In a message dated 11/25/2006 4:20:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
teoz at neo.rr.com writes:
Apple apparently made a special INIT file for the HD20 (non SCSI HD that
connected to the back of a Mac 128K or 512K using the 19 pin floppy port) so
that unsupported machines (like an SE/30) could read the drive and copy the
files from it (but not write to it).
Anybody here happen to have a copy of this special INIT file? Somebody has
some data they need off the drive (he is in Japan) and only has an SE/30 to
use. Anything pre Nubus is out of my experience level so I figured somebody
here might have the file needed
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IIRC, Apple tech support mentioned that the SE/30 was not supported.
However, I plugged my HD20 into a IIci and it worked just fine.
Any interest in one of these? It's a DEC DSSI trilink connector- HD68 to 2x (microribbon? nanoribbon? not sure) 50,
as used on the best HSD arrays- etc. etc. etc.
In Renton, WA near Seattle.
I've got a couple of additional boards that I've rustled up, and can't
seem to locate any information on them. Can anyone point me to a
source?
I've also posted images of these two boards on my Mystery Qbus
Boards page:
www.rogerwilco.org/mystery_boards/#Dilog_DQ20www.rogerwilco.org/mystery_boards/#Dilog_DQ130
A big thanks to all that have responded to my request for more
information on my handful of 'Mystery Boards'. Thanks, Charles,
I now have enough information on the Clearpoint Q-RAM 44B (I
thought it was 11B) 2MB memory board to make use of it (still not
sure what the 'F' jumpers are for...)
J
I also have Jan and Feb of 85
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<chrism3667 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 86 and prior. I have some from 86-87, so trades are
> also of interest. And if anyone (even Pat ;) should
> need an issue or article, cram it! LOL LOL only
kidding
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An article on Yahoo News <http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061123/
ap_on_hi_te/digital_copyright> dealing with recent copyright
exemptions granted by the US Library of Congress had an item of
interest for classiccmp listers buried down at the bottom:
"He granted two exemptions dealing with computer obsolescence. For
computer software and video games that require machines no longer
available, copy-protection controls may be circumvented for archival
purposes. Locks on computer programs also may be broken if they
require dongles ? small computer attachments ? that are damaged and
can't be replaced."
CRC
Dave McGuire wrote:
> On Nov 22, 2006, at 8:05 PM, Charles H. Dickman wrote:
>> I also have DT2769, DT3371 and DT3382 boards without documentation.
>> I emailed Data Translation for any support information and they
>> didn't have any "at hand", but would get me copies from their
>> archives for a service charge of US$50 or something. Since I didn't
>> really have any use for them, whatever they were, I passed.
>>
>> The DT2769 is a KWV11-C Programmable Real-Time Clock. If you look
>> in the Micro/PDP-11 Handbook page 214, the boards are essentially
>> identical.
Yes, I had noticed that they are very, very similar. In fact the system
(see more below) that contains all of these DT boards, also contains
a real KWV11. Why the system needs both is also a mystery to me...
>>
>> The analog hybrid (?) block on the DT3382 is the same as that on
>> the ADV11. The DC006 and DC010 chips indicate that it does DMA.
>>
>> Never figured out the DT3371 either. It has two analog outputs
>> though. :-) It also does DMA (DC006 and DC010 again).
You both may be interested in having a look at the system that these
boards all came in. It is a Data Translations LAB DATAX box with an
H9275A backplane and, by the time I got it, an LSI-11/2 CPU.
The front panel is really also the rear panel. There is a DLV11-J with
four serial lines brougth to 9-pin D connectors, and some BNC-type
connectors for signals in and out from the box. What kind of software
goes with it I don't know, but I do see the system auto-booting to some
roms on the DT3382-8DI board (I think) and I wonder if just starts
processing when powered up. Don't know for sure. There is a label
on the underside of the top cover that I believe represents the original
configuration when it came out of DT:
1- KDF11 & KEF11AA | D4 Interface
2- DLV-11-J (177560) | 256KB Memory
3- LDT3382-DI (771420) ->
4- LDT2768 (167770) | LDT3371 (771140 / 420)
5- LDT2769 (170420) | (empty)
6- (empty) | (empty)
7- (empty) | (empty)
8- (empty) | (empty)
9- KPV-11-A (177546) | (empty)
I have no idea what the 'D4 Interface' is. It's no longer in the box.
