Hi Joe
If you have any extras, I'd like on also ;)
Dwight
>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
>
> I'll bet that you'll be asking for some iSBX Bubble Memory cards next!
>
> Joe
>
>
>>
>>At 10:52 AM 12/21/2004, Arlen Michaels wrote:
>>>The recent thread about getting river's iPDS up and running has reminded me:
>>>
>>>Does anyone have a spare "Multimodule Adapter Board" for the Intel iPDS?
>>>This is the adapter that allows iSBX cards (like bubble memory) to be added
>>>to the iPDS cpu board. As far as I can tell, it has four iSBX connectors on
>>>it, and plugs into J5 on the base processor board. If anyone has an extra,
>>>or even a picture and schematic so I could make one by hand, please get in
>>>touch.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>Arlen Michaels
>>
>>
>
>
Tom Jennings <tomj(a)wps.com> wrote:
> I estimate my little 47uF/35VDC tant must now be, oh, a TF
> or more (teraFarad).
TF? That's nothing, there are plenty of PF (petafarad) caps around in
USA, or at least labeled as such by manufacturers who can't figure out
that SI unit symbols and prefixes are case-sensitive.
MS
We're all wrong! Tantalums don't "fail" -- that's not zero-ohms
you measure across the two mangled pins -- it's INFINITE
CAPACITANCE!
I estimate my little 47uF/35VDC tant must now be, oh, a TF
or more (teraFarad). Of course it blows the 5amp fuse in the
power supply! The TC is measured in YEARS...
There's no other explanation possible.
None.
I am not listening to you.
The "Modern Marvels" series (History Channel) is showing this special episode
again. Here on the east coast, it's beginning... right now (7pm).
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Does anyone have the last few pages of the DF32 (not DF32D) manual? I
was specifically interested in the board used to display track
selection, etc, for the diskless tests. IIRC, it's on like page 6-41,
and the copy of the DF32 maint manual on bitsavers only goes up to
6-37.
Thanks,
-ethan
having a hard time finding this manual....I waz wondering if i can get a copy from you if still around...thanks steve peddle
>From cctech(a)classiccmp.org Wed Dec 11 09:28:49 2002
From: cctech(a)classiccmp.org (Rich Beaudry)
Date: Wed Dec 11 09:28:49 2002
Subject: MPF-1 Manuals
Message-ID: <F97DF7WCI5TrcDd4ism0000783a(a)hotmail.com>
Hello all,
I just changed jobs, and the new place has a *TOTAL* lockdown on web
browsing, even for the engineers, so I have not been keeping track of the
list.
I was catching up tonight from home, and saw Adrian's note about me and the
MPF-1. I indeed have one, with manuals, and would be happy to make copies
for whoever needs them. Please email me off-list, and we can set it up.
One small caveat: I have a metric crapload of things going on, so it may be
a few *weeks* before I can get to it. If you can wait, I can make copies...
:-)
Rich B.
I have a Syquest 44MB internal drive, model SQ555, which came with
an enclosure that I picked up. I don't know the status of the drive
but it is free for the price of shipping to the first person to
claim it...
--tom
For what it's worth there is a manual for the Votrax Type N Talk at the URL below, I believe they used the same speech chip (SC-01). Crap, I had a Votrax PSS about 4 years ago and sold it for pennies on the dollar!
http://members.aol.com/itsancientpics3/votraxmanual.htm
There is also a neat piece of DOS software to read the screen through a PSS at: http://park.org/Guests/Trace/pavilion/dosshar1.htm
Sorry, that's all I can come up with.
Gary Fisher
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Original Message Follows:
Message: 35
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 19:53:07 -0500
From: "Jonathan Gevaryahu" <jgevaryahu(a)hotmail.com>
Subject: wanted: Votrax PSS manual
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
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I recently obtained a Votrax Personal Speech System which unfortunately for
me, did not include the power supply or the manual.
Thanks to Robert Stek's informative post
(http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-February/010608.html) on
this list in Feb '03, I am in the process of constructing a power supply for
it.
(i.e. I eBayed a 28VAC transformer and am using an 18.5VDC laptop power
supply instead of 20VDC which HOPEFULLY won't hurt anything, until I find a
satisfactory 20VDC power supply, and am cannibalizing a DIN-5 connector from
a dead keyboard)
However, I still lack a copy of the PSS's manual, so I can't figure out how
to set the various device modes, to control the AY-3-8910 audio generator
chip, etc.
