>From: "Fred Cisin" <cisin at xenosoft.com>
>
>> "Nobody programs in assembly language anymore, nor ever will
>> again." - Clancy and Harvey (UC Berkeley)
>
>On Fri, 25 Mar 2005, Paul Koning wrote:
>> Wrong, and wrong. Where did they get that bizarre notion?
>
>The biggest reason why I don't think that I should retire yet -
>I teach an assembly language class.
>
>
>They're LISP (actually "SCHEME") fanatics.
>
>They demo'd an example that "can not possibly be solved in ANY way
>but recursion". While they were keying it in in Scheme, I wrote
>out a non-recursive solution (with a 2D array) in C, BASIC, FORTRAN,
>and I got halfway through writing the COBOL form.
Hi
I don't believe that the Turing test does recursion.
If that is so, they would have to believe that they just
proved that it couldn't be calculated on a computer
with or without recursion. An intersting exception to
the Turning test?
Dwight
>
>--
>Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin at xenosoft.com
>
>From: "John Foust" <jfoust at threedee.com>
>
>At 05:18 PM 3/25/2005, Dwight K. Elvey wrote:
>> I don't believe that the Turing test does recursion.
>>If that is so, they would have to believe that they just
>>proved that it couldn't be calculated on a computer
>>with or without recursion. An intersting exception to
>>the Turing test?
>
>Turing test? The one where he wants to sort the men from the women?
>
>- John
>
>
Oops! I meant the Turing machine used as a test for
computability.
Dwight
Folks not interested in DEC PDP-11s and SIMH may want to ignore this.
However for those interested in PDP-11s that have Mac OS X, I am
pleased to announce that a Mac OS X-specific port of the PDP-11
simulation of SIMH is available for download. Please use the
following URL to access the instructions and .dmg file:
<http://dundas-mac.caltech.edu/~dundas/retro/simh/>
This application is a port of PDP-11 simulation only of SIMH V3.3-2
(the current release) to the Macintosh OS X environment. The
application requires a G3 or newer with OS 10.2 or later in order to
execute properly. Features of the application include:
- Built-in complete VT100 emulation. No need to use Terminal.app to
access the console or run the simulation. The VT100 supports copy &
paste between applications. Emulation is very complete and has been
tested with TECO/VT, KED, and EDT.
- Built-in PDP-11 front console panel. The panel emulates a
PDP-11/70 console and can appear in one of three variants. All
switches are functional except S INST/S BUS CYCLE. Almost all lights
are functional. Keyboard equivalents are available for all console
switches. The Console also has an optional "speedometer."
- Interface to SIMH is either through SCP commands in the VT100
window or Macintosh native menus and dialogs.
- Dynamic tool tips (formerly balloon help) are supported in all
windows and dialogs.
- On-line help and documentation.
- The application looks for a fixed configuration file
(~/.simh-pdp11rc) at startup. All file commands may specify relative
paths with ~ or ~user.
- The application can optionally spool LPT output to a PostScript
printer, simulating greenbar paper, as the simulation creates it.
- The application supports Processor Services allowing other applications to
send commands to the VT100 or Console windows. Copy and paste is
supported in the VT100 window. Drag and drop will be supported in
future releases.
- The application provides desktop icons for tape container files
(.tap). Tapes (.tap and .tk50) can be attached while the simulation
is executing by double clicking on the files. [This capability soon
to be added for disk container files as well.]
Please enjoy and send any feedback directly to me.
Thanks,
John
Noob warning.
Can anyone help me identify the part numbers of the cable(s) which
would be used to connect an RX50 to an RQDXn (mine's a 3) in a
BA23 case? Say an 11/53 or 11/73 type of machine?
Thanks,
De
This is a bit of a shameless plug but hmm its not off-topic so ;-)
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I've got some manuals, but NO DISKS for some older
Intel tools; the stuff is taking up room on my limited cube
desk space. It is possible that the disks will eventually
turn up, but don't count on it.
Anyway, I have these manuals, all in good shape, all
in their original slide-in boxes as a four-box set. The
copyrights appear to be all from 1988.
* Intel ASM386 Macro Assembler Operating
Instructions for DOS Systems
* Intel iC-86/286/386 Compiler User's Guide for
DOS Systems
* Intel386 Family System Builder User's Guide
This has two boxes.
The caveats? A few...
* YOU pay all shipping. I'll ship, send you a UPS
tracking number and a total, then you pay via
check, money order or PayPal.
* YOU agree to add it to a museum, use for personal
use, etc. You may NOT just turn around and sell
them on eBay.
If you've got some unwanted KIM-1 stuff, I'd be more
than happy to exchange this Intel stuff for your KIM
material!
I hope to be at TCS in a few weeks and would consider
delivering them in person. Questions? Just ask!
Thanks
Bob
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Bob Applegate
Senior Software Engineer
Embedded Development Group
Ulticom, Inc
856-787-2761
I am pretty surprised that I can't find any good technical descriptions of
the Apple ][ disk controller. It's not in the DOS manual and, come to
think of it, I can't think of any publication Apple came out with that
describes it. I wonder why this is?
Does anyone have any good suggestions for reference material on this
subject? I've got Beneath Apple DOS, which is of course excellent, and
the Bag of Tricks manual (which rehashes a lot of what's in BAD), but
nothing outside of those really describes the disk controller circuitry at
an even lower level. I want to know what's going on in the PROMs, and why
the certain rules of encoding data are why they are (i.e. first bit of
every disk byte must be set, no more than one set of consecutive zeros in
any byte, etc.)
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I have a lot of old tax preparation programs, multiple OS formats mostly in
the "newer vintage" timeframe, but some older stuff too. I thought I
remembered someone posting a notice looking for accounting software. I
plan to re-use the disks for scratch, especially the newer 5 1/4" PC format
software, if I do not get any takers. If interested contact me - billdeg
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