I've added a couple of images of the box to my Mystery Boards
webpage:
http://www.rogerwilco.org/mystery_boards/#DATAX
> I'd not mind getting my grubby paws on those Data Translation
> boards if you or J want to unload them, maybe some swappage or
> something. I do lots of related hacking and would likely pop for the
> $50 for the docs before too long so they can be used. (and get them
> to Al of course)
Thanks for the interest. For now, though, I think I'll hang on to this DT
gear since it looks to be a 'system'. Perhaps I should spring for the
$50 doc set. How long ago did you make your inquiry to DT?
>> Didn't Data Translation always have the company presidents face in
>> every advertisement? I can see the face, but don't remember the
>> name... [Google for it] Fred Molinari.
> He was rather hilarious in many of their ads...that always gave me
> a laugh.
Oh...ahhh...before my time, I guess. I must have missed that 'show'.
J
Charles H. Dickman wrote:
> Notes on the Clearpoint Q-RAM 44B memory card
> {snip}
Chuck, this is good information! After reviewing your supplied info, I got to fiddling with my board. As it turns out, there was a hand-written sticky label (with just the number "225" on it) on the module handle. Must have been some previous owners ID tag. Well, it's old enough that with my handling, it started to fall off, so I just peeled it away. Underneath I found a small, but machine printed, label that reads "44B". Though the etched markings indicate "11B", I must have the same board that you have!
With that found out, I was confident in your information and tried the board in an 11/73 system. Sure enough it works great! All 2MB (1MW) is visible and though I haven't run any serious memory tests, STRTRK runs fine under RT11.
For the record (and if you don't mind that I borrow your artwork) here are my jumper configurations for 000000 base address; 256Kb chips; 2MB (1MW) memory size; parity CSR at standard; and 22-bit bus:
1 0 |
A o== |
|
B o== 3 |
o== 2 |
o== 1 |
|
C ==o b1 |
==o b0 |
|
D o== 1M |
o== 512k |
o== 256k |
|
E o== 21 F ==o |
o== 20 ==o |
o== 19 ooo |
o== 18 |
---|
|
|
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A: 18 bit Q-Bus
1 = 18bit, 0 = 22bit
B: Parity Memory CSR Address
base address is 17772100 + bit jumpers
C: Chip size select
b1: bank 1: 1 = 256k chips, 0 = 64k chips
b0: bank 0: 1 = 256k chips, 0 = 64k chips
D: Memory Size
1M: 1 = 2M, 0 = 1M
512k: 1 = 1M, 0 = 512k
256k: 1 = 512k, 0 = 256k
E: Base address
1 = adr bit, 0 = adr bit
F: ?
I don't know how your F jumpers are set, but mine (as indicated above) don't seem to hurt. Until we can find some documentation, I'm just going to leave them the way they are. (Yes, F1 and F2 are jumpered to the left (1), and F3 is removed altogether.)
Thanks a lot!
J
Apple apparently made a special INIT file for the HD20 (non SCSI HD that connected to the back of a Mac 128K or 512K using the 19 pin floppy port) so that unsupported machines (like an SE/30) could read the drive and copy the files from it (but not write to it).
Anybody here happen to have a copy of this special INIT file? Somebody has some data they need off the drive (he is in Japan) and only has an SE/30 to use. Anything pre Nubus is out of my experience level so I figured somebody here might have the file needed.
Thanks,
TZ
Hi,
I have PowerPc ThinkPad that needs a early version of AIX 4.1.5 or .6.
Anyone have a copy. The one I have has it on the drive but no Password.
Thanks, Jerry
Jerry Wright
Can we please depricate use of the non-word "stuph"?
Unless of course we have 'l33t d00dz" on this list that can't help but make up annoying spellings of words.
I much prefer clarity and correct spelling to "coolness" on this list.
Thanks!
Al
Phila, PA
