test-drb March 2009

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Last Call: Emulex SCSI Controllers available...

by lbickley＠bickleywest.com

Requests have been "straggling" in just about every day since I made this offer, most for one but some for a number of these boards. In fairness to those who signed up right away (including myself), I am setting a deadline of Thursday, March 5 to get your order in. On Friday, March 6, I will send out an email to all who tentatively said they wanted a/some board(s) on what should be our next step in making this bulk purchase happen. Regards, Lyle ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: More Info RE: Emulex SCSI Controllers available... Date: Thursday 26 February 2009 From: Lyle Bickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> I've received a number of responses from folks - and a few questions. Here's answers to the most common questions: 1) Is there a warranty? Yes the boards are guaranteed by the dealer to not be DOA. I just re-checked - and he's agreeable to a 15 day warranty. My guess is that if you went a few more days, he'd cover it - but he would like whoever gets the boards to check them out right away. ALL boards will be pre-tested by the dealer on a QBUS system using RT before shipping. All will have the latest EPROMS. 2) Is it standard QBUS (i.e., not "S") Yes. 3) Is the SCSI port standard 50-pin? Yes. Lyle ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Emulex SCSI Controllers available... Date: Thursday 26 February 2009 From: Lyle Bickley <lbickley at bickleywest.com> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> I was chatting with a DEC broker recently regarding SCSI controllers for DEC gear - when he mentioned that he had a quantity of Emulex UC07's available. UC07's are QBUS cards which have a single SCSI port and support either MSCP or TMSCP (in RT land, that would be either DU or MU devices). The manual states that the UC07 is compatible with RT, RSX, RSTS/E and Ultrix versions which support MSCP or TMSCP. The dealers initial price was high (as expected). However, he then added - "I'd be willing to do better for hobbyists - as long as they commit that the boards will only be used for hobby purposes - and not for commercial use". So here's the "deal": $235 per UC07 plus shipping from Mountain View, CA (FedEx Ground). I've paid MUCH more for SCSI interfaces for my DEC QBUS and UNIBUS systems - so IMHO, this is a great deal. The broker said he did not want to deal "individually with a bunch of hobbyists" - so he asked if I would be willing to consolodate a single order of UC07's to him. I reluctantly said "yes", as this is not my business and I'm not interested in making money on this deal - only covering costs. To get a sense of interest, please reply to me privately if you'd like one or more if these "critters". The manual for the UC07 is available on bitsavers. A link to a bitsavers mirror is below: http://bitsavers.vt100.net/pdf/emulex/UC0751001-F_UC07_Feb90.pdf Regards, Lyle -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" ------------------------------------------------------- -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero" ------------------------------------------------------- -- Lyle Bickley Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"

15 years, 9 months

is it possible to rebuild old c64 hardware enhancements?

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

I'll need an explanation of how simply viewing 25 year old code is tantamount to "stealing". Utilizing it w/o modification could be. Much much code is found in textbooks, internet, etc. There's generally not too much that's *original* (i.e worthy of protection) that was written 25 years ago. I personally don't want to even look at code that is *original* or *owned* in any sense. In other words I don't want to be influenced by any code that, if emulated to whatever extent, and found_it's_way into a creation of mine, could cause a problem if you know what I mean. But I find it awfully hard to believe that there's much that's 25 years old that would fall into that category. Looking at something is simply that. If some printouts were mistakenly tossed out and I happened to find them, am I a "thief" for picking them up and checking them out??? If code was posted on the internet, and happened to actually *belong* to someone in whatever sense, am I breaking the law by viewing or even downloading and studying that code? --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> wrote: From: Fred Cisin <cisin at xenosoft.com> Subject: RE: is it possible to rebuild old c64 hardware enhancements? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 8:37 PM On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dan Gahlinger wrote: > you're wrong. there is true abandonware. WRONG. > if a company dies and no one picks up the parts, the copyrights (owned by the company) lapse. > and when you work for a company, any code you write is typically owned by the company (you lose all rights to it). > "typically". And the company is legally, a "sole proprietorship", a "opartnership", or a corporation. > you could say theres a provision of 25 years, but when the entity ceases > to exist, and no holders remain, this is not the case. Did you kill ALL of them? > unless the author had special provisions in their contract or worked > something out before the company died, or someone picked it up, it's > free game. WRONG The assets of the company may revert to its creditors, and the creditors might not WANT IP assets, and give them up, but never "free game" > maybe it doesn't happen a lot, but there were literally HUNDREDS of > companies that disappeared without a trace, registered only to a PO box, > and not to a person. "Without a trace", meaning that YOU don't know where to find them, is NOT legally the same as "non-existent". Your best possibility might be ot DECLARE yourself to be a creditor.? THEN "not being findable" could be legally converted into default, permitting you to acquire assets. > I will gladly "make available" code by a c64 software company called > "MMI" (Magnetic Manipulations Inc.) if anyone wants it... go ahead, sue > me... Did you kill ALL of them? I'm not affiliated with Magnetic Manipulations, Inc. Whoever currently owns the assets might not CARE, but that is NOT the same as not owning. The closest in USA law to your fantasy of "abandonware" would be if the "rightful owner" (legal term) can be coerced or cajoled into explicitly signing rights into public domain, OR sufficiently after the end of lifetime of the owner. Why are you so intent on STEALING from anybody that you can't easily find?

