test-drb June 2004

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New finds. Silicon Graphics Personal iris.

by cvisors＠gmail.com

Hi all, its been a while since I have had a decent find of some good machines, but anyway yesterday I got given two personal IRISes. One seems to be dead, as it doesn't seem to pass the diagnostics, the other well it will boot, but the os is hosed on one of the disks, and refuses to boot into single user mode. The other disk which has a realy old version of IRIX (3.3.1) is at the moment attempting to boot, I have got the UNIX copywrite boiler plate, followed by the version of IRIX it's trying to boot, but nothing else.. But it seems to be going through a file system check, as the drive light is pretty much on solid (well its pulsing) , but this has been going on for a few hours. And as I have no idea how long fsck would take on one of these older machines I plan to leave it running for a while to see if it will get anywhere. The other cool things I got with this machine, are manuals galore (Including the Personal Iris Owner's Guide). And one of the installation tapes. (But no tape drive) Does anyone know where one can source the older versions of IRIX for these machines, be it cd or tape images? I know this machine could run IRIX 5.3 which one could get off ebay, but as this machine only has 16 meg of ram, I would prefer to run one of the older versions of IRIX on it, be it 3.x.x or 4.x.x as I haven't ever realy played round with these older versions of UNIX before. Benjamin -- one you lock the target two you bait the line three you slowly spread the net and four you catch the man Front 242 Headhunter

20 years, 2 months

Two free SGI Personal Iris systems, Melbourne Australia

by lists＠popcorn.cx

Greetings, About a year ago, amongst a bunch of stuff from a university, I picked up three SGI Personal Iris systems. They didn't all have hard drives and I think one of the keyboards is dodgy so my plan was to sell one on ebay (which I did) and get a working system out of the last two. This has not happened and I don't forsee it happening in the near future, plus I need the space... I did take a few pictures (just after i got them) for my site and they can be found at http://popcorn.cx/computers/sgi/iris/ What there is: - Two SGI Personal Iris units, '4D/20 ENTRY' configuration (but I'm not sure if they are still that configuration) - Two 21" monitors (see pictures) - Two keyboards - One mouse (maybe two but definitely only one of the special red/blue mouse pads for the early optical mice) - At least one video cable per monitor - Various Irix administration and programming manuals (see the pictures for titles) The cost: Free. The catch: You have to pick it all up from Glen Waverley, Melbourne, Australia. Also since they came from a student computer lab where they booted off the network they will almost definitely need some degree of operating system reinstall. I'll give it a week or two but after that I'll try and find a computer recycling place that will take them, otherwise it is off to the tip (rubbish tip that is)... Stephen -- _ _ _ Stephen Edmonds _/ \_ / \_/ \ Melbourne, Australia <_ " _> / \ / O \ / " \ stephen(a)popcorn.cx / ___ \ | O | http://popcorn.cx/ \_____/ \___/

20 years, 2 months

WTB: MIT Radiation Lab books

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

Hi, I have a couple of the MIT Radiation Laboratory electronics books that were published in the late 1940s and I'd like to get the rest of them. Does anyone have any of them that they're willing to part with? Joe

20 years, 2 months

The Future of Commodore (fwd from cbm-hackers)

