test-drb January 2009

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by mouse＠Rodents.Montreal.QC.CA

I was printing on my IIISi tonight and, between jobs, it switched from working normally to displaying "50 SERVICE" (with the "50" flashing) and not accepting print jobs. Power cycling doesn't help. I've done a little poking around, but haven't managed to find a service manual for the silly thing. Bitsavers has only one file under hp/printers/, and that one doesn't cover the IIISi. Google finds another file which covers a few III printers, but not the IIISi. Anyone have the manual, or at least have some idea what "50 SERVICE" means I need to do? (What is it with this week and hardware? I'm beginning to feel as though any hardware I try to use this week breaks.) /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents.montreal.qc.ca / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

15 years, 3 months

someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay?

by shoppa＠trailing-edge.com

cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote: > Subject: RE: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? > On the one hand you can argue: they are just offering > a service for people who can't download large > volumes of > documents. On the other hand, all of us are skating > on some > thin ice by scanning copyrighted material in the hopes > that > nobody really cares. It seems like a bad precedent > for > someone to be selling them for profit. > Subject: RE: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? The way I see it, the worst possible example of what might happened has already happened: someone bought, via an E-bay auction, the rights to all Heathkit manuals and then threatened legal action against every single archive of scanned Heath material on the web, causing them all to shut down. I'm not saying that anything illegal happened, just that the end result is a damned shame. I have a lot of Heath stuff, and while I happened to have the original 40 or 50 year old manuals with much of it, most of the original manuals are in pretty sad physical shape today. I would use the scans on the web in preference to the physical manual because I was afraid more of the pages would fall out or even worse, the fold-out schematics would disintegrate more. Tim.

15 years, 3 months

AFIPS Press

by frustum＠pacbell.net

First, the questions: does anybody know what happened to AFIPS Press? Next, the background: I bought a used AFIPS 1979 Conference Proceedings (Vol 48) of the National Computer Conference. I bought it for a single article. I'd like to scan and post that article online. Although I've scanned other material and put it online, I know ACM and IEEE are still very protective of even 40 year old publications, as they actively sell reprints online (some of which I've bought). This is a meaningful revenue stream to them. This is from the front of the book: (c) 1979 by AFIPS Press. Copying is permitted without payment of royalty provided that (1) each reproduction is done without alteration and (2) reference to the AFIPS Proceedings and notice of copyright are included on the first page. The title and abstract may be used without further permission in computer-based and other information-service systems. Permission to republish other excerpts should be obtained from AFIPS Press. It seems like putting it on a webpage is more akin to republishing it than it is copying it. I'd be more than happy to add the necessary credits to the scanned document, but that might not cut it. My first thought was to contact them and ask permission to publish this one article. Despite an hour of googling, I can't find what happened to them. Do they still exist (I haven't seen anything with a recent date published by them)? Did they get folded into ACM or IEEE? They used to be located at 210 Summit Avenue, Montvale, NJ 07645. If I enter that address into google maps, it reports about 20 businesses, none of them AFIPS Press. The Montvale New Jersey Business Directory doesn't list AFIPS Press either.

15 years, 3 months

AFIPS Press

by cclist＠sydex.com

2009/1/25 Jim Battle <frustum at pacbell.net>: > First, the questions: does anybody know what happened to AFIPS Press? AFIPS ceased operation in 1990. IEEE CS took over some of the archival stuff with ACM, but then IFIP picked up the slack. http://www.ifip.or.at/ IFIP, on their contact list, show both IEEE and ACM representatives for the USA. I'd start by dropping them both an email. If neither of them knows, no one does. Various universities may still have the AFIPS collection (e.g. FJCC, etc.) I have many fond memories of NCC. Cheers, Chuck

15 years, 3 months

someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay?