If anyone here has the manual for the Votrax Personal Speech System and has
some means to scan or digitize it (a digital camera will work) can they post
or send me a copy of the images? It would be very much appreciated.
Jonathan Gevaryahu
Does anyone happen to know anything about obscure sizes of tractor-feed
paper?
We've now got the console typewriter of the PDP-1 at the Computer History
Museum working correctly. It is an IBM Model B electric typewriter
modified by Soroban Engineering for use as an I/O device. Soroban added
an encoder and a decoder mechanism, using switches, solenoids, bails, etc.
There was a bent leaf switch contact that resulted in incorrect character
codes on input, and two stuck solenoids that resulted in incorrect
characters typed.
Anyhow, the typewriter will accept individual sheets, but it also has
tractors for continuous forms. But the distance between the sprockets
is approximately 13 1/8", which is narrower than the sprocket spacing
of standard line-printer paper.
A Google search reveals plenty of places that sell 9 1/2" wide or
14 7/8" wide continuous forms, but are other sizes readily available?
Thanks!
Eric Smith
volunteer, Computer History Museum PDP-1 Restoration Project
http://pdp-1.org/
Hi everybody,
the information technology "museum" at Erlangen University (for which I work
part-time) will be aquiring two HP 1000 systems in the near future, an A600+
in a 16-slot cardcage with a "piano-seat" disk/tape unit (7912P) and an A700
in a big cabinet with rackmount storage (7908 and 7912). I'd really like to
have them arrive undamaged.
As noted in the archives, there should be a shipping lock on these drives
(see http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-April/013531.html).
We've already received the documentation for the system, but obviously the
now important parts (Disc Drive Installation Manuals 07908-90902 and
07912-90902) are missing. Some Google activation brought up several sellers
of used drives along with a few classiccmp threads, but no online copy of
the manual.
Can somebody please tell me how to properly prepare the drives for
transport? From what I read here, they're not very reliable anyway, but one
doesn't need to make matters worse. They're in a building just across the
yard, but as I always need to coordinate three parties to do something
there, it would be best to know what to do *before* actually poking around
in the cabinets.
Your instructions (or redirections to web resources) will be sincerely
appreciated.
--
Arno Kletzander
Stud. Hilfskraft Informatik Sammlung Erlangen
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What do you folks make of this site?
http://free-game-downloads.mosw.com/
That have a bunch of software for download. Some of it is Abandonware.
Or at least it's claimed to be Abandonware. How do we know it's
Abandonware? They have nothing on their site (that I could find) that
confirms that these are abandonware, and there are thousands of titles
there.
They want money if you want to download anything. I can understand them
wanting to cover their costs, but this seems pretty sleazy to me.
Opinions?
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I recently obtained a Votrax Personal Speech System which unfortunately for
me, did not include the power supply or the manual.
Thanks to Robert Stek's informative post
(http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctech/2003-February/010608.html) on
this list in Feb '03, I am in the process of constructing a power supply for
it.
(i.e. I eBayed a 28VAC transformer and am using an 18.5VDC laptop power
supply instead of 20VDC which HOPEFULLY won't hurt anything, until I find a
satisfactory 20VDC power supply, and am cannibalizing a DIN-5 connector from
a dead keyboard)
However, I still lack a copy of the PSS's manual, so I can't figure out how
to set the various device modes, to control the AY-3-8910 audio generator
chip, etc.
If anyone here has the manual for the Votrax Personal Speech System and has
some means to scan or digitize it (a digital camera will work) can they post
or send me a copy of the images? It would be very much appreciated.
Jonathan Gevaryahu
P.S. I'm sorry if this message gets onto the list multiple times, I
initially sent it to cctech from my comcast account with a different return
address, and I thought it had been 'moderated to death'. So I sent it to
cctalk instead, with the same account... and my message still never showed
up. (I guess classiccmp.org is rejecting all comcast mail as spam or
something nasty like that) So now, I'm sending it through hotmail, and I
HOPE it gets through...
On Dec 21 2004, 16:38, Joe R. wrote:
> Can anyone id this cable?
> <http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/cable/Mvc-002f.jpg> It looks DEC-ish
but it
> has fewer pins (24) than the DEC HP-IB cables.