15 years, 9 months

VAX 11/780 on eBay

by derschjo＠msu.edu

Item 150330289821.? A bit expensive for my tastes.? Makes me wish I was independently wealthy and also had the space/power requirements for such a beast :).

15 years, 9 months

offlist - RE: is it possible to rebuild old c64 hardware enhancements?

by chrism3667＠yahoo.com

ok, I'm interested. Incidentally what does the code do LOL. --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> wrote: From: Dan Gahlinger <dgahling at hotmail.com> Subject: RE: is it possible to rebuild old c64 hardware enhancements? To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 8:19 PM you're wrong. there is true abandonware. if a company dies and no one picks up the parts, the copyrights (owned by the company) lapse. and when you work for a company, any code you write is typically owned by the company (you lose all rights to it). "typically". you could say theres a provision of 25 years, but when the entity ceases to exist, and no holders remain, this is not the case. unless the author had special provisions in their contract or worked something out before the company died, or someone picked it up, it's free game. maybe it doesn't happen a lot, but there were literally HUNDREDS of companies that disappeared without a trace, registered only to a PO box, and not to a person. I will gladly "make available" code by a c64 software company called "MMI" (Magnetic Manipulations Inc.) if anyone wants it... go ahead, sue me... Dan. > Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:48:21 -0800 > From: cisin at xenosoft.com > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: is it possible to rebuild old c64 hardware enhancements? > > On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dan Gahlinger wrote: > > I doubt anyone owns the copyrights now, > > Unless you killed them, > AND waited out the statute of limitations plus a bunch more time, > it doesn't work that way. > > We've told you before. > > > _________________________________________________________________ Share photos with friends on Windows Live Messenger http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650734

15 years, 9 months

1" paper tape buy ?

by dm561＠torfree.net

-------------Original Message: Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 17:47:06 -0800 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> Subject: Re: 1" paper tape buy ? On 4 Mar 2009 at 19:32, Roy J. Tellason wrote: > > I haven't been following this thread very closely, but I trust > > someone has mentioned the 96 column System/3 mini-card: > > > > http://homepages.cwi.nl/~dik/english/codes/96col.html > > > > Holds more characters, but less data than a standard 80 column card. > > That was the one roughly the size of a 3.5" floppy, wasn't it? I worked at a > place once that used those... Yep, about that size. What made no sense to me is that each column is BA8421 - 6 bits. This long after IBM had settled on 8-bit EBCDIC. Most installations had standardized on the 80 column card, so it didn't make much of a splash unless you were a System/3 installation. Cheers, Chuck ---------------Reply: Well, it may not have been a big splash relatively speaking, but they were certainly used a fair bit by Burroughs, especially in the era of the B1700. And to get back to the original topic, I don't see any mention of edge- punched cards, sort of like fanfold paper tape but card stock, wider, and with prepunched feed holes; many readers and perfs could handle both PPT and EPCs. FWIW, the ones I have here are 3"x11". mike