by shoppa＠trailing-edge.com

> On the one hand you can argue: they are just offering > a > service for people who can't download large > volumes of > documents. On the other hand, all of us are skating > on some > thin ice by scanning copyrighted material in the hopes > that > nobody really cares. It seems like a bad precedent > for > someone to be selling them for profit. > Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James > M Dakin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:36:06 +0100 > From: "Rik Bos" <hp-fix at xs4all.nl> > Subject: RE: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <8981EED805C74877B576A25B84552268 at xp1800> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > 'She' got three times feedback as seller two were negative ! > She seems to be a good buyer .. > > Well I'm not spending my money on 'her' items with bitsavers and other > sources around ;-) > > -Rik > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Namens Vernon Wright > > Verzonden: zaterdag 24 januari 2009 19:18 > > Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Onderwerp: RE: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? > > > > Thing is, the negative feedback is back in 2004! Since then > > it seems positive. And I don't see what "she" was selling back in '04. > > > > If it's rip-offs from bitsavers, well then I have a problem. > > OTOH, if "she" has been scanning her own collection, then 1) > > why the hell isn't she a member here? ...and... 2) it's her > > problem dealing with copyright owners. > > > > Vern > > > > --- On Sat, 1/24/09, Rik Bos <hp-fix at xs4all.nl> wrote: > > > > > From: Rik Bos <hp-fix at xs4all.nl> > > > Subject: RE: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? > > > To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" > > > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > > > Date: Saturday, January 24, 2009, 9:53 AM A copy from the feedback > > > she's getting... > > > *BEWARE* Sells photo-copies of vintage items & claims they are very > > > rare !!! > > > the answer : > > > If you cannot find a copy of something then it is rare, ask > > > b4 buying moron > > > !!!! > > > > > > Says something about the seller..... > > > > > > I think it's a opportunistic persoon with a short of cash.... > > > Couldn't be a list member. > > > > > > -Rik > > > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > > Van: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org > > > > [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] Namens Jim > > > Battle > > > > Verzonden: zaterdag 24 januari 2009 18:21 > > > > Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > > Onderwerp: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? > > > > > > > > I just noticed this: > > > > > > > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmariamarkham > > > > > > > > Considering some of the odd groupings (eg DIGITAL > > > EQUIPMENT > > > > CORPORATION AND OSBORNE DOCUMENTS), it seems like this > > > person > > > > is perhaps not putting a lot of effort into this or > > > isn't > > > > knowledgeable. And if they aren't either of > > > those, what are > > > > the odds they'd bother collecting and scanning > > > these materials? > > > > > > > > On the one hand you can argue: they are just offering > > > a > > > > service for people who can't download large > > > volumes of > > > > documents. On the other hand, all of us are skating > > > on some > > > > thin ice by scanning copyrighted material in the hopes > > > that > > > > nobody really cares. It seems like a bad precedent > > > for > > > > someone to be selling them for profit. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:36:19 -0800 > From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> > Subject: RE: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <497AEF23.25069.4D0B58F0 at cclist.sydex.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 24 Jan 2009 at 10:17, Vernon Wright wrote: > > > Thing is, the negative feedback is back in 2004! Since then it seems > > positive. And I don't see what "she" was selling back in '04. > > > > If it's rip-offs from bitsavers, well then I have a problem. OTOH, if > > "she" has been scanning her own collection, then 1) why the hell isn't > > she a member here? ...and... 2) it's her problem dealing with > > copyright owners. > > I noticed the same thing. Probably just a tempest in a teapot--it's > not clear that she's sold *anything* in the last 4 years. I suspect > those in need of antique computer doucmentation know how to use The > Google. > > Cheers, > Chuck > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:49:34 -0500 > From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> > Subject: