test-drb July 2009

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by iamvirtual＠gmail.com

I am looking for RSTS-11 circa 1972 to install on my PDP-11/10 machine. I am more interested in a "historically correct" rather than "more useable" system. I have a PDP-11/10 with 32kw core memory and an RK05 disk drive. My goal is to load RSTS-11 on this machine. I have scoured the internet, including rsts.org and Bitsavers, but I have not come up with an installable distribution. My plan is to use Ersatz-11 or simh to prep a virtual RK05 disk. When I am happy with the setup, I will transfer the binary disk image to my real RK05. I wrote a program that allows a binary disk image to be transferred via a serial port (I will release the source once I am successful in getting the machine running). My hope is that I can find a distribution (virtual tape, virtual disk, etc.) that I can use to install my OS. I am looking to learn and understanding the process so that I can become self-sufficient. Any ideas where to begin? --barrym

17 years

TCP/IP for VMS 5.4

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: RE: TCP/IP for VMS 5.4 > From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh at aracnet.com> > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 09:30:34 -0700 > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >At 12:15 AM +0100 7/12/09, Robert Jarratt wrote: >>I already have some 3100s (VAXstation and MicroVAX). I don't have any 4000s >>except for some VLCs. I just really wanted to have a MicroVAX II and I am >>actually very happy that it works as well as it does, a DELQA or an RD54 >>would just be a bonus. > >The VLC is actually my favorite VAX, I love how small it is. :-) > >Instead of a RD54 you might want to consider a different disk >interface that lets you use ESDI or SCSI disks. It could very well >be a cheaper alternative to the RD54, unless you get lucky. > >Zane > I'd not olly say cheaper, but then you will not be limited to 153MB. when yo consider that V5.4 eats the 153MB about 80% a 1gb drive is very attractive. Last I looked (it been a while) a SCSI adaptor such as CMD is 4-500$ and suitable SCSI drives are cheap. Allison > > >-- >| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | >| healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | >| MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | >+----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >| PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | >| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

17 years

Deze advertentie mag u niet missen!

by hp-fix＠xs4all.nl

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17 years

Eurocard cases.

by afra＠aurigae.demon.co.uk

Hi group, Over the last few months I've been working on a clone of an old british home computer (Acorn Atom), on a series of eurocards, 3 at the moment. My problem is I'm looking for an enclosure for the eurocards, I have found a couple however they are not quite big enough, I figure some of the people on here might know where I can get such a beast from. I need to be able to house the current 3 cards plus a possible 4th. Cheers. Phill. -- Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric ! "You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.

17 years

TCP/IP for VMS 5.4

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: RE: TCP/IP for VMS 5.4 > From: <arcarlini at iee.org> > Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:06:30 +0100 > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org wrote: >> >> The reason I am running 5.4 is that I am running it on a >> MicroVAX II with a DEQNA, and my understanding is that later >> versions of VMS did not support the DEQNA, only the DELQA. > >This is true, for some value of "later". V5.4 sounds about >right for the cutoff. V5 was the cutoff for DEQNA, specifically it was DEQNA is unsupported and DELQA was supported. That really ment that if you ran a DEQNA and had problems with it they would tell you get a DELQA. It'also meant the code to run DEQNA was still there and it should work but to expect no software updates for that device and that device did run at reduced performance. I don't believe the driver itse;f was deleted till later possibly V6. Also the DEQNA was prone to failure, so if the system doesn't see it it may be cause it is dead. >> I also only have 7MB of working memory (total of 9MB but 2MB >> are considered bad by VMS) so it may not work well with later >> versions for lack of memory (not sure though). V5 or later works in 6 but very poorly. It should not be hard to find working ram to increase that. It could also be the over the top connector has failed. >Are you sure that VMS sees it as bad? If it just doesn't see it >at all, that could well be because you need to run AUTOGEN >(and maybe ferret out and remove a possible parameter that >is limiting the number of physical pages ]it might even be >PHYSICALPAGES]). It's possible but less likely. >What does SHOW MEM say? That would tell us something. Allison

17 years

TCP/IP for VMS 5.4

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 9:21 PM +0100 7/12/09, Robert Jarratt wrote: >Yes I like the VLC for its size too but I think I have broken two VLC PSUs >possibly because I put in disks that consume too much power for the PSU. The >PSUs just click on and off about once a second. The bearings on the fans in my VLC's PSU are going out, and the PSU on the BA353 I have for it is just plain dead. As a result my DECnet area router has migrated from that to a 4000/60 with a BA350. >Funny you should mention ESDI. The chap I got the MicroVAX II off also gave >me a separate enclosure containing 4 ESDI disks, it is apparently something >created by US Design Corporation as a third party storage expansion, it uses >a proprietary quad height board in the MicroVAX II. I have not taken the >time to try it out yet. > >I had not considered a SCSI interface and I will look into it because that >would be so much better (although it would feel a bit less authentic). Well, in that case, I'd really recommend going with the ESDI, it would definitely be authentic, plus it sounds like you have all the bits and pieces that you need. I have a Webster WQESD/04, it's one of my favorite Q-Bus boards, as it is a very nice ESDI controller. One of the reasons I like it is because you can partition a hard drive up so that it appears to be separate hard drives. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

17 years

TCP/IP for VMS 5.4

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

At 12:15 AM +0100 7/12/09, Robert Jarratt wrote: >I already have some 3100s (VAXstation and MicroVAX). I don't have any 4000s >except for some VLCs. I just really wanted to have a MicroVAX II and I am >actually very happy that it works as well as it does, a DELQA or an RD54 >would just be a bonus. The VLC is actually my favorite VAX, I love how small it is. :-) Instead of a RD54 you might want to consider a different disk interface that lets you use ESDI or SCSI disks. It could very well be a cheaper alternative to the RD54, unless you get lucky. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

