test-drb April 2012

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To Rob Jarrett, sorry about posting this publically

by ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk

Sorry for psoting this publically, but a private reply to Rob got a bounce 'due to unacceptable content'. OK, I probalby wouldn't talk about soldering iron bits in polite compnay, but I cna think of many worse words to use :-) -tony > > Hello Tony, > > > > If you recall I got a Weller TCP probably just like yours. I have a couple > > of PT-AA8 tips, but they seem a bit too big for working with some of the > > boards I need to work with. > > > > What tips would you recommend for working with the H7140 PSU (and the RD53 > > motor control board)? > > Well I use a PT-AA8 for just about everything. There is a finer one > (PT-O8???) which I use for some SMD work (but a lot of that gets done > with the PT-AA8 actually). > > Certainly it should be OK for the PSU and RD53 boards. > > -tony >

12 years, 3 months

pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

indeed http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1291/boxus.jpg http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/9946/atomcomps.jpg http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg717/scaled.php?server=717&filename=atom005… http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg803/scaled.php?server=803&filename=atom004… http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg189/scaled.php?server=189&filename=handboo… http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/228/2dec.jpg http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg842/scaled.php?server=842&filename=boxsx.j… On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com> wrote: > Adrian Stoness wrote: >> i was bidding on it from the start quite strongly . . . > I switched to JBidwatcher recently, as I have always preferred to > bid against the clock, not other people. > http://www.jbidwatcher.com/ > It is a Java app and will run with Solaris or Linux. ?Launch with: > java -Xmx512m -jar JBidwatcher-2.5.jar > Or if you ahve more mainstream hardware, it runs on Windows or OS X. > It's free. ?I have only used it for a couple of auctions so far, > but have found it works well. ?-For what it's worth. > And on your free pdp8a, I think it is true that the free stuff is > often the best. ?Maybe just because of the hardware itself, or > perhaps also because it was given with an unspoken contract that > you are to take care of it. > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Stoness" <tdk.knight at gmail.com> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction > >>i put a 500$ bid in on that auction didn't expect this and it proly >> shot up that high cause i was biding on it from the start quite >> stronglyv and my bid was based on what i have seen these individual >> items go for so i am kinda shocked >> >> as for freebees i score a free pdp8a my pride n joy of my collection >> and have been aquiring parts for it ever since like rk05's and >> controllors rl02's >> >> as for you talk about freebees mines not as nice as ur stuff but i did >> score a pdp8a with all its software manuals drawings asr33 x2 >> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com> > wrote: >>> I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth >>> more than $1K: >>> eBay auction - >>> "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card" >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746 >>> At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of >>> bidders and the amounts. >>> I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their >>> PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at >>> some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be >>> buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were >>> buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them. >>> A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any >>> longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free. >>> A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a >>> VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of >>> CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each >>> one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter >>> disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100 >>> for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been >>> very educational learning all this old hardware and running the >>> early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these >>> people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see >>> bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000, >>> I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying >>> in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this >>> particular stuff so valuable? >>> Thank you for your time today. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Adrian Stoness" >>> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >>> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM >>> Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction >>> >>>> i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back >>>> 1100 bucks :O >>>> >>> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma= >>> > true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem= >>> &sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc >>>> > >

