Sorry for psoting this publically, but a private reply to Rob got a
bounce 'due to unacceptable content'. OK, I probalby wouldn't talk about
soldering iron bits in polite compnay, but I cna think of many worse
words to use :-)
-tony
> > Hello Tony,
> >
> > If you recall I got a Weller TCP probably just like yours. I have a couple
> > of PT-AA8 tips, but they seem a bit too big for working with some of the
> > boards I need to work with.
> >
> > What tips would you recommend for working with the H7140 PSU (and the RD53
> > motor control board)?
>
> Well I use a PT-AA8 for just about everything. There is a finer one
> (PT-O8???) which I use for some SMD work (but a lot of that gets done
> with the PT-AA8 actually).
>
> Certainly it should be OK for the PSU and RD53 boards.
>
> -tony
>
indeed
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On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com> wrote:
> Adrian Stoness wrote:
>> i was bidding on it from the start quite strongly . . .
> I switched to JBidwatcher recently, as I have always preferred to
> bid against the clock, not other people.
> http://www.jbidwatcher.com/
> It is a Java app and will run with Solaris or Linux. ?Launch with:
> java -Xmx512m -jar JBidwatcher-2.5.jar
> Or if you ahve more mainstream hardware, it runs on Windows or OS X.
> It's free. ?I have only used it for a couple of auctions so far,
> but have found it works well. ?-For what it's worth.
> And on your free pdp8a, I think it is true that the free stuff is
> often the best. ?Maybe just because of the hardware itself, or
> perhaps also because it was given with an unspoken contract that
> you are to take care of it.
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Stoness" <tdk.knight at gmail.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction
>
>>i put a 500$ bid in on that auction didn't expect this and it proly
>> shot up that high cause i was biding on it from the start quite
>> stronglyv and my bid was based on what i have seen these individual
>> items go for so i am kinda shocked
>>
>> as for freebees i score a free pdp8a my pride n joy of my collection
>> and have been aquiring parts for it ever since like rk05's and
>> controllors rl02's
>>
>> as for you talk about freebees mines not as nice as ur stuff but i did
>> score a pdp8a with all its software manuals drawings asr33 x2
>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com>
> wrote:
>>> I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth
>>> more than $1K:
>>> eBay auction -
>>> "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card"
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746
>>> At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of
>>> bidders and the amounts.
>>> I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their
>>> PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at
>>> some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be
>>> buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were
>>> buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them.
>>> A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any
>>> longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free.
>>> A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a
>>> VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of
>>> CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each
>>> one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter
>>> disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100
>>> for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been
>>> very educational learning all this old hardware and running the
>>> early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these
>>> people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see
>>> bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000,
>>> I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying
>>> in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this
>>> particular stuff so valuable?
>>> Thank you for your time today.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Adrian Stoness"
>>> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
>>> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM
>>> Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction
>>>
>>>> i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back
>>>> 1100 bucks :O
>>>>
>>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=
>>>
> true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem=
>>> &sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
>>>>
>
>
Adrian Stoness wrote:
> i was bidding on it from the start quite strongly . . .
I switched to JBidwatcher recently, as I have always preferred to
bid against the clock, not other people.
http://www.jbidwatcher.com/
It is a Java app and will run with Solaris or Linux. Launch with:
java -Xmx512m -jar JBidwatcher-2.5.jar
Or if you ahve more mainstream hardware, it runs on Windows or OS X.
It's free. I have only used it for a couple of auctions so far,
but have found it works well. -For what it's worth.
And on your free pdp8a, I think it is true that the free stuff is
often the best. Maybe just because of the hardware itself, or
perhaps also because it was given with an unspoken contract that
you are to take care of it.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Stoness" <tdk.knight at gmail.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction
>i put a 500$ bid in on that auction didn't expect this and it proly
> shot up that high cause i was biding on it from the start quite
> stronglyv and my bid was based on what i have seen these individual
> items go for so i am kinda shocked
>
> as for freebees i score a free pdp8a my pride n joy of my collection
> and have been aquiring parts for it ever since like rk05's and
> controllors rl02's
>
> as for you talk about freebees mines not as nice as ur stuff but i did
> score a pdp8a with all its software manuals drawings asr33 x2
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com>
wrote:
>> I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth
>> more than $1K:
>> eBay auction -
>> "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card"
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746
>> At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of
>> bidders and the amounts.
>> I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their
>> PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at
>> some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be
>> buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were
>> buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them.
>> A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any
>> longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free.