Re: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>, > der Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> > Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <F7CA1676-7707-410E-BED8-F8F5B27E53FF at neurotica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > On Jan 24, 2009, at 4:45 AM, der Mouse wrote: > >> Back in June (2008), I wrote about my HP IIISi laser printer > >> complaining "50 SERVICE". [...] > > > > Today I picked up a new fuser and replaced it, and now it works. > > > > However, there's a vertical line of what I can perhaps best > > describe as > > fog on every page. Last time I had something of the sort, replacing > > the toner cartridge (which includes a roller of some sort) fixed > > it. I > > slid the door over the roller open and the fog is visible on the > > roller > > too. Perhaps interestingly, this fog was not present on the first few > > pages printed (which were test pages); it showed up while I was > > printing "real data". > > So, the fog on the drum is a scratch, or are you saying that > there's a toner image of the fog on the drum? Use a piece of tissue > and (very!) carefully wipe at it to see if it comes off. > > If it doesn't, then the drum is screwed, which (on most printers) > means the cartridge is screwed. If it does, then there may be a > piece of crap on one of the corona wires. There's a slot that runs > the width of the toner cartridge that is covered on the inside by a > flexible piece of black plastic film. Use the corona wire cleaner > (the green thing with the felt tip) and stick it in there in the > obvious way, and run it back and forth a few times. > > > Also, the thing is giving me a lot of paper jams with the page > > stuck in > > the paper path after the fuser - sometimes they register as internal > > jams, sometimes as output jams. It's not consistent, but frequent > > enough to be annoying. Any ideas what could be causing that? > > There could be something sticky on the fuser roller. On these > printers, there is (or should be) a white felt pad stuck to a plastic > frame that sits atop the fuser roller and wipes it as it rotates. > Most people never bothered with that pad, to their detriment...you're > supposed to change it when you change the toner cartridge, and new > toner cartridges (usually) come with one. That pad is saturated with > fuser oil; it cleans and lubricates the fuser. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire > Port Charlotte, FL > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:55:05 -0800 > From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> > Subject: Re: Help identifying a big ol' drive platter > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <497AF389.7236.4D1C7FBF at cclist.sydex.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On 24 Jan 2009 at 13:13, Roy J. Tellason wrote: > > > Wow, how sixties...! :-) > > > > I especially like that pic of the unit with the cover off on page 5. > > Bitsavers has the manual for the 6603 controller: > > http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/cdc/6x00/60334000_6603DiskControl.pdf > > (about 500K) > > I was wrong on the speed (mental bit rot)--it's 900 RPM, not 600. > Still darned slow in comparison to 70's technology. > > Every once in awhile these Bryants would spring a leak in the > hydraulics. I once witnessed an operator hit the pool of fluid on > the floor (pydraul?) at a dead run. It was pretty funny. > > Cheers. > Chuck > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:58:50 -0800 > From: Chris Halarewich <halarewich at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: > <6d6501090901241058rb615e2en38c639532072c18f at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > when i go to that page it says domain for sale > > On 1/24/09, Alexandre Souza <alexandre-listas at e-secure.com.br> wrote: > > > > Today I finally collected the round tuits to check it out - and yes, > >>> the fuser "lamp" has failed open-circuit. Fortunately, a month or two > >>> back I spoke with an printer repair tech who came to service a printer > >>> at work; he gave me contact info for the place he gets replacements for > >>> such things, so I'm set in that respect. > >>> > >> Just publish if you find a good address. I saw this message on my > >> printer (4mx?) too, so I'm proably next ;-) > >> > > > > www.repair-printer.com comes to mind. excellent service! > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:14:30 -0800 > From: dwight elvey <dkelvey at hotmail.com> > Subject: RE: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <COL107-W24ACBC7B88C8DE34CAAE9DA3CC0 at phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > From: mcguire at neurotica.com > ---snip--- > > > > If it doesn't, then