24 pins makes sense for HP-IB/GP-IB, and the "piggy-back" connector
looks right, but the other end doesn't look like the DEC GP-IB cable
for my IBV-11, either. Is there a part number on either of those white
labels that are visible near the ends?
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Hello,
I was looking for MaxxBoxxes when I came across your Musings. I was
curious if you had ever found one? And if I may ask, where have you
been looking?
Thanks,
Chris Browder
(-AIM-) Vdubbed83 )
(-Homepage-) http://homepage.mac.com/kcfoxie/ )
--
"Total everything up and you may be surprised (but probably not) to
find that Apple spent at least three-quarters of 2004 being officially
late with one or more products... And since everything Apple does is,
by definition, the height of fashion and the epitome of cool, obviously
"late" is the new black." -J. Miller, www.appleturns.com
Hi all!
I was just wondering if anyone on here knows what (if any) hacks have
ever been done to a Philips/Magnavox VideoWriter? I was mainly wondering
if anyone has ever been able to get any other operating system (namely
CP/M) working on these boxes.
David M. Vohs
Digital Archaeologist & Computer Historian
Computer Collection:
"Triumph": Commodore 64, 1802, 1541, Indus GT, FDD-1, GeoRAM 512, MPS-801.
"Leela": Original Apple Macintosh, Imagewriter II.
"Delorean": TI-99/4A, TI Speech Synthesizer.
"Spectrum": Tandy Color Computer III.
"Monolith": Apple Macintosh Portable.
"Boombox": Sharp PC-7000.
"Butterfly": Tandy 200, PDD-2.
"Shapeshifter": Epson QX-10, Comrex HDD, Titan graphics/MS-DOS board.
"Scout": Otrona Attache.
(prospective) "Pioneer": Apple LISA II
(prospective) "Mercury": HP-85.
(prospective) "Evolver": Commodore Amiga 2000
"TMA-1": Atari Portfolio, Memory Expander +
I now have 7 of these liberator 220's. I don't have the cables yet to
test them, or even know if the cables I have coming will work.
Looking inside the cases they have 2 full height drives in there. They
are standard 50 pin scsi drives.
The two drives connect to what has to be a scsi-->dssi board. This is
making me think that could change these drives for something bigger.
But if anyone knows more about these I would love to know. I was
wondering if the two drives inside are mirrored or in an array. The
arey in a rack all daisy-chained together, unless someone has messed
about with it, I thought dssi was max 7 devices.
They also have a programmable front panel, with no instructions and
just three buttons. Does anyone know how this works.
Also does anyone know how the speed of these compare to standad dssi drives.
This is going to go great on the 4000/705a. It would be nice if I
could swap a couple of the drives for 18gb.
Apologies if you read them, I have asked the same questions on both
vms and dec newsgroups.
Thanks
Dan
On Dec 21 2004, 22:39, Gooijen H wrote:
> > Pete wrote:
> > ... when my department gets its big scanner, probably in January
> > (Sorry, Henk, it's not an Oce).
>
> I hate to go off-topic for a moment, but I can't resist here,
> I am very loyal / pro-minded to my employer :~) <shameless plug>
> Does your scanner do 55 pages Letter or A4 size (1-sided per minute,
> or 27 ditto (2-sided) automatically at 600 DPI ?
No, I don't know the actual figures, but the one we had on eval seemed,
subjectively, about 2/3 or maybe 3/4 of that speed. It's an HP, but I
can't remember the model number either. You have to understand that it
was a huge battle getting any scanner at all in our department!
> And besides, the software that moves the scanner carriage was
entirely
> written by me! For the mechanics under us: the carriage accelerates
> to approx 1 m/s in 33 msec!
> Don't ask what happened after I made a mistake in the path
calculation
> software and tried to run that code on the engineering prototype (way
> back in 1994) ...! I was not the only one unhappy with the results!!
When I worked in CompSci, we got a big fast Oce scanner/copier, about
1997, I think. One of those that collects the output internally,
safely away from fingers, because the paper goes fast enough to cut
fingers off if they're not out of the way. I remember the first print
job I sent it, a large A4 manual printed from a PDF file. I walked the
length of the corridor to the print room, saw no output, and was
slightly surprised -- for about 3 seconds, when a *large* block of
paper was neatly deposited on the output tray.
> LOL, this (..) is typical "Pete humor".
(Yeah, I must do something about those () keys as well).