>> A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a
>> VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of
>> CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each
>> one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter
>> disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100
>> for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been
>> very educational learning all this old hardware and running the
>> early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these
>> people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see
>> bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000,
>> I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying
>> in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this
>> particular stuff so valuable?
>> Thank you for your time today.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Adrian Stoness"
>> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
>> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM
>> Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction
>>
>>> i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back
>>> 1100 bucks :O
>>>
>>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=
>>
true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem=
>> &sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
>>>
> On 04/07/2012 01:43 PM, Scott Mickey wrote:
>> I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth
>> more than $1K:
>> eBay auction -
>> "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card"
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746
>> At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of
>> bidders and the amounts.
On Saturday, April 07, 2012 5:20 PM, Dave McGuire wrote:
>
> Do you know any (for example) classic car enthusiasts? Do you know
> any of them who have TRULY rare or historically-significant cars? Ask
> them how much they'd pay for parts, or for entire vehicles. But, I
> respectfully submit, if you have to ask the question, you wouldn't
> understand the answer.
>
>> I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their
>> PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at
>> some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be
>> buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were
>> buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them.
>> A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any
>> longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free.
>> A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a
>> VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of
>> CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each
>> one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter
>> disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100
>> for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been
>> very educational learning all this old hardware and running the
>> early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these
>> people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see
>> bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000,
>> I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying
>> in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this
>> particular stuff so valuable?
>
> "I got this amazing, incredible deal once (or even got lucky enough to
> get such a deal TWICE!), therefore they're all like that."
>
> No, I'm sorry, that's not the way it works. You got lucky. Twice.
> Don't take it for granted. I know people who would skip meals for the
> hardware you listed. I wouldn't, but there ARE computer-related things
> I'd skip meals to acquire, with no hesitation.
>
> Just like any REAL classic car person...except the car stuff is a lot
> more common.
>
> -Dave
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
>
Dave,
Thanks for your perspective. Where I live (near Denver), both Maynard
Massachusetts and Silicon Valley are a long-long way away, and always
have been. I think that is one reason why when older computers go up
on craigslist here, I am often the only person to email the seller.
I should have stopped at my original question, and left out the info
about DEC machines I have acquired, as it completely diverted attention
away from what I was asking. I was just shocked by the dollar figure
of that eBay auction, and telling my own story is how I reacted. So,
back to the question: What were the valuable items in the auction?
I don't think it was the books. And I doubt it was the core memory,
but I could be wrong. I think it must have been the paper tapes with
the original DEC labels. Those are somewhat fragile, and while a
computer can sit in a corner for years with little degradation, the
same likely cannot be said for the paper tapes. Or maybe people tossed
those tapes over the years with little thought, so now they are very
rare? But still, $1K, wow! Makes one think twice about tossing
anything, doesn't it?
Scott
i put a 500$ bid in on that auction didn't expect this and it proly
shot up that high cause i was biding on it from the start quite
stronglyv and my bid was based on what i have seen these individual
items go for so i am kinda shocked
as for freebees i score a free pdp8a my pride n joy of my collection
and have been aquiring parts for it ever since like rk05's and
controllors rl02's
as for you talk about freebees mines not as nice as ur stuff but i did
score a pdp8a with all its software manuals drawings asr33 x2
On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Scott Mickey <scott.m.18 at atsgate.com> wrote:
> I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth
> more than $1K:
> eBay auction -
> "DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card"
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746
> At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of
> bidders and the amounts.
> I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their
> PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. ? However, at
> some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be
> buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were
> buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them.
> A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any
> longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free.
> A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a
> VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of
> CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each
> one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter
> disk cartridges. ?I got all of this for free too. ?I did pay $100
> for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. ?It has been
> very educational learning all this old hardware and running the
> early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). ?I found all these
> people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. ? So when I see
> bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000,
> I am flabbergasted. ?Completely. ? Shouldn't this money be staying
> in your retirement account? ?(No offense intended). ?Why is this
> particular stuff so valuable?
> Thank you for your time today.
>
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Stoness"
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM
> Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction
>
>> i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back
>> 1100 bucks :O
>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=
> true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem=
> &sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
>>
>
>
On 4/7/12 10:43 AM, Scott Mickey wrote:
> I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth
> more than $1K:
>
> I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their
> PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it.
> A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any
> longer
> Shouldn't this money be staying
> in your retirement account? (No offense intended)
I find your na?vet? refreshing, if offensive.
You'll be 'old' some day too.
Let's see how you feel when a kid comes along eying your collection.