the drum is screwed, which (on most printers) > > means the cartridge is screwed. If it does, then there may be a > > piece of crap on one of the corona wires. There's a slot that runs > > the width of the toner cartridge that is covered on the inside by a > > flexible piece of black plastic film. Use the corona wire cleaner > > (the green thing with the felt tip) and stick it in there in the > > obvious way, and run it back and forth a few times. > > > > Hi > There isn't the normal corona wire in the III si. Like I > mentioned in my mail, it is replaced by the PCR in that > printer. > Dwight > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail? goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. > http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=T… > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:00:18 -0800 > From: "Scanning" <steven.alan.canning at verizon.net> > Subject: Re: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <000e01c97e5e$61aa34e0$0201a8c0 at hal9000> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Jim, > > As a seller, her feedback is only THREE and two of those are NEGATIVE. That > should be all we need to know. > > Best regards, Steven > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Battle" <frustum at pacbell.net> > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:21 AM > Subject: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? > > > > I just noticed this: > > > > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmariamarkham > > > > Considering some of the odd groupings (eg DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION > > AND OSBORNE DOCUMENTS), it seems like this person is perhaps not putting > > a lot of effort into this or isn't knowledgeable. And if they aren't > > either of those, what are the odds they'd bother collecting and scanning > > these materials? > > > > On the one hand you can argue: they are just offering a service for > > people who can't download large volumes of documents. On the other > > hand, all of us are skating on some thin ice by scanning copyrighted > > material in the hopes that nobody really cares. It seems like a bad > > precedent for someone to be selling them for profit. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:45:43 +0000 (GMT) > From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Subject: Re: Wall warts; was: hams on classiccmp > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <m1LQnVr-000IxyC at p850ug1> > Content-Type: text/plain > > [Alcohol damaging plastics] > > > HPDL-1414, I've used a few in projects here. They're damn nice > > displays. The datasheet mentions nothing about alcohol, though. > > Hmmm.. I was pretty sure it was those displays where the data sheet > specifically mentioned not cleaning them with alcohol, but I could well > be mistaken. > > I was using these over 25 years ago, and there are 2 other posibilities. > Firstly, they may have changed the plastic over the years so the more > recent ones are not attacked by alcohol (that might also apply to dot > matrix versions, etc). The other is that I got my displays from RS > components in the UK, and they produced their own data sheet for the ones > they sold (I think just the 1414 and 2416), and it may have contained the > warning about alcohol. I still have that data sheet _somehwere_ , if I > come across it I'll check. > > -tony > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:54:59 -0800 > From: "Brian Knittel" <brian at quarterbyte.com> > Subject: Re: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <497B1DB3.9419.130D58F3 at brian.quarterbyte.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > My favorite is the one covering the "APPOLO GUIDANCE COMPUTER" > and "An emulator that simulates a hole host of different computers". > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:59:48 -0500 (EST) > From: der Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> > Subject: Re: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <200901241102.GAA18164 at Sparkle.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > >> Fortunately, a month or two back I spoke with an printer repair tech > >> who came to service a printer at work; he gave me contact info for > >> the place he gets replacements for such things, so I'm set in that > >> respect. > > Just publish if you find a good address. > > 5000 d'Iberville. (I don't expect this to be much use to you, since > you're probably not in Montreal, but you asked. I conjecture you were > expecting a webpage or some such...but I don't buy "online". At all.) > > /~\ The ASCII Mouse > \ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:00:20 -0500 (EST) > From: der Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> > Subject: Re: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" > To: cctalk at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <200901242118.QAA20882 at Sparkle.