Hi
I wish they'd list what boards were in it. The
picture are just right at the edge of being able
to determine what boards it has.
Dwight
>From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com>
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>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2788264325&category=4193
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>so far $150 - about a day to go.
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> Cheers
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>John
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Hi John
You'll note that unlike most I've seen, this one has
the original component holders. Other than some dust
and rust, this looks like a good unit. The fact that
all of the regulators light up is a good indication.
Compared to other units, this one went for below its
expected value. If the seller had taken about 20 mins
to dust it off, he'd most likely got another $100 or
so for it.
Dwight
>From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com>
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>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2788209717&category=1247
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>20 hours to go - $130.50 so far....
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>Kinda funky looking and tried it out, says "it lights up"...
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>Cheers
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>John
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der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote:
> Where did you find this definition?
It will be the IFCTF definition when I get around to posting it. Though it will
say "ASCII or ASCII extension", and I'm sorry that I didn't make the last bit
clear in my message you are replying to.
> (I suppose typewriters old enough
> to not contain computers don't have keyboards?)
Typewriters were a passing fad of the 19th century. Computers have been around
for billions of years and will be around for billions of years to come. Every
living cell has a microprocessor in its nucleus (too bad biologists are still
refusing to use standard computer science terminology and therefore keep
reinventing the wheels of computer science), and the pagan gods and goddesses
who created us (wrote and compiled our DNA program) surely used computers. The
spacecraft they used to get to this planet from theirs were also computer-
controlled. Oh, and ASCII terminals are also as old as humanity: every ancient
pagan temple had a terminal for the priests to communicate with the gods. And
yes, they used a 7-bit code, 7 being the favourite number of Enki, the god who
played the greatest role in the creation of human civilisation. The 7-bit codes
didn't have the graphic renditions we use today, but then the code is primary,
graphic rendition (if you use one at all) is secondary.
Oh, and I often tend to decode ASCII as Anunnaki Standard Code for Information
Interchange, Anunnaki being the ancient Shumerian term for "Those Who from
Heaven to Earth Came" (i.e., ET visitors translated into modern English), which
was also the proper name by which the pagan gods and goddesses called
themselves. (Different human worshippers knew them by different names, but the
only true name is the one by which the gods called *themselves*.)
> For that matter, based on your comment header, your Compose key is as
> evil as the alt keys you're railing against, since the "what ASCII code
> is it supposed to generate?" question is just as forceful - and indeed,
> since you're producing non-ASCII codes, I guess your LK201 will no
> longer be a keyboard when you're done.
See above, I should have said "ASCII or ASCII extension", the latter being
things like Soviet KOI-8 and ISO 8859 series. But when it comes to Alt, you
gotta admit that it originates in the PC (PeeCee, pee sea, etc) world. DEC's
adding of it to LK401 was a consession to the PeeCee world. And I won't make
any concessions to the enemy.
> (I was afraid a bunch of other keycodes would change or
> some such).
That's unlikely because keeping everything else the same simplifies the firmware
both in the LK401 and in the products designed to use it. (The former needs to
work in LK201 compatibility mode, and most of the latter probably accept an
LK201 unofficially.)
> The keypad . key seems to be dead, though I suspect that may be broken
> keyboard hardware rather than anything LK401-specific.
It's dead in both LK201 and LK401 modes, right?
MS
John,
I've been trying to get a hold of you and you aren't responding to my
messages. Before I give up on you altogether I want to make sure it isn't
because you are ignoring me but rather because perhaps you aren't
receiving my messages.
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I've got a PC ISA board here that is interesting and I'm trying to
identify it. The only markings of note on the board are Okidata 21025.
There is a daughterboard fitted to some sockets on the main board and it
has markings of "OKI KV96-X8D" and "PU1036-4924". The main board has an
Intel i960, and two SIMM slots (populated). It's also got two OKI chips
with the following markings:
OKI ATC
IPC Rev.2.0
MSMI0S0980-014
OKI ATC
HCC Rev.2.0
MSMI0S0300-018
The backplate has 2 RJ14
jacks and a DA-15 (er, the connector is actually bigger than an A shell,
like a Mac video connector). It also has an audio jack.
It could be a modem. It could be a voice board. It might be both. What
is it? Anyone? Anyone?
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Ethan Dicks <dickset(a)amanda.spole.gov> wrote:
> Why? We always "mutiliated" ours. The 8080 (8085?) on the 11/730 console
> board caches the tape directory, so if you put the files on the tape in
> the order they are expected, it loads *lots* faster (like 2 min vs 15 min).
>
> I had a script to build consoles from the VMS side using Exchange. We never
> used virgin DEC-written TU58s.
What you did is perfectly reasonable for *use*. It is not appropriate for
history preservation. For the latter purpose one needs a sector image of a
virgin DEC original TU58, and anything else can be described as mutilated for
this purpose.
MS
der Mouse <mouse(a)rodents.montreal.qc.ca> wrote:
> As may be. Do they not have keyboards?
Well, OK, I would argue that the keyboard of a 19th century typewriter is still
an ASCII entry device. Any time you produce letter 'A', even if you handwrite
it or type it on a 19th century typewriter, you are actually producing the
fundamental symbol ("symbol" defined as "signal element" in communication
theory) 1000001 in a roundabout way, whether you realise this or not. Kids who
handwrite letters and 19th century people who typed on typewriters certainly
don't/didn't realise that they are actually generating ASCII letters, but
that's what they are fundamentally (see my previous message in response to
Kevin).
> I do? I don't know where it originated.
Well, it's certainly more than 10 years old and on-topic for this list, so if
I'm wrong on this, ClassicCmpers please correct me, but I think the Alt key
originates at the time when people began to stray from the sanctity of the
Terminal and started entertaining the fad of "personal computer" /
"workstation". That's when they moved Esc and Ctrl from where the Gods and
Goddesses of ASCII placed them (immediately to the left of 1 and A,
respectively), thinking that people don't need them anymore. This is the shift
in mentality that I am revolting against: previously everyone was required to
know the ASCII chart by heart and everybody used Ctrl and Esc to enter special
codes. Anyone who typed on a keyboard knew that he (yes, HE!) was sending
CODES to the computer. Then the mentality changed to the current fucking M$
Word mentality, where the luser (a chick) knows nothing about Computer Science
and only know "to invoke this function in Word, I press Alt-this..."
> What _I_ dislike about the LK401 (and LK201, for that matter) is that
> the <X] key and the right Shift key are single keys; I want each of
> those to be split into two keys.
Let me guess... You want it like the VT100 keyboard (and all truly Classic
ASCII keyboards of the Golden Age) where in that area you had 4 separate keys
generating ASCII BS, Delete, CR, and LF, right? If so, I'm in perfect
agreement!
MS
(This one appears to have fallen through the cracks.)
Patrick Finnegan <pat(a)computer-refuge.org> wrote:
> I don't have any images for the 11/730... but I too am searching for
> images - but for my 11/750. If anyone has images of tapes used on the
> 11/750, please let me know.
Original DEC:
ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/support/mdec/750console
For UNIX:
ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/4.3BSD-Quasijarus0c/cassette.Z
MS