15 years, 9 months

Beautiful Digital Group Z80 system on eBay

by wmaddox＠pacbell.net

Any Digital Group fans here? It's being offered for a $2000 buy-it-now, item # 310126675985. No relation to the seller. --Bill

15 years, 9 months

is it possible to rebuild old c64 hardware enhancements?

by dgahling＠hotmail.com

its just a disclaimer for the a/r... now that you mention it there is a usb type interface abd 1541 on flash usb (so to speak) ---------- Sent via Telus My Email 2.0 -----Original Message----- From: Zane H. Healy Sent: 3/5/2009 3:39:34 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: is it possible to rebuild old c64 hardware enhancements? At 9:36 AM -0500 3/5/09, Dan Gahlinger wrote: >I was thinking about things like the "super card" >and other drive/ copier enhancements that were made back in the day. > >I even had something from (super card I think) called "IHS Nibbler" >(Index Hole Sensor) nibbler. >which was a hardware/software copier mix, one part went inside the drive. > >I remember the "super card" had many different things, like a "ram >card" that went inside the 1541 drive. > >is it possible to recreate these things? (I dont have any hardware any more) > >I doubt anyone owns the copyrights now, or alternatively I bet a >"generic" hardware device could be made... You really like making claims about copyrights don't you? Even I am noticing a trend here, and I don't spend much time reading the list anymore. Or are you simply a Troll? Personally I'm more interested in new hardware that incorporates aspects of old hardware for my C-64, and have purchased three new items in the past year. So maybe this does answer your question, yes, it is possible to recreate some of these old upgrades, but I'm not of anyone making specifically what you're talking about as I've not had any reason to look for them. For all I know it's already built into the one device I have, or can be added to it. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh at aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | MONK::HEALYZH (DECnet) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | PDP-10 Emulation and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

15 years, 9 months

Intersil Intercept Jr

by jeflittl＠cisco.com

To Whom it may Concern: What is all this stuff about the Intercept Jr? I was the designer of that little demo computer way back in the 1970s when I was working for Intersil. If anyone get's this message, are there some specific questions you might have? I still have several of the early proto units in my garage along with a lot of the original documentation. I see that someone is asking about getting replacements for the little micro-interpreter chip used in this design. Unfortunately it is not really possible to get new chips because the original was really a mask-programmed CMOS ROM that Intersil was using the Intercept Jr as a demo vehicle for (in addition to the 6100, the CMOS RAMs, and the support chips). There was also a larger version called the Intercept that I designed and we built first which was a full-blown PDP-8/E equivalent with 4K of 12-bit RAM, a full front panel, and a current-loop async serial interface that could be connected to an ASR-33 teletype and would run a full set of Digital diags and 4K-version software. After I left Intersil I believe they continued to develop additional peripherals for the Intercept and the Intercept Jr. including a memory extension controller based on the Digital version, a floppy disk controller, some special Intercept Jr. demo plug-in cards used in various educational settings such as the 6100 training courses that Intersil offered to their customers. I believe eventually the Intercept was capable of running OS/8. That required a 2-bank memory of 8K of 12-bit RAM as I recall. Regards, Jeff Little Menlo Park, Calif. PS: don't forget that the PDP-8 was basically organized around 12-bit words, not bytes.

15 years, 9 months

Looking for a half height cab (DEC if possible)

by silvercreekvalley＠yahoo.com

Anyone in the UK got a half height cab (DEC would be great) for sale/trade. Will collect. Contact me off list if anything available. Cheers. Ian.

15 years, 9 months

Eastbound hauling

by wdonzelli＠gmail.com

I will be on the West Coast (San Diego thru the Bay Area) in early May, driving with my trailer and van (I do this every year). In order to fund the trip, I offer moving services basically across the country, back to New York and points between. I can move rather large machines - two caccooned six foot racks can ride on my trailer, plus maybe a rack in the back of my van. I can also move terminals, drives, whatever. My trip westbound is pretty full from New York to Boulder, CO. There is a possibility of westbound movement from Boulder to California. Please contact me off list. Sooner is better than later. -- Will

15 years, 9 months

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test-drb March 2009