by spectre＠floodgap.com

Those of you on cbm-hackers will have already seen this message. Some preamble: Commodore, just yesterday (see www.commodoreworld.com) was reintroduced by trademark holder Tulip as an electronics subsidiary. Most of their current and envisioned product line is fairly unimpressive me-too products including an iPod/iTunes ripoff and they're actually trying to resell the old Epyx Commodore 64 titles to which they have acquired the rights. One thing that has not endeared Tulip to the Commodore community was an attempt to grind down on trademark enforcement. First it was the Commodore name and logo, and then the system ROMs, and there is also some argument over the IP of the 64 itself. Apparently a collabourator called Ironstone is developing a new 64 of their own, separate from the C-1 being created by Jeri Ellsworth, which is nearing completion. There is worry that Ironstone/Tulip will clamp down on new hardware development as a result. What appears below is a note about the new policies by Ruud Baltissen, who was one of the speakers at Commodore's "relaunch" yesterday and a long time member of the Commodore community who was asked to speak at their launch likely as an attempt to bridge the (at the moment) contentious gulf between the classic community and the new corporate environment. Anyone have any comments? This seems like the C64 community is going to get stomped on. (None of this affects the Amiga, AFAIK, which is not owned by Tulip.) ----- Forwarded message from Baltissen, GJPAA ----- From: "Baltissen, GJPAA (Ruud)" <--> To: "'cbm-hackers@..'" Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 11:29:19 +0200 Subject: CommodoreWorld Hallo allemaal, As some of you already know, yesterday the new Commodore presented itself to the world. I was invited as well to speak to the community as one of the users. I felt awfull when on stage :( Most important thing: I have spoken with the top of Tulip and Commodore, four men. One thing we have discussed are the sites like FUNET and ARNOLD, sites that archive ROMs and games. Regarding the games, utilities and other non-system-ROMs they were clear: they considered that as there legal property and as they wanted to make money with it, they would protect these rights. And with reason, see later. Personal point of view: I understand completely and accept it. (But I cannot say I like it). The system-ROMs are another matter. They realise that the C= community is as it is nowadays, thanks to you guys and the information that is available worldwide. Three of the four agree that there has to be made an arrangement or whatever where both parties, Commodore and we developers, could live with. I spoke with the fourth guy, one of the original Tulip-guys and merely money orientated, and showed him things the community had developed on their own the last ten years: Retro Replay, X1541, IDE64, 64HDD and.... Marko's CD. He was impressed and would think things over. But don't blame him as a person, he is a nice guy IMHO, but one that has to run a bussines. A small problem is that they want to sell or include an emulator with one of their products. But they realise that the community as it is now probably is not waiting for their emulator as there are some very good ones available for free. With this emulator they have a reason to forbid publishing systemROMs as wel but..... I spoke with Darren Melbourne, the man behind Ironstone, as well. Ironstone is responsible for the C64-joystick C= will start to sell around october/november. I, of course, asked him about the hardware. The bad news: it will a single chip ASIC. I only forgot to ask him if the ROM with OS and games were inside the ASIC or apart. The good news: I know about who is behind the development of this C64 and therefor we can expect quite some suprises: - The new C64 will have at least 265 colours - It will have higher resolutions - It will have two SID's onboard - The ASIC runs on 27 MHz. I hardly can imagine it needs 27 cycles to emulate one of the original C64. - I asked Darren if there are plans to produce a big C64 based on this print. So he revealed that, although it resembles a joystick, all connections of the normal ports are available in the form of pads. So one could solder his own expansionport, userport or whatever to this stick. - Regarding the extra features: they want to publish the memorymap and other technical details so programmers are able to develop new games etc. for this new C64. The disclaimer: The above info is given by me as it was told me. I'm only human and I could have understood some things wrong. Etc., etc., etc. About the person: Darren doesn't mind to tell me who it is but the person self does because of a personal reason. This C64-joystick is the reason they want to protect their legal rights about the games. But they also want to stimulate the old community to develop programs for this new C64, the community that has thrived on the availability of ROMs and other information. And you won't be making friends by taking away that where those friends are thriving on :) Another point is the makers of hardware like Maurice Randall but also people like Markus Brenner and the Czechs who produce the IDE64. Particulary those who produce hardware that is to be connected to the userport or expansionport. I didn't realise it but these ports are intellectual properties of Commodore as well. So actually anyone building hardware for these ports has to pay C= a fee as well. Regarding Maurice, he bought the stuff from CMD and Tulip/Commodore doesn't know what agreement CMD had with the original C=. Regarding others: three of the four agreed that as long as no big money is involved, they leave the situation as it is. I mentioned the above in my speach and the fourth guy told me he started to realise that actions against these people would loose them a lot of sympathy of the old community as well. The fact is: Commodore/Tulip thrives on the fact that the name Commodore is know worlwide and on the sympathy created (merely) by the C64. So they want to avoid any action that will loose this precious sympathy. But they have a bussiness to run so some things are unavoidable. So: - sites publishing games and related software owned by Commodore have to remove it. - sites publishing kernals/systemROMs are tolerated for the moment [1]. - producers of hardware are tolerated as long as there is not really big money involved for the moment [1]. Rereading the above I may sound a bit pro-Tulip but it is a fact that they have the law on their side. Yesterday I used this example: imagine you inherit a fruitgarden with apples and pears, which has been left alone for ten years. Because nobody cared, the neighbouhood got used to pick their own fruit every autumn. You as the new owner, are only interested in the apples as the pears have no real commercial value for you. So you can leave them hanging to rot or.... tell the neighbourhood generously to help themself with the pears as you don't have a really need for them for the moment [1]. As you have the law on your side, most people will accept the situation. But what are you going to do with people that still pick (thus steal) your apples as well? [1] notice the "for the moment". Lets face it, things can change in the future. But I have been there and I left with a good feeling. And now you can shoot..... -- ___ / __|__ / / |_/ Groetjes, Ruud \ \__|_\ \___| URL: Ruud.C64.org =====DISCLAIMER================================================================= De informatie in dit e-mailbericht is vertrouwelijk en uitsluitend bestemd voor de geadresseerde. Wanneer u dit bericht per abuis ontvangt, verzoeken wij u contact op te nemen met de afzender per kerende e-mail. Verder verzoeken wij u in dat geval dit e-mailbericht te vernietigen en de inhoud ervan aan niemand openbaar te maken. Wij aanvaarden geen aansprakelijkheid voor onjuiste, onvolledige dan wel ontijdige overbrenging van de inhoud van een verzonden e-mailbericht, noch voor daarbij overgebrachte virussen. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be privileged. It may be read, copied and used only by the intended recipient. If you have received it in error, please contact the sender immediately by return e-mail; please delete in this case the e-mail and do not disclose its contents to any person. We don't accept liability for any errors, omissions, delays of receipt or viruses in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. Message was sent through the cbm-hackers mailing list ----- End of forwarded message from Baltissen, GJPAA ----- -- ---------------------------------- personal: http://www.armory.com/~spectre/ -- Cameron Kaiser, Floodgap Systems Ltd * So. Calif., USA * ckaiser(a)floodgap.com -- The world only beats a path to your door when you're in the bathroom. ------