12 years, 3 months

pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by scott.m.18＠atsgate.com

Adrian Stoness wrote: > i was bidding on it from the start quite strongly . . . I switched to JBidwatcher recently, as I have always preferred to bid against the clock, not other people. http://www.jbidwatcher.com/ It is a Java app and will run with Solaris or Linux. Launch with: java -Xmx512m -jar JBidwatcher-2.5.jar Or if you ahve more mainstream hardware, it runs on Windows or OS X. It's free. I have only used it for a couple of auctions so far, but have found it works well. -For what it's worth. And on your free pdp8a, I think it is true that the free stuff is often the best. Maybe just because of the hardware itself, or perhaps also because it was given with an unspoken contract that you are to take care of it. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Stoness" <tdk.knight at gmail.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:56 PM Subject: Re: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction >i put a 500$ bid in on that auction didn't expect this and it proly > shot up that high cause i was biding on it from the start quite > stronglyv and my bid was based on what i have seen these individual > items go for so i am kinda shocked > > as for freebees i score a free pdp8a my pride n joy of my collection > and have been aquiring parts for it ever since like rk05's and > controllors rl02's > > as for you talk about freebees mines not as nice as ur stuff but i did > score a pdp8a with all its software manuals drawings asr33 x2 > On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com> wrote: >> I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth >> more than $1K: >> eBay auction - >> "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card" >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746 >> At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of >> bidders and the amounts. >> I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their >> PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at >> some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be >> buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were >> buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them. >> A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any >> longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free. >> A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a >> VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of >> CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each >> one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter >> disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100 >> for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been >> very educational learning all this old hardware and running the >> early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these >> people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see >> bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000, >> I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying >> in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this >> particular stuff so valuable? >> Thank you for your time today. >> >> Scott >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Adrian Stoness" >> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" >> <cctalk at classiccmp.org> >> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM >> Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction >> >>> i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back >>> 1100 bucks :O >>> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma= >> true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem= >> &sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc >>>

12 years, 3 months

pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by scott.m.18＠atsgate.com

> On 04/07/2012 01:43 PM, Scott Mickey wrote: >> I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth >> more than $1K: >> eBay auction - >> "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card" >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746 >> At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of >> bidders and the amounts. On Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:20 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: > > Do you know any (for example) classic car enthusiasts? Do you know > any of them who have TRULY rare or historically-significant cars? Ask > them how much they'd pay for parts, or for entire vehicles. But, I > respectfully submit, if you have to ask the question, you wouldn't > understand the answer. > >> I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their >> PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at >> some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be >> buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were >> buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them. >> A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any >> longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free. >> A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a >> VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of >> CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each >> one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter >> disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100 >> for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been >> very educational learning all this old hardware and running the >> early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these >> people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see >> bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000, >> I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying >> in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this >> particular stuff so valuable? > > "I got this amazing, incredible deal once (or even got lucky enough to > get such a deal TWICE!), therefore they're all like that." > > No, I'm sorry, that's not the way it works. You got lucky. Twice. > Don't take it for granted. I know people who would skip meals for the > hardware you listed. I wouldn't, but there ARE computer-related things > I'd skip meals to acquire, with no hesitation. > > Just like any REAL classic car person...except the car stuff is a lot > more common. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > Dave, Thanks for your perspective. Where I live (near Denver), both Maynard Massachusetts and Silicon Valley are a long-long way away, and always have been. I think that is one reason why when older computers go up on craigslist here, I am often the only person to email the seller. I should have stopped at my original question, and left out the info about DEC machines I have acquired, as it completely diverted attention away from what I was asking. I was just shocked by the dollar figure of that eBay auction, and telling my own story is how I reacted. So, back to the question: What were the valuable items in the auction? I don't think it was the books. And I doubt it was the core memory, but I could be wrong. I think it must have been the paper tapes with the original DEC labels. Those are somewhat fragile, and while a computer can sit in a corner for years with little degradation, the same likely cannot be said for the paper tapes. Or maybe people tossed those tapes over the years with little thought, so now they are very rare? But still, $1K, wow! Makes one think twice about tossing anything, doesn't it? Scott

12 years, 3 months

pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

i put a 500$ bid in on that auction didn't expect this and it proly shot up that high cause i was biding on it from the start quite stronglyv and my bid was based on what i have seen these individual items go for so i am kinda shocked as for freebees i score a free pdp8a my pride n joy of my collection and have been aquiring parts for it ever since like rk05's and controllors rl02's as for you talk about freebees mines not as nice as ur stuff but i did score a pdp8a with all its software manuals drawings asr33 x2 On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com> wrote: > I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth > more than $1K: > eBay auction - > "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card" > http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746 > At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of > bidders and the amounts. > I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their > PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. ? However, at > some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be > buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were > buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them. > A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any > longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free. > A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a > VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of > CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each > one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter > disk cartridges. ?I got all of this for free too. ?I did pay $100 > for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. ?It has been > very educational learning all this old hardware and running the > early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). ?I found all these > people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. ? So when I see > bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000, > I am flabbergasted. ?Completely. ? Shouldn't this money be staying > in your retirement account? ?(No offense intended). ?Why is this > particular stuff so valuable? > Thank you for your time today. > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Adrian Stoness" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM > Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction > >> i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back >> 1100 bucks :O >> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma= > true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem= > &sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc >> > >