17 years

TCP/IP for VMS 5.4

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: RE: TCP/IP for VMS 5.4 > From: "Robert Jarratt" <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> > Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:15:41 +0100 > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk- >> bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Zane H. Healy >> Sent: 11 July 2009 22:16 >> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts >> Subject: RE: TCP/IP for VMS 5.4 >> >> At 6:03 PM +0100 7/11/09, Robert Jarratt wrote: >> >So to run on a later version I really need to find a DELQA and ideally >> an >> >RD54, in that case I would happily try the move to 7.3, but may be >> limited >> >by memory. >> If the Memory is at least 12MB and there are TWO RD54s than 7.3 is possibe using a DELQA. It will run poorly. >> I hate to tell you this, but a MicroVAX/VAXstation 3100 or 4000 >> series is going to be cheaper to get, and would take 50-pin SCSI >> disks. The DELQA shouldn't be that much of a problem to get, the >> RD54 on the other hand is, and is what would likely cost. You, got that right. RD54s will be scarce as their working life was maybe 4-5 years max and shelf life is likely exceeded by now. I know that as I sitll have 4 running, for the moment. Allison >> Zane >> >> >> -- >> | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | >> | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | >> | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | >> +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ >> | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | >> | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | >> | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ | > >I already have some 3100s (VAXstation and MicroVAX). I don't have any 4000s >except for some VLCs. I just really wanted to have a MicroVAX II and I am >actually very happy that it works as well as it does, a DELQA or an RD54 >would just be a bonus. > >Thanks > >Rob

17 years

TCP/IP for VMS 5.4

by ajp166＠bellatlantic.net

> >Subject: Re: TCP/IP for VMS 5.4 > From: Brent Hilpert <hilpert at cs.ubc.ca> > Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 10:09:08 -0700 > To: General at invalid.domain, "Discussion at invalid.domain":On-Topic and Off-Topic > Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > >"Zane H. Healy" wrote: >> >> At 9:46 AM +0100 7/11/09, Robert Jarratt wrote: >> >Does anyone know if there is a version of TCP/IP around that will install on >> >VMS 5.4. I only have UCX from a 7.3 CD-ROM which I cannot install on 5.4 >> >because it does not have the PRODUCT command. >> >> UCX from V7.3 wouldn't install on V5.4 anyway. A better question >> might be why are you running V5.4? Off the top of my head your best >> bet will be CMU-IP, but I'm not even sure where you'll find a copy of >> that (I probably have it, I'm just not sure where as I've still not >> recovered from moving). I'm not sure how old of VMS CMU-IP supports >> though. If you were running V5.5-2 you could run Multinet or TCPware. > >What version of VMS was current around 1986-7? I installed Wollongong TCP/IP on >a VMS/microVax at that time (I think it was 1986, but 1987 at the latest), but >I don't remember what version of VMS was on the microVax. In that time frams it would be MicroVMS a version of VMS4.7, V5 was later. Allison

17 years

Anyone ever see a real KE-11A? (arithmetic peripheral for the PDP-11/20)

by ethan.dicks＠gmail.com

Hi, All, With the recent discussion of old PDP-11 core, I was reading over Warren Toomey's excellent description of piecing together the most ancient version of PDP-11 UNIX known, and dreaming of the day when I get my PDP-11/20 restored. I am missing, to my knowledge so far, two critical elements to getting the v1 UNIX kernel (and v2 userland) running on real hardware - an RF-11 and a KE-11A. I was figuring I'd have to make a hardware RF-11 emulator or tweak the code in such a way that some other device could be made to work in its place. The KE-11A seems to me to be a harder thing to replace with an alternative. I've read the manual on bitsavers and know the modules it's made of, but I was hoping to find a picture somewhere just to get a visual idea of its compexity. I know the general design of a number of 1970-ish DEC items, but mostly, I've treated Unibus devices as black-boxes - Unibus goes in, Unibus comes out, and in the middle stuff happens that does things. I guess I've been fortunate in that I've never had to do component-level repair of devices of that era (as opposed to lots of experience with older and newer gear). I've done lots of pre-OMNIBUS stuff, some OMNIBUS stuff, and lots of Unibus and Qbus single-card devices. The specific place I have little experience is with Unibus whole-backplane-era devices. The few that I've used worked when I plugged them in. So I'm not ever expecting to run across a loose KE-11A in the wild, so I have to consider what it would take to make one from scratch. Fortunately, it's a peripheral, not a processor option, so it's not festooned with attachments into the CPU itself (unlike, say, a PDP-8 EAE). I have lots of experience with making and debugging Unibus peripherals (COMBOARDs, among others), so I don't find that to be an insurmountable obstacle. I'm nowhere close to starting any sort of construction - I'm just hoping to find a photograph for now. Long before I'd start any sort of KE-11A project, I'd want to find a way to power up my three-BA11-11/20 (no authentic PSUs at the moment - those were harvested before I got the machine) and get it running. I'm expecting to be using XXDP and RT-11 to confirm that it works before I move on (fortunately, it's easy to drop peripherals like an RX11 on an 11/20 so I can import test programs from floppy or papertape as I debug any problems). Any pointers (in addition to bitsavers) on the KE11A would be much appreciated. I plan to tear into the changes made in simh to see how it works from a software standpoint, but the manual does have some good descriptions already. Thanks for any assistance, -ethan

17 years

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