>
>Subject: Re: OT: Language for the ages
> From: woodelf <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca>
> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:48:32 -0600
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk at classiccmp.org>
>
>Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
>
>>>
>>> You're absolutely right.
>>> I like those sizes, because they're a good fit with my hardware.
>>
>>
>> ... therefore using an 18-bit int would be silly. If you were using a
>> machine with a 9-bit byte length (not parity, actually 9 bits) then it
>> wouldn't seem such a bad idea.
>
>Strange -- my hardware is just like that ( When I get it finshed ) .
>The PDP-10 has done that already.
>Oddly this homebrew I am working can't do real C, since now C is almost
>allways 32 bit code and
>I've got only a whoopping 64kb of ram. :( I think a 20 bit int is
>also a nice size too and 10 bit bytes.
>
>>
>> Gordon.
CDC6000 or was it the Interdata 8/32 used a nine bit char.
Funny thing about all this. I see focus on the char, int and longs and
pointers with little regard to is the machine Von or Harvard and other
considerations such as base machine registers, addressing modes and
conditional branch capabilities. All that is needed is enough bits
to do the task(s) desired. There is a point where standard C doesnt
fit well enough to justify it. That doesnt negate a subset however.
Allison
Greetings folks & folkettes;
It is with some sadness that I must offer up my System/34 to fellow
collectors. I have never gotten a 220v hookup for it, and I need the space
it lives in (my garage) for this coming winter.
The unit is complete, with four disks. I have some great number of floppy
disks for the machine (multi-hundred, although a bunch that came with it
are formatted TRS80), 24 disk jukebox cartridges, plus a large selection
of documentation and schematics.
OS disks are included.
For my own pickup information and details pictures of the machine and what
comes with it, you can head here:
http://www.kiwigeek.com/hjp/comps/IBM_s34/
I expect nothing for it, I am hoping someone will come and pick it up,
which I'll certainly be more than willing to help with.
We live out of Hampton, Iowa (North-Central).
Thanks;
JP
Hi Rich,
No, I've never found a source for those roms. What
few leads I did get didn't pay off. I think it's been
close to 2 years since I last posted anything about
them so maybe it's time to bring it up again.
Sooo... If anyone has a Cromemco SCC board with ROMs,
please check them to see if they are the MCB-216 roms.
There were two 2716 roms in sockets 0 and 1 containing
a monitor program and 3k control basic. We need an
image of these roms or a text hex/decimal/octal
listing would suffice (anything machine or human
readable as long as it's accurate and complete).
Pete T. and Randy M. on the list were also looking for
these.
It'd be nice to find these before I pass on and my
wife and kids get to dispose of my stuff.
Keep on keeping on,
Joe
>Hi Joe,
>I was wondering if you ever found the MCB-216 roms,
or source code for
the
>Cromemco SCC board. I am also looking for them.
>Let me know if you can help.
>Thanks!
>Rich
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We've just been offered one of these - I'm assuming (awaiting further
details) that it's a rebadged Apple II Plus, as in:
http://oldcomputers.net/bellandhowell.html
... but that doesn't mention the "Digital Video Presentation" side of
it, or even any video extras over and above what the II Plus has.
Anyone know any more details? Did Bell and Howell ever do any other
computer-based systems?
I will get some more info from the owner (and they have the full doc set
apparently), but I'm being impatient :-)
cheers
Jules
Hi Frank,
Thanks for the reply, Joe R responded to me yesterday and told me about
it being a hard drive, I sent him back some pictures, which I have
attached, in hopes of identifying what I have. If you know what it is, I
would appreciate the help, let me know if more picture or anything else
would help.
Thanks Again
Phil
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank McConnell [mailto:fmc at reanimators.org]
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:21 PM
To: cctalk at classiccmp.org; Matthews, Phil
Subject: Re: HP 9133
Phil Matthews wrote:
> I have been looking at your cctalk bulletin board and it appears that
> Frank McConnell is someone who knows a lot about old HP computers. I
> have been tasked to replace the HP 9133 computer on some of our test
> equipment with new PC's. I was hoping to contact somebody who might
> know if this is possible and how to do it. So I was wondering if you
> knew how I could contact Frank McConnell or somebody who might know.
