: 5150/5160 PSU, Apple IIe card

by fraveydank＠gmail.com

Of course, I forgot to mention: shipping from Philadelphia, PA, USA (19146). The Apple IIe card may already be claimed. - Dave

11 years, 1 month

IBM I/O Selectric project

by steve＠tronola.com

Hi Lawrence, Thank you for the interesting pics and videos of the Selectric terminal. Not long ago I tossed an IBM model 50 electronic typewriter, which I had had since 1988. Have felt bad about that ever since. Now I feel worse! :) It wasn't working though, and I didn't know how difficult it would be to convert it into a terminal. By the way, the uneven spacing you were seeing is something that it would do, when the proportional spacing (PS) selector was set wrong. (Unlike many Selectrics, the model 50 did support PS.) Also enjoyed your pages on the IBM 360 model 30. Having just finished reading the excellent book, "IBM's 360 and Early 370 Systems," by Pugh, et al, the additional coverage of the "baby" model really hit the spot. Your VHDL implementation of that machine is truly stunning! All the best, Steve L.

11 years, 1 month

For free/for sale: 5150/5160 PSU, Apple IIe card

by fraveydank＠gmail.com

I have two things that may be of interest to list denizens: IBM 5150/5160 power supply (part no. IBM-1501461). Appears to work if given a load, but I don't have a 5150 or an XT to test it with. Dirty, but it worked fine when I pulled it from an XT in about 1996. Free for the price of shipping. Apple IIe LC-PDS card, with breakout cable. I don't seem to be able to find the time to play with this, so I'll sell it for a pittance. Name your price and we'll see if my version of "pittance" lines up with yours. I have several functioning LCIIs as well, one of which I'll throw in free for shipping. Also, those of you who requested 5.25" 1.2M drives from me but haven't given me your address: they are still sitting more or less ready to ship in the basement. I'd like to free up some space for other things. - Dave (off-list replies, please, unless you have reason to spam the list)

11 years, 1 month

VAXStation 3100 M76 Bootroms Disk Size?

by cctech＠beyondthepale.ie

> > OpenBSD is currently installing (flawlessly so far) but I think I'll know > in approx an half hour if I can boot the installed OS. > OpenBSD has sized the a partition with 900Mbytes so all the needed files > for booting should be below 1 GB. > The other thing you have to worry about is dumping. VMS uses the console ROM routines to write system dumps and these can end up in the wrong place on disks larger than 1GB on VS3100s. I don't know what unix does but if it has a dumpfile, it would be good to keep it below the 1 GB line also. Regards, Peter Coghlan.

11 years, 1 month

VAXStation 3100 M76 Bootroms Disk Size?

by holm＠freibergnet.de

Hi all, I've got some ugly dirty VAXstation lately, an 3100/M76 and two 3100/M38 (if I remember correctly). I've cleaned the M76 and got it to work. Inside is an 200MB RZ24 Disk ans since I want to boot some Unix this is pretty small. I have a bunch of IBM DCAS3330 4Gig disks that where a good fit I think, but there is a problem with the System disk size on the VS3100.. The limit is coming from using six byte SCSI commands instead of the then byte versions in the boot software. I googled a litte and found this: >:Yes. It's a limitation imposed by the boot ROMs. Just ran into it >:(again!) a few weeks back and DEC reminded me yet again. Some confusion >:exists because -- I think -- some models of the 3100 were >:field-upgradable to have a new ROM set capable of supported >1 GB boot >disk. > > No member of the *VAXstation* 3100 series support system disks larger > than 1.073 gigabytes, and there are no ROM upgrades available. > > There are some members of the *MicroVAX* 3100 series that support or > can have console ROMs upgraded to support system disks larger than > 1.073 gigabytes. I do have KA43 V1.2 Bootroms in the M76, so the question is: Are there newer ROM versions than 1.2 und is there support for larger System disks? Burning Roms is no problem. Does someone have a newer firmware version? I know that I can use the 200MB Disk to boot and use the larger for data, but at least I do have a mechanical problem here, I had to make some plastic Bumpers to mount the additional disk in the VS3100 on the lathe. I would better use the RZ24 in one of my PDP 11's... Kind Regards, Holm -- Technik Service u. Handel Tiffe, www.tsht.de, Holm Tiffe, Freiberger Stra?e 42, 09600 Obersch?na, USt-Id: DE253710583 www.tsht.de, info at tsht.de, Fax +49 3731 74200, Mobil: 0172 8790 741

11 years, 1 month

OT: 1000 year DVD storage

by barythrin＠gmail.com

I think the filesystem format is just called iso 9660. I believe the writer reads the info on the inner plastic and gets the media type since not only does it know the difference in size but it also reads the media speed rating to know not to burn at a higher than x speed (unless the user overrides that setting). ------Original Message------ From: Fred Cisin Sender: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts ReplyTo: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: OT: 1000 year DVD storage Sent: Mar 23, 2013 2:44 PM On Sat, 23 Mar 2013, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > Since a DVD drive can read both a CD and a DVD (as well > as, for many drives, but not all) burn both a CD and a DVD, > the media can't be that different. However, since my DVD > drive is able to distinguish between a DVD blank and a CD > blank, I assume that the media must be somewhat different. Is there some info pre-recorded?

11 years, 1 month

Get a board Xerox 820-II working fine

by enrico.lazzerini＠email.it

Hello everyone, I got a board Xerox 820-II without any other components and without disk controller. After changing the video sync and created a composite video on video i have the correct prompt. I made a keyboard interface to convert a PS2 keyboard in parallel with the same schematic that works well with my Ferguson Bigboard I and the other card Xerox 820-I. I saw that on the xerox 820-II board there are almost 2 ICs with the name Signetics 3341PC (U102 and U101) that are between the U65 (system and Keyboard PIO) and the 72LS74 (U96 and U97) that come to connect to the keyboard input (see sheet 7 of thsi schematic http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/xerox/820-II/Xerox820-II_Schematics.p df). I come to requests: 1) The keyboard does not write. I read on a post that I can not find anymore that without the inclusion of the disk controller card into its slot the keyboard would not write. Perhaps because there is not anymore the continuity of the chain interrupt (see at the bottom of sheet 8 close to U65 into this schematic http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/xerox/820-II/Xerox820-II_Schematics.p df )? 2) If i not find the disk controller card I was thinking about to self-build it on a bareboard hoping that the diagram at the bottom of the last pages at http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/xerox/820/Xerox820_ServiceMan.pdf is accurate. Where can I find a card edge connector male 72-pin 2.54mm pitch? 3) You also have some suggestions for me? Thanks so much Enrico - Pisa - (Italy)

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test-drb March 2013