You can do something with them - keep them and start your own computer museum :-)
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[mailto:cctech-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jim Isbell
Sent: Monday, 13 September 2004 9:08 AM
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Subject: New to the list
I just joined because I have a garage full of old computers that my wife
said, "either do something with them or get rid of them." So I am here
to make a decision, one or the other.
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Today I finally picked up that IBM 8232 - probably the most odd, and
certainly largest, machine from IBM's original PC line. The 8232 is
essentially a bridge between a Bus and Tag channel and ethernet/token
ring. Basically it is a 7532 Industrial PC with a channel card and panel,
all in a 300 pound box.
It sounds like it could actually be useful as sort of a channel sniffer.
I also took a 3480 tape drive with a controller. This is somewhat like the
TK50 drives of DEC fame, but Blue (and a whole bunch heavier).
There are some other 3480s available for people that might want them. I
can ask my contact - when I was there today, one 3480-A22 controller and
seven 3480-B22 drives were still on the floor. These are located in New
York City.
William Donzelli
aw288(a)osfn.org
A bunch of my friends run tech support for a large university in Michigan.
Between the four of them they do tech support for faculty and run the help
desk. They all use iBooks and Powerbooks, and reccomend them to anyone who
asks. They are not Mac zealots, they use and support all kinds of hardware
and software, and swear by the Mac platform. They've spec'd out, set up,
used and repaired probably every type of laptop manufactured (The University
does not have a "Standard Hardware" policy) and they say they have far fewer
problems with Apple hardware than any other make.
Me, I'm saving up for the big-screen Powerbook :)
Even if you hate OSX, just run anything else you want on it :)
http://www.kernelthread.com/mac/vpc/
That doesn't include Yellow Dog linux, running natively, of course :)
>From: "Jay West" <jwest(a)classiccmp.org>
>Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
>Posts"<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Subject: Re: laptop incident
>Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:24:03 -0500
>
> > Once you go Mac, you'll never go back.
>I hear OSX is basically FreeBSD. That's a good reason to switch to me :)
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Wow! Thanks a lot. The speed is incredible!! :-)
(and I'm on a dialup at this day and age...hey! I'm on-topic!)
p.s. Just curious how many of you still uses good-ole classic analog
modem technology daily?
/wai-sun
>p.s. Just curious how many of you still uses good-ole classic analog
>modem technology daily?
Me!!! - one of the effects of country living - no hope for anything
faster for a LONG time... :-(
Regards,
Dave
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dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html
Ron Hudson <ron.hudson(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> You would still have to dial up every time you want on. It only takes a
> moment to dial up, but I find it changes my web browsing habits anyway.
Unless you do dedicated-over-dial, i.e., a dedicated phone line for
the modem, always on, redial on hangup, and route a static IP block
down the pipe. That's what I do.
> I wonder what the phone company would do if a local call lasted more
> than a few hours... (number of days..)
Just checked syslog, the last time my router redialed was on Aug 24.
So the call that's in progress right now has lasted 3 weeks so far.
MS
Did anyone else notice the two Topo's in Bushnell's office on the PBS gaming
special the other night? Looks like he may have had other vintage stuff
there also.
>You would still have to dial up every time you want on. It only takes a
>moment to dial up, but I find it changes my web browsing habits anyway.
>I wonder what the phone company would do if a local call lasted more
>than a few hours... (number of days..)
>
>I'll check out freesco, do you have to tell it when you want it to dial
>out?
I use an SMC7004AWBR, which is a wireless router/switch - unlike most of
the others, it also has a serial port to which you can connect an external
modem. It can be configured to dial-on-demand, so when you try and go off
your local subnet, it automatically dials in and gives you a connection -
it also supports a timeout for auto-hangup.
Unlike "high speed" connections, hearing the modem dial gives you a signal
that something is "going out to the internet" - I find it almost unbelieveable
how much software "phones home" when you start it. Folks with DSL etc. are
for the most part completely unaware that this is happening... It seems that
most of the software won't dial if you have a modem, but if it "thinks" you
have a full-time connection, it will connect without ever asking you...
[Now if I could only figure out why my WIN2000 machine insists on dialing
out every time I open "network neighborhood" to access the local network]
Winblows problems aside, the SMC router works well for me as a means of sharing
a dial-up connection - It was fairly easy to get configured and running, and
I don't have to keep a PC on all the time.
note: if you decide to go this route, make sure that the router supports it -
newer SMC's appear to have dropped this feature.
Regards,
Dave--
dave04a (at) Dave Dunfield
dunfield (dot) Firmware development services & tools: www.dunfield.com
com Vintage computing equipment collector.
http://www.parse.com/~ddunfield/museum/index.html
>From: chris <cb(a)mythtech.net>
>Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
>Posts"<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts "
><cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
>Subject: Re: laptop incident
>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:46:30 -0400
<SNIP>
>Then a year later, when they ask me what the best way is to deal with all
>the popups, spyware, viri and other junk... I tell them to buy a Mac! :-)
This is the thought process of my IT friends (Disclaimer: I used to do IT as
well, now I'm just a lowly programmer :)
I don't want to start a Mac/PC flamewar, I just want to relay my own and my
friend's experiences to those who may have no exposure to a Mac.
I've personally set up and maintained three seperate computer networks for
three different campus departments, back when I was doing IT for the
university. One was a Mac department, the other two were PC and Mac/PC
mixed. The Mac-only department I had to revisit maybe twice to install new
printer hardware and upgrade some machines. I was at the PC and Mac/PC
departments a few times a month for viruses, crashed hardware, CD-ROM's
failing, hard disks dying, etc... The Mac/PC department only ever had these
problems with their PC's, their Mac-based server ran and ran and ran. (I
also ran a Netware 4 based Compaq server that also ran and ran and ran. I
also ran a Windows NT based Dell that ran maybe nine days out of ten :)
This could mean that the Mac-only group didn't use their machines as much,
which is unlikely as it was as close to a "Paperless office" as you could
get.
It could mean that they Mac-only office was more computer savvy and fixed
their own problems, which is unlikey as it was a humanities department whose
staff was just introduced to computers a couple years before (They picked up
on the Mac's pretty quick and used them a LOT).
It could mean the PC-only office didn't know what they were doing and broke
hardware, which is unlikely as they were a sociology department who spent
most of their time on SPSS crunching numbers, and had been for years.
My friend's experiences mimic my own. Mac users show up at their door less
often than PC users, even adjusted for installed platforms. Most Mac users
coming in for help have machines that are 10 years old and they can't get to
a website 'cause they are using a dirt old version of Netscape or IE.
Most office/university users use Office, E-Mail and the Web, all of which
are available on the Mac platform. If you need more esoteric stuff you can
install fink and grab just about any package that can run on Linux.
Disclaimer:
I run a Gentoo linux server, a Linux based development server, a Windows XP
machine for games, and a MacOS X machine for general use. I also have a
laundry list of OSes running in the basement :)
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>> > > Panther (v10.3.x) really is the best of MacOS combined with the best
>> > > of UNIX. It's lovely.
>> >
>> > As a long time MacOS and Unix user, it was nice to finally bridge the two.
>>
>> Finally? It was bridged a long time ago with A/UX.
>
>The last release os A/UX was 1994 or so (I have it), it wasn't that long
>ago.
That was about ten years ago, which is about half the lifetime of the Mac.
The first release of A/UX was released about fourteen years ago (1988).
I'd call that a long time ago compared to OS X and the age of the Mac
itself.
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Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