> about KILLED me when I lifted each one by myself
Learn about dealing with heavy equipment before you do permanent
damage to your back. It's easy to ignore this when you're young
and stupid.
I need someone to educate me as to why this DEC hardware is worth
more than $1K:
eBay auction -
"DEC PDP-8 paper tape software, books and core memory card"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320880958746
At first I thought it was a gag, but then I looked at the number of
bidders and the amounts.
I know there are a lot of older fellows out there holding on to their
PDP and VAX hardware because they are quite fond of it. However, at
some point each comes to the conclusion that unless they want to be
buried with their computers, the same as the egyptian pharaohs were
buried with their gold, they need to find a new home for them.
A fellow who was on oxygen and too weak to pick up his computers any
longer kindly give me two fully loaded VAXServer 3400's for free.
A few years later, from another retired gentleman, I received a
VT103 (11/23), VT100, RX02 (dual 8" flop drives), a pair of
CDC 9427H "Hawk" drives (which about KILLED me when I lifted each
one by myself), dozens of floppies, and a dozen 14" rigid platter
disk cartridges. I got all of this for free too. I did pay $100
for a MicroVAX II, with all original tapes and manuals. It has been
very educational learning all this old hardware and running the
early UNIXes on real hardware (not an emulator). I found all these
people and all of this stuff locally on craigslist. So when I see
bits of DEC paper tape and core memory going for more than $1000,
I am flabbergasted. Completely. Shouldn't this money be staying
in your retirement account? (No offense intended). Why is this
particular stuff so valuable?
Thank you for your time today.
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adrian Stoness"
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:19 PM
Subject: pdp8 tapes trays core memory ebay auction
> i put bid in and went to work at 6am and see this when i get back
> 1100 bucks :O
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_trksid=p4340.l2557&rt=nc&nma=
true&item=320880958746&si=6c9FJZXW%252BgdjnHCVq%252FpYYQ4M3tI%253D&viewitem=
&sspagename=ADME%3AB%3AEOIBUAA%3ACA%3A3160&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
>
Hey guys
I work for an ewaste company, thought id share what we have in right now
10 Dell Precision 390s
2.4ghz Core 2 Duos
3.5 Floppy Drive- BIOS Supports 5.25 drives as well
Dual 160GB SATA HDDs
2GB RAM
XP COA on each machine
Asking $100 dollars each for them + Shipping or come to my door in
Flushing MI and get them
Steve
On Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:30:23 +0200, Holm Tiffe <holm at freibergnet.de> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've tried to compile the VIM-7.3 Sources on my freshly installed VS4000,
> and entered a pitfall here.
> Since the C Compiler was complaining that the virtuel memory is exhaustet,
> I'veed the PGFLQUOTA for the user to 104826 and the VIRTUALPAGCNT SYSGEN
> Value to 2097152 (max was displayed as 4194304)
> I've let run autogen and ebooted.
>
> Now the system ewfuses to boot:
>
> %SYSBOOT-W-WS default and quota raised to PHD+MINWSCNT
> %SYSBOOT-F-VASOV, system virtual address space exeeded
> ?06 HLT INST
> PC= 00009631 PSL=041F0000
From the VMS error messages manual at
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/6023/6023pro_019.html :
VASOVF, system virtual address space limit exceeded
*Facility:*SYSBOOT, System Bootstrap Facility
*Explanation:*The combination of SYSGEN parameters used to specify
various capacities within the operating system have pushed the size of
the operating system address space over the limit allowed by the VAX
architecture.
*User Action:*Reduce one of the parameters (BALSETCNT or VIRTUALPAGECNT
(VAX only)) that contribute to the virtual address space size required
by the OpenVMS system. By using AUTOGEN to set these values for your
system, you avoid selection of parameter combinations that cause system
space to overflow its architectural boundaries.
To recover, perform a conversational boot (i.e. the boot process will
let you modify system parameters to recover from a situation like
yours). It is described here:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82final/aa-pv5mj-tk/00/00/34-con.html
Use the "booting with default system parameters" section. You probably
then need to reduce VIRTUALPAGECNT below the value you have set (which
gives a 2GB virtual address space) because the VAX architecture allows
max. 2 GB virtual memory and you are probably just over the limit.
The VMS documentation is excellent, you will find it online here:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/
and this is a good manual to start with:
http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/aa-pv5mj-tk/aa-pv5mj-tk.HTMl
(you will find it from the page above by following the link "OpenVMS
Operating System" to the left.
/Jonas