BTW someone was collecting a list of operating systems and the machines
that they ran on. Does anyone know if and where it's posted?
Joe
What about FreeDOS? Or they just call it that for kicks? There's also
Minux and Linux which may not technically public domain but they're
certainly free. I'm not sure about the older versions of DR-DOS but but I
seem to recall that they're in the public domain now too and I believe CPM
also is. Anybody know the status of CPM-86? The last that I heard MPM was
still being sold commercially but I expect that it may end up in the public
domain before long.
Joe
At 10:53 AM 8/10/04 -0400, you wrote:
>> Name another computer with as many choices of OS and as many
>> versions, including third party and public domain OSs.
>
>Public domain? While admittedly I haven't specifically looked, I don't
>think I've ever seen a public domain OS for anything, even for values
>of "OS" as marginal as MS-DOS. (Not to detract from your basic point,
>which I agree with - if there are public domain OSes out there, I would
>expect most of them to be for peecees....)
>
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At 01:10 PM 22/11/2002 +1100, Kane, David (DPRS) wrote:
>>The system comprised a CPU and dual 8" floppy in a half height rack, on
>>top of which sat a marked sense card reader, and in the corner was a DEC
>>line printer. My memory of the CPU front panel is that it looks somewhat
>>like an 11/34 picture I found in the user manual PDF with the programmers
>>console. But I definitely remember it as an "slash zero" something model,
>>so I believe that it was an 04. However the only picture of an 04 I have
>>found to date has a rather basic looking programmers panel, by basic I
>>mean as it is simple white text on black panel and buttons. I seem to
>>remember the octal keypad had a border drawn on the pane and was a little
>>bit smarter looking, maybe there were updated cosmetic version of the
>>panel. The system booted straight to a local derivative of FORTRAN (MONECS
>>FORTRAN), so we were insulated from the hardware and I therefore have no
>>memory or interface card details.
>
>The MONECS system we had at La Trobe for many years was an 11/23 (maybe >an
>11/23+) although this was the prepackaged version from Digital known as the
>DEAMON. For those of you outside of Australia:
>
>MONECS - MONash (University) Educational Computing System
PDP-11/05 (or PDP11/10), core memory, Documation or HP brand mark
sense card readers, Memorex 751 floppy disk drives (these preceeded 8
inch floppys that most people would recognise) and a line printer.
System packaging varied greatly with the processor and drives racked
into desks or wheeled cabinets. They were in various Secondary schools
in Victoria, Monash University (for first year students before they
graduated to terminals) and some may have been used at Melbourne
University. Suggest C. Ching would have the best knowledge of these
systems.
>DEAMON - Digital Equipment Australia / MONash
>From memory the versions I maintained were PDP11/04 based, RX01, etc.
The 11/03, 11/23 would have been later machines.
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/museum/
>
>Monash University developed a card based system where the user wrote code
>(in FORTRAN, COBOL and ISTR a pseudo-assembler) and used pre-punched or
>mark sense cards. You queued up to use the card reader, loaded your own job
>and collected output almost immediately. I used the main frame based
>(probably Burroughs) predecessor to lean to program FORTRAN in either 1969
>or 1970. We used to send our cards by post to Monash and if we were lucky
>would get one run a week....
Probably Fortran on the Burroughs B5500, maybe too early for the
B6700, this is before my time. Think both of these machines were
ex-Victorian Government Gas and Fuel Corporation mainframes and were
donated to Monash Uni by Burroughs for a token amount.
>
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On Aug 9 2004, 21:58, trash3(a)splab.cas.neu.edu wrote:
> I have three boards. Two of them are Rev. K3. One of the boards has
PROMS
> on it, and no readable version, but the second has the 330-E5 and the
> 331-E5. What is your timeframe? I have to power up the right PC
with
> the eprom burner on it to read them, but that could be done within a
> fortnight or less.
Thanks very much to to all who responded, both on- and off-list. I've
now got images, and I'll put them in the usual place in case anyone
else needs them :-)
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University of York
On Aug 9 2004, 22:28, quapla(a)xs4all.nl wrote:
>
> You should have told me earlier. I have a controller here which has
> those 2 roms on them. Mind you, the other 3 I have all have 23-248 &
> 23-249 on them.
Hmm. Turns out I don't have 248/249 either (unless you mean 208/209?).
Have you got any way to dump those for me as well? Just to add to the
collection.
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Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Does anyone know what was the first computer to have a built-in real-time
clock?
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SAGE was a great pioneering thing, but here's a take that's likely not
to be popular here. Les Earnest is a genuine greybeard, and
appropriately crusty.
http://www.stanford.edu/~learnest/e2a.html
I know SAGE is a sacred cow, but they often make the best burgers.
Also check out some of his other pleasant rantings at
http://www.stanford.edu/~learnest
I have three boards. Two of them are Rev. K3. One of the boards has PROMS
on it, and no readable version, but the second has the 330-E5 and the
331-E5. What is your timeframe? I have to power up the right PC with
the eprom burner on it to read them, but that could be done within a
fortnight or less.
Joe Heck
I know this is OT but I thought this was just too neat not to pass on.
My father just retired and he's now trying to clean up 70 years of
packratting. I was over helping him sort out his TTY stuff and found an old
book in the bottom of a drawer titled Service and Instruction manual RADIO
B-24D Airplane. It's a hardbound book printed by Consolidated Aircraft in
1943 that describes all of the radio systems aboard the B-24 Liberator
bomber. It's over 250 pages long and every page in it is marked Restricted
and it covers everything you could ever want to know about the Command,
Marker Beacon, Radio Compass and Laison radio sets including detailed parts
lists, cable and antenna routing, large foldout schematics, pictures of the
radio sets with all the various parts labeled, pictures of the cockpit with
all the rdio controls labeled, radio theory and loads more. One of the odd
things about this book is that it's NOT a military manual. It's written in
(mostly) non-technical and very readable manner and not like the dry
writing style used in military manuals. It's also hard bound with leather
looking cover and a nice gold embossed Consolidated Aircraft seal and title
on the front cover and spine. My father wants me to try and sell it but I
think I might just lose it on my bookshelf!
Joe
Could not find a DS8136 in any book but found the DM8136 in the 1981
National Semiconductor Logic Databook, section 7. It is a 6-bit
Unified Bus COmparator, 16 pin. used to compare two 6 bit words. I have the
paper copy of the documentation, only 3 pages. I'll post more
if somebody needs it, or do it offline.
Joe Heck