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you all for your great help! > > [Dave McGuire, quoting me] > >> However, there's a vertical line of what I can perhaps best describe > >> as fog on every page. [...] Perhaps interestingly, this fog was > >> not present on the first few pages printed > > So, the fog on the drum is a scratch, > > No; its physical extent is not as well-defined as a scratch is, and it > is (statistically) uniform under vertical translation, not repeating > with a well-defined period the way a scratch does. > > > or are you saying that there's a toner image of the fog on the drum? > > Yes. When I open the door over the roller, there are bands of fog > wrapped around the drum, in places that correspond to the fog on the > printouts. > > > Use a piece of tissue and (very!) carefully wipe at it to see if it > > comes off. > > > If it doesn't, then the drum is screwed, > > It wipes off readily, and the stuff that wipes off looks like, well, > toner powder. But when I then put the cartridge back in and print a > test page, there is no recurring gap in the fog; apparently the > cleaned-off space didn't stay clean long enough to show on the page. > > [dwight elvey] > > There is also a [scraper] that can fail. If it gets junk in it, it > > will let toner get by and contaminate the PCR. It is a self > > intensifying process. > > That matches the symptoms. I'll try opening the toner cartridge and > cleaning off the PCR and the wiper blade - I could wreck it, I suppose, > but if my alternative is to get a new cartridge anyway... :) > > /~\ The ASCII Mouse > \ / Ribbon Campaign > X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org > / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:07:15 -0500 > From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> > Subject: Thrift store score: HP LJ4L > To: classiccmp at classiccmp.org > Message-ID: > <f4eb766f0901250807gd38027ckd7ec741a60c76f60 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > After years of looking at an HP LJ4L I got at the Uni surplus that > someone had removed the fuser from, I found a nearly-unused 4L at the > nearby thrift store yesterday. It printed the test page without a > burp, but was on the shelf without a price. I found someone to get it > priced and walked out a happy customer $6 later. > > The only thing it's missing is a right-angle IEC power cord to fit > behind the access door, but it works well enough with a straight-in > cable. > > -ethan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:15:10 -0500 (EST) > From: Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us> > Subject: Re: Thrift store score: HP LJ4L > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0901251112330.31919 at cpumagic.scol.pa.us> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Sun, 25 Jan 2009, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > After years of looking at an HP LJ4L I got at the Uni surplus that > > someone had removed the fuser from, I found a nearly-unused 4L at the > > nearby thrift store yesterday. It printed the test page without a > > burp, but was on the shelf without a price. I found someone to get it > > priced and walked out a happy customer $6 later. > > I had pretty much given up on finding interesting vintage electronics > at Goodwill, but I also made a good score last summer: a Data General > LDM-800 line matrix printer for $4.95 (half-price day). There's not a > thing wrong with it, after a couple of alignment procedures. They > actually had two of them, but I only had room for one. :-) > > > > Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us > Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:26:19 -0500 > From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> > Subject: Re: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <D0FB2B07-5DC4-42EE-B27B-FD1EA93987A8 at neurotica.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > On Jan 24, 2009, at 2:14 PM, dwight elvey wrote: > >> If it doesn't, then the drum is screwed, which (on most printers) > >> means the cartridge is screwed. If it does, then there may be a > >> piece of crap on one of the corona wires. There's a slot that runs > >> the width of the toner cartridge that is covered on the inside by a > >> flexible piece of black plastic film. Use the corona wire cleaner > >> (the green thing with the felt tip) and stick it in there in the > >> obvious way, and run it back and forth a few times. > >> > > Hi > > There isn't the normal corona wire in the III si. Like I > > mentioned in my mail, it is replaced by the PCR in that > > printer. > > Ahhhh, I must've missed the "Si" part somehow. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire > Port Charlotte, FL > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:43:14 -0800 (PST) > From: Vernon Wright <vern4wright at yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: Thrift store score: HP LJ4L > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: <431838.91257.qm at web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > You are lucky; the thrift stores I inhabit here in San Diego won't sell if there isn't a price tag. They hold it to the next day and price it overnight...which is a BIG bore if I really want it and have to come back the next day - which won't be seniors 50% off day, of course :) > > The coup I recall is the TI microLaser Win/4 I picked up at a thrift store closing for a dollar. It had been at $7, and $15 before that; I figured I could take a chance at a cuppa coffee price. It was incompatible with Linux, and Windoze except for 95 AND XP! Funny that long list of releases no one ever wrote a driver for, and then to do it for XP. Anyway, it had a good toner and innards and has served perfectly well for about three years. > > Vern Wright > > --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> > > Subject: Thrift store score: HP LJ4L > > To: classiccmp at classiccmp.org > > Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 8:07 AM > > After years of looking at an HP LJ4L I got at the Uni > > surplus that > > someone had removed the fuser from, I found a nearly-unused > > 4L at the > > nearby thrift store yesterday. It printed the test page > > without a > > burp, but was on the shelf without a price. I found > > someone to get it > > priced and walked out a happy customer $6 later. > > > > The only thing it's missing is a right-angle IEC power > > cord to fit > > behind the access door, but it works well enough with a > > straight-in > > cable. > > > > -ethan > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:45:58 -0500 > From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Thrift store score: HP LJ4L > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: > <f4eb766f0901250945o14a0af48od618cc42fadf7f07 at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Mike Loewen > <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us> wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Jan 2009, Ethan Dicks wrote: > > > >> ... I found a nearly-unused 4L at the nearby thrift store yesterday. > > > > I had pretty much given up on finding interesting vintage electronics at > > Goodwill... > > Mostly, I find calculators or 1970s clocks, but not much in the area > of on-topic electronics at thrifts in Columbus, but I had some really > good luck with older stuff at St Vincent DePaul's in Madison over the > past 5 years (I just dug out that all-LED clock that I need to refurb > - 100-ish submini LEDs and a double-fistful of CMOS 4000-series > parts). > > The closest thing I've seen lately is a Bondi-blue original iMac for > way too much, but then they seem to get $150 for an eMachine, which > boggles me. > > > ...but I also made a good score last summer: a Data General LDM-800 > > line matrix printer for $4.95 (half-price day). There's not a thing wrong > > with it, after a couple of alignment procedures. They actually had two of > > them, but I only had room for one. :-) > > Interesting. We never get stuff like that at our thrifts. I presume > industrial stuff gets recycled in other ways. > > -ethan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:48:00 -0500 > From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Thrift store score: HP LJ4L > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > <cctalk at classiccmp.org> > Message-ID: > <f4eb766f0901250948j7430cc37pe163174444cab7da at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Vernon Wright <vern4wright at yahoo.com> wrote: > > You are lucky; the thrift stores I inhabit here in San Diego won't sell if there isn't a price tag. They hold it to the next day and price it overnight...which is a BIG bore if I really want it and have to come back the next day - which won't be seniors 50% off day, of course :) > > Normally that's my experience, too, but this place has a large back > room, so they aren't supposed to set things out unpriced and price > them later. I do consider myself lucky that they priced it while I > waited. Perhaps it was because it was on the shelf with two dozen > printers and scanners and they didn't have any spare room on the shelf > to let it wait. > > -ethan > > > > End of cctalk Digest, Vol 65, Issue 57 > **************************************