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Hi
From the looks of the back, it is one of the battery backed
units as well. I suspect that the front panel lights come
on but nothing works, like my unit did until I learned
the resistor in the connector trick.
Dwight
>From: "Joe R." <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
>
> He certainly hasn't found your website, has he Al? At least he's not
>claiming that it's "complete and fully functional" like the seller of that
>recent F-series 1000 did.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>At 08:59 AM 12/21/04 -0800, Al wrote:
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1247&item=5150357271
>>
>>"A shroud of mystery hangs over the history and specification of this
>classic computer system."
>>
>>--
>>
>>Good thing he wasn't trying to sell something was really WAS obscure.
>>
>>
>
>
> Pete wrote:
> ... when my department gets its big scanner, probably in January
> (Sorry, Henk, it's not an Oce).
I hate to go off-topic for a moment, but I can't resist here,
I am very loyal / pro-minded to my employer :~) <shameless plug>
Does your scanner do 55 pages Letter or A4 size (1-sided per minute,
or 27 ditto (2-sided) automatically at 600 DPI ?
And besides, the software that moves the scanner carriage was entirely
written by me! For the mechanics under us: the carriage accelerates
to approx 1 m/s in 33 msec!
Don't ask what happened after I made a mistake in the path calculation
software and tried to run that code on the engineering prototype (way
back in 1994) ...! I was not the only one unhappy with the results!!
> Sorry about the spelling and dropped characters in my last post, BTW.
> Must fix this keyboard (right after I fix these fingers).
LOL, this (..) is typical "Pete humor".
- Henk.
Hi All,
Can anyone id this cable?
<http://www.classiccmp.org/hp/cable/Mvc-002f.jpg> It looks DEC-ish but it
has fewer pins (24) than the DEC HP-IB cables. I keep finding these but
I've never found them on the equipment that they're made for. Right now I
have four of them, 2 are made from Belden cables, one for a HP cable and
the other doesn't have a manufactures name.
Thanks and Happy Holidays,
Joe
Ok, I checked.
I am that fast back because I remembered exactly where to look :~)
I have one before me on the desk.
It has the following description:
PRODUCT CODE: AC-8528C-MC
PRODUCT NAME: CZDLDC0 DL11-W DIAG
DATE CREATED: MARCH 1978
MAINTAINER : DIAGNOSTIC ENGINEERING
AUTHOR : DAN CASALETTO
Don't be fooled, it is printed on Letter format, 2-sided!
Only the first 6 pages are one page per side, all the following
pages are scaled: 2 pages per side, thus 4 pages (or images) per sheet.
The first 6 pages describe the load and start procedure, the switch
bits to get special functions, etc. just as described on my site.
The scaled pages contain the assembly source (output) listing ...
they are numbered from "seq 0012"up to "seq 0103", and I checked,
the numbering is not octal but decimal!
If there is interest I could start to scan these to 600 dpi PDF files,
but I have a stack of approx 20-30 cm high, so that will be a lot MB's!
I could start making a list of what's in the box. Xmas is coming :~)
- Henk.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
To: info-pdp11(a)village.org; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Sent: 21-12-2004 17:27
Subject: Old Unibus PDP-11 XXDP diagnostics
Does anyone have any info/documentation on the XXDP diagnostics for
older PDP-11 systems and peripherals? I'm looking in particular for the
11/40 (11/35), RK05, DZ11, RL02, MM11 core memory, RX01, RL01
diagnostics. I have found some info on Henk's site, but would like to
know if anyone has a comprehensive list and hints on how to run these,
what the output means, how to answer the prompts, etc.
I have created RL02 packs with XXDP 2.5 and XXDP 2.2 and I can boot and
run stuff from these packs. It appears that the 11/40 diagnostics are
on XXDP 2.2, but not on XXDP 2.5. I have an old 1976 DEC field rep
troubleshooting guide that refers to various MAINDECs, which seem to
have been the diagnostics prior to XXDP. Is there a list somewhere
showing what the XXDP equivalents of the old MAINDECs are?
Any help would be appreciated. I want to exercise my 11/40 and attached
peripherals and see if any subtle gremlins are lurking anywhere within.
Everything appears to be working perfectly with the exception of one of
my three RK05 drives that I knew was problematic.
Ashley
Ok, I have looked around in the documents for Angelfire, at other sites
and I am still having problems getting this..