12 years, 3 months

pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by aek＠bitsavers.org

On 4/7/12 10:43 AM, Scott Mickey wrote: > I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth > more than $1K: > > I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their > PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. > A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any > longer > Shouldn't this money be staying > in your retirement account? (No offense intended) I find your na?vet? refreshing, if offensive. You'll be 'old' some day too. Let's see how you feel when a kid comes along eying your collection. > about KILLED me when I lifted each one by myself Learn about dealing with heavy equipment before you do permanent damage to your back. It's easy to ignore this when you're young and stupid.

12 years, 3 months

pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by scott.m.18＠atsgate.com

I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth more than $1K: eBay auction - "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card" http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746 At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of bidders and the amounts. I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them. A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free. A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100 for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been very educational learning all this old hardware and running the early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000, I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this particular stuff so valuable? Thank you for your time today. Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian Stoness" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction > i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back > 1100 bucks :O > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma= true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem= &sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc >

12 years, 3 months

pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction

by tdk.knight＠gmail.com

i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back 1100 bucks :O http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma…

12 years, 3 months

Bunches of Dell Precisions for sale w'/ 3.5 Floppies

by slandon110＠gmail.com

Hey guys I work for an ewaste company, thought id share what we have in right now 10 Dell Precision 390s 2.4ghz Core 2 Duos 3.5 Floppy Drive- BIOS Supports 5.25 drives as well Dual 160GB SATA HDDs 2GB RAM XP COA on each machine Asking $100 dollars each for them + Shipping or come to my door in Flushing MI and get them Steve

12 years, 3 months

VMS Problem, please help..

by jonas＠otter.se

On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:30:23 +0200, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote: > Hi, > > I've tried to compile the VIM-7.3 Sources on my freshly installed VS4000, > and entered a pitfall here. > Since the C Compiler was complaining that the virtuel memory is exhaustet, > I'veed the PGFLQUOTA for the user to 104826 and the VIRTUALPAGCNT SYSGEN > Value to 2097152 (max was displayed as 4194304) > I've let run autogen and ebooted. > > Now the system ewfuses to boot: > > %SYSBOOT-W-WS default and quota raised to PHD+MINWSCNT > %SYSBOOT-F-VASOV, system virtual address space exeeded > ?06 HLT INST > PC= 00009631 PSL=041F0000 From the VMS error messages manual at http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6023/6023pro_019.html : VASOVF, system virtual address space limit exceeded *Facility:*SYSBOOT, System Bootstrap Facility *Explanation:*The combination of SYSGEN parameters used to specify various capacities within the operating system have pushed the size of the operating system address space over the limit allowed by the VAX architecture. *User Action:*Reduce one of the parameters (BALSETCNT or VIRTUALPAGECNT (VAX only)) that contribute to the virtual address space size required by the OpenVMS system. By using AUTOGEN to set these values for your system, you avoid selection of parameter combinations that cause system space to overflow its architectural boundaries. To recover, perform a conversational boot (i.e. the boot process will let you modify system parameters to recover from a situation like yours). It is described here: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/aa-pv5mj-tk/00/00/34-con.html Use the "booting with default system parameters" section. You probably then need to reduce VIRTUALPAGECNT below the value you have set (which gives a 2GB virtual address space) because the VAX architecture allows max. 2 GB virtual memory and you are probably just over the limit. The VMS documentation is excellent, you will find it online here: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/ and this is a good manual to start with: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/aa-pv5mj-tk/aa-pv5mj-tk.HTMl (you will find it from the page above by following the link "OpenVMS Operating System" to the left. /Jonas

12 years, 3 months

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