In a message dated 3/28/2006 6:01:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
legalize at xmission.com writes:
In article <200603281420360141.0B34ED91 at 10.0.0.252>,
"Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> writes:
> Right memory, wrong model. I dropped a bit. It was the 8570 (Model 70)
> and it was ECA 021. Nasty memory problem resulting in a 110 error. IBM
> would replace the mobo only if you complained loudly enough.
Speaking of inscrutable error codes from IBM BIOS, in the big
equipment purge of 2006 at work I obtained a number of IBM PC model
350 and 365s. In my various disassembling and re-assembling of pieces
amongst these systems to make a smaller number of maximally configured
systems I occasionally get an inscrutable error code form the BIOS.
Does anyone know if there are manuals for these models online? I
tried searching IBM's web site, but immediately got lost in the
large amount of irrelevant results.
--
What errors? I am familiar with those models. Fairly standard PC, nothing
unusual about them. You're looking for the HHM for these computers, but their
website has changed a lot since I worked there. DId you try
_www.pc.ibm.com/support_ (http://www.pc.ibm.com/support) ? You might also want to look around
at service.boulder.ibm.com too.
Does anyone have a .dsk image of an RL02 with a later version of XXDP v2?
Hopefully that matches more closely the diagnostic manual on bitsavers?
Thanks in advance!
Jay West
That is the INMOS G170 graphics chip. Used in the IBM graphics cards.
I got the datasheet somewhere in my house :-)
I remember AD also made a pin-compatible version of it too...
Cheers,
Ram
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
> [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Chris M
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 11:28 PM
> To: tech
> Subject: another mysterious chip
>
>
> First line: circle possibly with M in it, INMOS B.
> Second line: IMSG170S35 (pretty sure). Third line:
> 8611 - obviously date of manufacture. Chip has a gold
> cover, and is present on a dual 8-bit graphics card
> made by Vermont Microsystems, 80188 on board (similar
> to an IBM PGA card). Works in a P166MMX DTK mobo...but
> not in my IBM PC/AT. And yer know what else...it
> emulates CGA (pretty well seemingly, but only tested
> it with QBasic thus far). O for the drivers to access
> its wild advanced modes *snifful*.
>
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I don't know where in the overall timeline this is but wasn't the Tandy 2000
based on the 80186? It was introduced in 11/83 and ran an OEM version of DOS
2.11.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]
On Behalf Of Chuck Guzis
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 6:33 AM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: who built the first 8086/88 based puter?
On 3/22/2006 at 6:58 PM Chris M wrote:
>in all likelihood Intel is far too simplistic an
>answer (although I do recall seeing pictures of
>multibus type boxes with an Intel monniker, so things
>like that could possibly qualify). I suppose even a
>sbc could qualify, or even some sort of add-on for an
>established system. But sdks from Intel (or others)
>dont. Seattle Gazelle? What about 80186 firsts? 80286?
>I know the popular conception is that Compaq built the
>first 386 desktop, but I seem to recall ALR being
>numero uno (pretty sure it was ALR).
I think the distinction for 8086 may be Altos or one of the other S-100
makers, although Intel may have had a card for the MDS even before that.
Bill Godbout had his 85-88 card considerably before the PC.
As for the 80186/80286, we were debugging pre-release engineering samples
of both chips at Durango (I still remember the bug where DMA activity
would clobber the DI register). For sure, the 80186 Poppy rolled out very
early. I don't think any 80286 versions were delivered until the Xenix
port got finished. But there was a socket on the board for one before
that--just nothing to run on it.
By the time of the 386, Mobo profiles had pretty much standardized for PCs,
so I suspect someone like Mylex may have had the first motherboard, but I
don't know if that counts as a "computer". The PS/2 386 boxes were also
out fairly early--didn't the Model 50 have a bug that required replacement
of the mobo?
Cheers,
Chuck
Hi,
I'm trying to get DG/UX installed on an AV3700.
But, having a helluva time trying to sort out
the proper incantation for the boot device.
I managed to get things running on an AV3000
some years ago but the 3700 is a different beast.
Has anyone here wrestled with these beasts
(they have *got* to be the most annoying things
to get running! :< )
Thanks for any pointers...
--don
For those who don't already know, I focus my vintage
collection on Ohio Scientific.
I would really like to fill out my collection with a
C1P-MF Series II, pictured here (sorry if the URL wraps):
http://www.technology.niagarac.on.ca/people/mcsele/images/OSIAd-1981PopularE
lec.jpg
Also, I need the tan/brown metal floppy chassis for an
original C1P-MF. Yes, I know that many were sold with
the metal/wood floppy unit that usually went with the C4P
but I'd like an example of the other model.
Finally, I'd like a better example of a C4P metal/wood CPU
chassis. I have a 4P with the electronics in good shape
but the case is pretty rough.
None of the above need to be working, just in good physical
shape.
In pursuit of the above, I am considering trades of other
parts of my collection that are rather rare. Also, I have a
small reserve of convenient, wallet sized presidential
portraits (but don't get any ideas of ebay level riches).
Thanks,
Bill Sudbrink
Yes, the box is basically a 6502 microprocessor and support chips, and has no
mechanical connections to the Selectric.
Al, do you want scans of the manuals for Bitsavers?
> From: Richard <legalize at xmission.com>
>
> In article <4428D6CA.EFA31B9E at rain.org>,
> Marvin Johnston <marvin at rain.org> writes:
>
> > Since I've had a number of requests for the picture, it is online at:
> >
> > http://www.rain.org/~marvin/escon.jpg
>
> Based on the picture, it looks like it connects electrically to the
> Selectric and not mechanically. I'm assuming the entire enclosure
> looks like a box and doesn't have "typing finger" solenoids on the
> bottom?
> --