15 years, 3 months

someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay?

by brian＠quarterbyte.com

My favorite is the one covering the "APPOLO GUIDANCE COMPUTER" and "An emulator that simulates a hole host of different computers".

15 years, 3 months

someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay?

by frustum＠pacbell.net

I just noticed this: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmariamarkham Considering some of the odd groupings (eg DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION AND OSBORNE DOCUMENTS), it seems like this person is perhaps not putting a lot of effort into this or isn't knowledgeable. And if they aren't either of those, what are the odds they'd bother collecting and scanning these materials? On the one hand you can argue: they are just offering a service for people who can't download large volumes of documents. On the other hand, all of us are skating on some thin ice by scanning copyrighted material in the hopes that nobody really cares. It seems like a bad precedent for someone to be selling them for profit.

15 years, 3 months

Help identifying a big ol' drive platter

by derschjo＠mail.msu.edu

Hey all -- I don't usually buy things like this, I prefer to collect parts I can actually use on a regular basis, but I couldn't pass this up -- it's just too cool. It's an ancient hard disk platter, about 31" in diameter and maybe 1/8" thick. It's made by 3M and has a label sporting a serial number and inspection /waxing/etc dates from November of 1966. Any ideas what kind of drive this would have belonged to? Any ideas on capacity? I have a couple of photos at http://yahozna.dyndns.org/computers/platter. I'd love to know what this went to. It looks nice on my wall, right next to the IBM Microdrive... Thanks! Josh

15 years, 3 months

Wall warts; was: hams on classiccmp

by technobug＠comcast.net

On Jan 19, 2009, at 09:47:55 -0800, Chuck Guzis" wrote: > On 19 Jan 2009 at 11:17, Jules Richardson wrote: > >> It's always surprised me that stuff like that's legal in the US, >> given the >> nature of the power outlets; it doesn't need a lot of weight for >> the device >> plugged into the wall to tilt slightly and risk the exposure of >> live metal >> contacts (heck, normal power cords and pets are a bad enough >> combination :-) > > Electrical safety requirements and certification in the US is a hodge- > podge of private (e.g. Underwriters Labs), state and local building > code) and Manufacturers and trade associations (NEC, IEEE "green > book"). Action with individual products is taken on a Federal level > only when a sufficient number of episodes have shown a device to pose > a danger (Consumer Product Safety Commission). AFAIK, there are no > Federal standards for electrical product safety--although there are > for RF emission. > > Basically, it's cowboy electrical safety when it comes to consumer- > level mains-operated devices. Basically, in the US the UL is the standard which one follows (CE if you want to go elsewhere). Failing to meet the UL/CE standards generally has force of law in the US due to the ever diligent lawyers. Failure to meet (and get fully tested and certified) opens one up to a suit where one has to prove that the design is safe. Whereas, if certified, the suer has to prove either negligence on the part of the manufacturer or show that the certification is at fault. The latter rarely happens. Extensions to the NEC (National Electrical Codes - a published standard which is implemented locally) rarely step into the areas where the UL/CE standards bear. However, some localities can't keep their hands out of the pie... Wall warts relieve the manufacturer of a product of having to certify the product to the lebenty-leben, various, multitudinous and sundry standards since the w/w manufacture does this for you. The low voltage output eliminates all the mains testing and certification. To give you an idea, the difference in testing and certifying one of our product with an internal supply and one using a wart exceeded $20k and that was over 15 years ago. Since this was a fairly low volume device you can guess the direction we went. Even using a certified power supply requires that the entry and attachment be certified if not provided by the p/s manufacturer. If one wants to be a cowboy and manufacture a consumer-level mains- operated device without certification, make sure all your assets are safely ensconced in a Cayman Island account. CRC

15 years, 3 months

Stuff available in Cupertino, CA -- Free for local pickup, or make offer

by jeff.kaneko＠juno.com

Hey Bill-- I live in Merced, and would like to come to SIlicon Valley to pick up the Sony Monitor. How soon do you need me to come get this (assuming it hasn't been claimed already)? Also, I could find no specifications for this monitor. Can it do Sync on Green? Jeff -- William Maddox <wmaddox at pacbell.net> wrote: I am cleaning house and have the following available to a good home. All are free if you can pick up locally in Cupertino, CA. Otherwise, if you make a decent offer I'll ship the smaller items. I'm looking to clear out some stuff quickly. * Northstar Horizon chassis and power supply, with backplane * Atari 520ST gear (2 system units, power supply, monitor) * Keyboards for TI99/A, Coleco Adam, Atari 1200XL * Sun/Sony GDM-20E220 Trinitron CRT monitor * Perkin-Elmer "Owl" terminal (fixer-upper or parts) While perhaps a bit off-topic, I also have the following available: * ePods internet appliances (slate-style with stylus, runs Windows CE) * I-Opener internet appliances (desktop with integral LCD, hack to run Windows or Linux) * Webpal internet appliances (ARM-based, VGA, hack to run Linux) * Barometric pressure transducer assembly, e.g., for digital weather station I have posted more detailed descriptions at www.harlie.org/stuff.html --Bill ____________________________________________________________ Click for great deals on extra fine men's wedding bands. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2wI1xAeJNxyfdWDTZFpi8kjXq…

15 years, 3 months

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