<a href="download/RockScissorPaper.dmg">RockScissorPaper</a>
trys to download RockScissorsPaper.HTML when I click it (the html I
actually get
is angelfire's 404 page)
phhht.
What is the "right" way to make a file available on my web page?
I could go and check ... AFAICR I also have a stack of listings that
belong to XXDP programs. When a stop/halt occurs at an address, you
read the listing of the XXDP diagnostic program to learn near the
address where the stop occurred for what reason that stop occurred.
I'll report back later!
- Henk.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
To: info-pdp11(a)village.org; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Sent: 21-12-2004 17:27
Subject: Old Unibus PDP-11 XXDP diagnostics
Does anyone have any info/documentation on the XXDP diagnostics for
older PDP-11 systems and peripherals? I'm looking in particular for the
11/40 (11/35), RK05, DZ11, RL02, MM11 core memory, RX01, RL01
diagnostics. I have found some info on Henk's site, but would like to
know if anyone has a comprehensive list and hints on how to run these,
what the output means, how to answer the prompts, etc.
I have created RL02 packs with XXDP 2.5 and XXDP 2.2 and I can boot and
run stuff from these packs. It appears that the 11/40 diagnostics are
on XXDP 2.2, but not on XXDP 2.5. I have an old 1976 DEC field rep
troubleshooting guide that refers to various MAINDECs, which seem to
have been the diagnostics prior to XXDP. Is there a list somewhere
showing what the XXDP equivalents of the old MAINDECs are?
Any help would be appreciated. I want to exercise my 11/40 and attached
peripherals and see if any subtle gremlins are lurking anywhere within.
Everything appears to be working perfectly with the exception of one of
my three RK05 drives that I knew was problematic.
Ashley
On Dec 21 2004, 9:14, Guy Sotomayor wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 08:27, Ashley Carder wrote:
> > Does anyone have any info/documentation on the XXDP diagnostics for
> > older PDP-11 systems and peripherals? I'm looking in particular for
> > the 11/40 (11/35), RK05, DZ11, RL02, MM11 core memory, RX01, RL01
> > diagnostics. I have found some info on Henk's site, but would like
to
> > know if anyone has a comprehensive list and hints on how to run
these,
> > what the output means, how to answer the prompts, etc.
It would be a big list :-) I had a whole box of microfiche of them,
once. Later diagnostics use a common set of "switches" to tell them
whether to halt on error, loop on erro, produce lots of reports, etc;
alsmost all diagnostics have specific settings to determine what they
do in detail. If they halt on error, you need the isting to determine
exactly what caused the halt -- they don't, in general, print much
informative info.
> OK, the "magic decoder ring" for converting the MAINDECs to XXDP
names
> is quite simple. The MAINDEC # is of the form:
> MAINDEC-11-Dxxxx-*
>
> To convert this to the XXDP diagnostic name keep only the xxxx part
of
> the MAINDEC #. To run it, do:
> R xxxx??
>
> The first letter in the diagnostic name tells you what processor it's
> for. If I remember correctly C=11/40, Z=any
B is 11/40; C is 11/45
> There's a document that tells all about it (but I can't remember
where I
> found it at the moment).
That would probably be mine, at
http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/PDP-11/XXDP.pdf
XXDP.ps is the same content, just a different format.
The bits from page 6 to 12 are from V2.4, but the rest is mostly
version-independant.
> The pack images that you're talking about don't have the correct
memory
> diagnostic, but I've found that ZMSDD0 (wow! from memory...can you
tell
> I've used it a bunch?) works OK enough to be able to find bad memory
and
> you'll know when you hit bad memory. I've also found that having a
> hardcopy terminal is preferable to a CRT when you're getting
failures.
>
> If a diagnostic loads and then gives you a prompt like "DB>", START
is a
> good choice as a response.
--
Pete Peter Turnbull
Network Manager
University of York
Has anyone cached this yet? The bit rates are so low that it must be hosted
on his machine at home.
Heaven help him if this story gets posted to Slashdot :-)
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From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Vintage Computer
Festival
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:41 PM
To: Classic Computers Mailing List
Subject: Apollo Guidance Computer prototype replica
This is going to blow your mind. This guy built a replica of the Apollo
Guidance Computer prototype circa 1964 using 1960s era components.
http://starfish.osfn.org/AGCreplica/
Do I sense here a Best of Show award at the next VCF? :)
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Not trying to start any flames but I didn't think they had any 30/30
rifles in UK. I thought that's why the Bobbies carried batons and a
whistle.