20 years, 2 months

awesome collection of older data books, manuals etc.

by nbreeden2＠comcast.net

Not sure if this has already been posted or not, there is what looks to be an awesome collection of older data books, manuals etc. for auction on E-Bay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6907274702&sspagename=STK %3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 I emailed the person selling them, he estimates them at 1000lbs. They are for local pickup only (NJ area). -Neil

20 years, 2 months

Apple IIe's

by jdjdmfamily＠yahoo.com

hello, you have 10 iie's with cards and software are you willing to sell some? I need the courvs 74mb thing and the "transporter". PLease let me know. THanks So Much, JIm j.

20 years, 2 months

L @@K RARE MINIVAC 601, 1961 COMPUTER, UNIVAC, EXC L@@K

by esharpe＠uswest.net

L@@K RARE MINIVAC 601, 1961 COMPUTER, UNIVAC, EXC L@@K wow... some one shure choked this down for 600+ bucks.. silly me I thought they were $300 high! Please check our web site at http://www.smecc.org to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us. address: coury house / smecc 5802 w palmaire ave glendale az 85301

20 years, 2 months

Commodore 75BM13 monitor ?

by lgwalker＠mts.net

I recently acquired a Commodore 75BM13 monitor. Its' signal-in port is a female 6-pin Din like the C64 serial port. It was manufactured in 1986. The 1902 (non-A) also had a 6-pin port and a cable with an 8-pin on the computer end but I tend to doubt this was a low-cost alternative. The M13 part of the model # undoubtably stands for monochrome 13". I've been unable to find any info on it other than a few oblique references in the CBM newsgroup and a Commodore monitor list with no specs and a question mark opposite a similar model 76BM13. Anyone know what this model might have been used with ? When looking thru my cable stash I came across a cable with the same pin-out on both ends and also "monitor" printed on one end and "computer" on the other end. It didn't come with the monitor and I'm curious what it may be for. Anyone recognize it ? Thank you. I'm no longer on the list but browse it occasionally when I have time. Lawrence

20 years, 2 months

DEC Technical Journals - F.A.

by arcarlini＠iee.org

I'm auctioning some excess (duplicate) DEC Technical Journals and a few duplicate DEC manuals: http://cgi6.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&include=0& userid=dampingwire&sort=2&rows=100&since=-1&rd=1 That will probably wrap horribly, so just search for seller dampingwire. The ones that might interest this list are - the "VAX 8600" - the "MicroVAX II" and - the "Internet and Performance". That last one has an article by Max Burnett and Bob Supnik that covers computer preservation (PDPs etc) and emulation (SIMH). Antonio -- --------------- Antonio Carlini arcarlini(a)iee.org

20 years, 2 months

Places To Visit in NYC?

by ohh＠drizzle.com

Hey, all: Any good places to visit in New York City?... and I should be clear that I'm asking regarding classic-computing kinds of places, rather than MOMA or Shea Stadium or the hellish Disneyesque nightmare that Times Square has become. :) -O.- (who knows I'll be visiting at least two of those in the next week or so, but that's strictly a coincidence)

20 years, 2 months

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