>> Anyone know any of the XKL folks?
>That might make a lot of sense, I believe that the main reason for doing the
>XKL-1 was so that they could continue to use their existing CAD tools. If
>this is the case they likely have it working with the X11 software running
>on the XKL-1. Which brings up another problem, I don't believe that X11
>will run on any of the emulators, and I'm not aware of any copies of it in
>Here is a question, is any of this on the Panda distribution from Mark
>Crispin? I don't believe so, but then I've also not had time to boot it.
>BTW, questions of this level would be better answered on alt.sys.pdp10
XKL is a VERY close-lipped operation. You can try contacting Len Bosack.
I doubt anyone lower than that would be willing to commit to releasing it.
Also, the machine was the TOAD-1.
> And, if I did have one, has anyone written an emulator for a VS60?
> would it be hard?
It's essentially a VT11 on steroids. Hardware rotation/scaling/clipping,
extended display list structure.
VS60 is a VT48 display processor with a display built by Sanders Associates.
xa-2.3.2, the current version of the xa65 assembler package has been released
along with dxa-0.1.2, the current version of its companion disassembler.
xa is a 6502/R65C02/65816 crossassembler in portable C featuring a built-in
preprocessor, rich instruction and pseudo-op expression syntax, and built-in
o65 relocatable object support. 2.3.2 adds:
- character set translation for quoted strings (such as ASCII->PETSCII)
- proper recursive macro evaluation
- groks cpp(1) line tags automatically
- multiple bug fixes
- updated documentation
See the changelog for a complete listing.
dxa-0.1.2 is a portable crossassembler based on Marko Makela's d65 package
featuring intelligent disassembly and multiple output options, including
support for undocumented instructions. 65816 instruction support is pending.
0.1.2 corrects an occasional bug with relative addressing and an output bug
with back-to-back label formatting. dxa should still be considered alpha.
Suggestions and bug reports always welcome. Both programs are released
under the GNU Public License.
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At 12:01 -0600 1/31/07, cctalk-request at classiccmp.org wrote:
>First, the obvious - the speed that something sells is a function of
>and demand AND visibility ...
:-) and other factors...
Marvin, I may have dropped into your SPAM-filtering apparatus at some
point, or vice versa. Have you gotten more than one email from me in
January? I'm hoping there were four.
If so, have you sent me more than one?
Others, my apologies for the intrusion.
Mark Tapley, Dwarf Engineer
(I haven't cleared my neighborhood)
210-379-4635 Dwarf Phone, 210-522-6025 Office Phone
My partner and I came across a quantity of New, Old Stock RCA 1802CE Chips.
I know some people on the list have spoken about them as they were used in a few classic computers like the ELF.
If anyone is interested in them, please contact me off list.
I'd prefer to get them into the hands of Classic Computer Enthusiasts before putting them on eBay.
I sent this to your other email address, and haven't heard back from
you. Are you still interested in selling the ICE? Please let me know
your asking price.
8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time
with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.
First, the obvious - the speed that something sells is a function of both price
and demand AND visibility ... just *had* to get that out of the way :). But what
you are asking is not an easy question to answer since there are so many
I fully agree that VCM makes a really good venue, and Sellam's rant seems to be
having the (unintended) effect of more people listing and viewing the site. One
of the reasons I *really* would like to see a link to VCM from ClassicCmp.org is
that I can easily publicize the ClassicCmp listserver on ebay emails, the "About
Me" page (although it hasn't been added yet) without worrying about the two
faced retaliation by Ebay. Some of you may recall the Ebay notices to put out
the information to all the newsgroups, etc. about Ebay and that helped a LOT to
publicize the site; word of mouth about a good thing was *very* prevalent. This
is also what needs to be done to help publicize the VCM site.
I've had things on VCM for maybe a year or more that 1) haven't sold, 2) finally
sold, and 3) sold quickly on Ebay. Things like books are relatively easy to
research pricing. There are other research tools to help determine pricing on
relatively common stuff, but things that are less common are basically an
educated guess and are set by how fast you want something to move. It is also
helped/hindered by how well/poorly the listing copy is written.
> From: David Griffith <dgriffi at cs.csubak.edu>
> I'm attracted to the idea of listing as much of this as I can at the
> vintage computer marketplace because 1) the people who buy stuff there
> presumably know what they're buying and 2) I can easily list stuff and let
> it be for sale until it's sold. Does anyone here have a ballpark idea of
> how long stuff would sit there until it gets sold?
"J. Peterson" <pdp11 at saccade.com> wrote:
>>> I believe some of the -11 operating systems would do
>>>with the console lights while they were idle. Could somebody
> I seem to recall RSX had a pattern something like
> with the groups of four "on" lights moving through each other.
> RSTS (c.
> 1980) simply rotated half a dozen or so "on" lights.
No no no. RSTS/E had a really cool pattern. They had two "snakes"
running around across the data and address lights. That was a real
trick. Appearantly they pulled that off by having the idle loop actually
run in supervisor mode, which wasn't used by RSTS/E at the time, so they
could control the address that way. Rumour have it that they had to drop
that piece at RSTS/E V9 or if it was V10 when they finally started using
supervisor mode more seriously in RSTS/E, but I haven't seen the RSTS/E
idle loop since V8 so I couldn't really say.
> Others have described
> RT11's pattern. I never saw a light pattern on an '11 running Unix -
> perhaps they were never idle? Was the concept of the idle-loop
> unique to the PDP-11, or did other systems with data lights implement
I can't remember any idle pattern when running 2.11BSD on an 11/70
anyway. The machine was idle sometimes, so maybe they just didn't
implement anything fun. But I'm not entirely sure my memory is on par
here. They might have had a simple rotating pattern on the panel. It's
been a few years since I last fired up Unix on a PDP-11.
Other machines have probably also done idle patterns, but in the PDP-11
rumour have it that the different OS groups were competing with each
other on who could do the coolest idle pattern. I believe most agreed
that RSTS/E won.