Sellam says
>
>Maybe it was both: the 30/30 evoked the name of the rifle, which also
>happened to be the name of a nearby locale, and the naming was obvious
>thenceforth.
Mike
I think we've discussed this before. Sorry if we're re-treading old
ground.
I'm trying to read a disk an old double-density PC formatted disk on a
high-density drive. I can read the directory and certain small files just
fine, but any files that are larger than a few sectors (or perhaps that
span a track) return "Sector Not Found" errors. What is the deal with
that?
This is under DOS 6.22. Is there a way to get DOS to recognize that this
is a double-density disk and to perform whatever internal magic is
necessary to read the disk properly? Or is this an issue of hardware?
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Hi everyone,
This is VERY cool: Jeri Ellsworth and her C64 30-in-1 joystick are featured in
The New York Times. As I write this email (2:54AM, Monday), it's on the actual
nytimes.com homepage, with a color photo of her. The article itself is at
(http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/20/technology/20joystick.html?8dpc).
There is a product review of the 30-in-1, head-to-head against the new Atari
Flashback, at my own site (http://news.computercollector.com) -- click the
'reviews' link.
Happy vintage gaming!
- Evan K.
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The intellectual property issues would be key for me, too and could
have been dealt with in a few sentences. As far as the crappy-versus-good
title licenses, I would offer up that the final choice of games comes down
to (1) which IP owner you could locate and (2) successfully negotiate with.
There's the firm...Tulip I think...that from what I've read seems to
be ready to come down hard on anyone using abandoned Commodore properties
for commercial gain. It's been a long road of failed owners, but I believe
Tulip owns the Commodore trademarks and IP. I can't say for sure if they own
the designs for the 6510 but I would assume that they bought a "package" of
IP from Gateway, who bought it from Ascom AG, who bought it from the
Commodore bankruptcy estate for $5mm (IIRC). There might be another name in
there after Ascom, but I can't be sure.
I think that Tulip uses the Commodore name for things other than
computers but owns all of the goodies that's of particular interest to this
group.
Rich
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:46 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Our hobby in The New York Times -- sort of
At 02:41 PM 12/20/2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
>I can think of at least one more important issue to be concerned with :)
Judging by Slashdot's coverage of Ellsworth and the geek response,
at least 90% of this mailing list's bandwidth needs to be consumed
debating her "hotness."
Sated geek that I am, I'd love to read an in-depth article on the
intellection property issues: Did they get permission from the
CBM's heirs? Who got the 6510's IP rights? What about the software,
was that easy to license? Why do so many of these cheap emulators
license lousy titles, as opposed to the extinct top-sellers?
- John
> I was wondering whether anyone here with '70s
> issues of SciAm might be able to make a copy,
Likely I have the issue stored.
I'd have to leave it to you right
now to find out which issue it would be.
With that info I could make you a copy.
John A.
hope this can help you
Bill the cat: "ACK TBFfffttt!"
Deciphered the missing keyboard cable and the far, far too
complicated keyboard interface (I practically rewired a Cromemco
PRI board to be an interface for this lovely Microswitch parallel
keyboard -- very hardware-head), soaked & washed the mouse
poop off the floppy cable, repaired the section of conductor
#50 nibbled by said rodentia, picked a system floppy at random
(DSSD), typed "b" at the prompt... READ ERROR.
Pulled a SSSD system disk, booted fine! Some fiddling, I can't
read any sectors of side 2. That I will figure out. It does
figure out sidedness.
Found I have bunches of blank NOS DSDD floppies, not one SSSD
blank! So no formatting etc.
So I ran all the progs on the system disk (wordstar, sid, pmate,
stat, etc) OK. Since I've got a bunch of SSSD system disks,
I stuck another in the B drive (a sssd drive, since mice ruined
the orig. drive), and ran MBASIC 5.03 off it.
Man, the B drive spindle bearing is trashed; it's
conversation-level loud. The G and right-shift keys on the
keyboard don't work, and the RETURN key sends a garbage character
then CR (but Control-M works so I can do stuff).
I need to fix the "G" key, figure out the serial port stuff,
then I can export the SSSD diskette contents. Once I fix the DS
thing I'll do the other non 3740 format diskettes. I don't know
yet what order I'll do things in though I will probably get one
of the serial ports working to make sure. Luckily I have ZAPLOAD
(bin to hex) and telink (telecomm) progs on the system disk.