Appearances can be misleading. I mostly wonder why it is that I
remember how to take apart a 262X terminal better than I remember what I
was working on last month.
And, my work with this stuff was in a data processing and office
automation environment, so what I remember is mostly terminals and
HP150s and some early Vectras and of course classic HP3000s. There are
other folks who read cctalk who have more clues than I do about the
test-equipment side of HP, so posting to cctalk may get you more help
than I can give you.
One thing I am sure of, your first step is to take another look at your
system. The 9133 is a disc drive; actually it is two of them, hard and
flexible. It does have a microcontroller, but its firmware is about
being disc drives, not about computing. Something else in there is the
computer, and you need to look again and find out what that is.
-Frank McConnell
I need to ship about 200 pounds of computers, documentation and spares from
South Africa to Boston.
Any suggestions on shipping this economically (and safely). It seems FedEx
is quite expensive does not
make economic sense for me..are there alternate carriers or methods (e.g.
via Ship) that make sense to
Look at?
How do I deal with customs?
Thanks,
Chandra
Hi Chandra and all
>I need to ship about 200 pounds of computers, documentation and spares from
>South Africa to Boston.
What? I didn't know we had computers over here that would be
worth shipping anywhere...
>
>
>How do I deal with customs?
Your side? Should be easier if you could prove that they
were originally made on your side of the pond?
>Probably the cheapest way to deal with this is to contact the different
>Airlines and set up an airport to airport delivery. You might have to settle
>for South Africa to New York. Not sure there are direct flights from South
>Aftrica to Boston.
SAA flies to Atlanta.
If you're not in a hurry, stick it on a ship. Takes most of
a year, or maybe it just feels like it, but it mostly gets
there.
W
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org
> [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ethan Dicks
> Sent: woensdag 19 oktober 2005 5:25
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Fischer Technik and similar logic-enhanced toys (was
> Re: OT:Language for the ages)
>
> On 10/19/05, Tony Duell <ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Real nerds use Fischer-Technik.
>
> I saw that stuff in the early 80s and couldn't come close to
> affording it.
>
> > Fischer Technik has gone down spectacularly since I was a
> kid. In the
> > old days there were fairly simple elecrronic modules (alas so
> > expensive that I couldn't afford enough of them) -- things like a
> > double pole changeover relay, analogue voltage comparator,
> AND gate,
> > OR gate, flip-flop, monotstable, etc.
>
> I remember that stuff - in particular, I remember enough
> logic for an elevator controller and a traffic light.
>
> I'd _love_ a way to home-brew some sort of snap-together logic toy.
> For that matter, I'd love a way to make something like a DEC
> Logic Lab from stuff around the house (i.e. - a 2 sq ft board
> covered with logic and plug points)... One could use banana
> jacks, etc., for the interconnects, but at retail pricing,
> that would start to add up to real money real fast.
>
> -ethan
Oops, I feel stupid. I was watching this site for months to find out
*now* that at the lower right side there are links to older versions.
See "Virtual Breadboard Legacy Versions Home " with links to 1.2 and
1.0. When you click the "1.2" link you get a page which also has
tutorials. Going to check that out ...
- Henk, PA8PDP.
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Back in June of last year, I posted the following message: "It's a DEClaser
3500 with FIVE extra cartridges. Location is central New Jersey. The
printer works well."
Now it's for sale again but some details changed. Now there are four extra
cartridges, not five. Also, it no longer "works well". I gave the printer
to my parents, who report that it only works when it's in a good mood, and
that many times it leaves a strange streak on the page.
But, hey, it's DEC. That ought to interest someone. :)
This sucker is HEAVY so I have no idea what it would cost to pack and ship.
Anyway, make me an offer. I wouldn't mind trading for a dot-matrix
ImageWriter printer/ribbons for my Apple //c. (Yes, Sellam, I know you have
87 of them, but I feel better bartering in a fair manner!) ... Or, as you
all know, I'm always looking for interesting vintage handhelds.
- Evan
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