At 12:50 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
>Has anyone cached this yet? The bit rates are so low that it must be hosted
>on his machine at home.
>Heaven help him if this story gets posted to Slashdot :-)
Either there's a CCC Effect, or maybe whereever Sellam learned
about it, others learned too. I'm getting about 1-4K/sec, but
the first PDF is 8 meg. I can mirror when it's done.
If you look up one directory, you'll see he's mirroring
Carl Friend's site.
- John
> Tulip owns the Commodore trademarks and IP. I can't say for sure if they
> own the designs for the 6510
It doesn't really matter, as no one building a product today would use
any portion of the original 6510 design that is subject to intellectual
property protection. The DTV 64-in-a-joystick, for instance, uses a
new 6510-compatible HDL implementation.
AFAIK, the only part of the original 6510 design that would be subject
to intellectual property protection now would be the actual mask designs,
which might (or might not) be copyrighted. No one in their right mind
would try to make new 3 micron NMOS processors today, and the mask designs
are not relevant to new redesigns.
Actually in 1975 or 1976 one of my fellow graduate students, moving to
Beaverton Oregon to work for Tektronix, was trying to move some early
disk drives and was asked by the movers what they were. Home
furnishings were readily moveable but not office stuff. So he put them
in washer and dryer boxes and the movers were happy to move them. They
had been used as end tables in his living room up until them.
He also built the first Altair I ever saw.
Andy said
>
>My experience of early hard disks was with the ICT EDS-4 which stored
4M 6-bit characters (ie about 3 MB) - the >(exchangeable) disk pack was
close to the size of a complete PC ... the drives were referred to as
"washing machines" >because of their size and appearance. (and the
controller was about the same size also). The IBM equivalent was, I
>think, the 1311 ... the 2311 being equivalent to the ICT EDS-8 (which
had twice as many tracks as the eds4 but was >otherwise identical)
Mike
Here are a few Web links that talks about Tulip and the C64. Some are bit
old, but worth a read:
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111556,00.asp
Article from 2003 that gives an overall look at the relationship.
http://www.tulip.com/news/article.asp?nid=109
This one raises as many questions as it answers. It only speaks to
enforcement for the unauthorized use of the Commodore name.
http://www.tulip.com/aboutus/corp_article.asp?nid=145
This is an interesting link, too. Although it's in Dutch, the product looks
remarkably similar to the one Jeri is holding in her hand.
Interestingly, in a note on Ruud Baltassen's site indicates that Tulip
doesn't mind people using the Commodore name in a non-commercial setting, I
guess acknowledging that in the time between when it purchased "the name and
other assets in 1997" and 2003 when they talk about developing game products
for the PC (like the Atari Anthology program, I'm guessing -- old games
running on a new machine using an emulator), a lot has happened.
The problem is that no one ever says what "other assets" is.
Rich
I just found and captured this programmable calculator. It still has a
roll of paper in the feed. I would like it to go to a good home. It is
heavy and big. I have not tried to power it up. Google search turned
up the following information.
Looks just like
http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/c-programma101.html
Any offers?
Mike McFadden
Ahhh...I thought I recognized the domain name from somewhere.
-----Original Message-----
From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org
[mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:22 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Apollo Guidance Computer prototype replica
At 12:50 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote:
>Has anyone cached this yet? The bit rates are so low that it must be hosted
>on his machine at home.
>Heaven help him if this story gets posted to Slashdot :-)
Either there's a CCC Effect, or maybe whereever Sellam learned
about it, others learned too. I'm getting about 1-4K/sec, but
the first PDF is 8 meg. I can mirror when it's done.
If you look up one directory, you'll see he's mirroring
Carl Friend's site.
- John
Which HP 264x terminals used 8008 cpus? I know that the 2640 and 2644 did -
but did the 2648 or any others in the series also use it? What is the HP p/n
for the 8008 in this application?
Jack
I'm in the middle of some repair work on an older Heathkit O-Scope model
IO-102, the vertical board uses an N-Channel FET (Q1 - EL131 - Heathkit part
number 417-241) which has become very thermal. I picked up a replacement
>from a local electronics distributor however the crossed NTE part simply
doesn't work in the circuit. (NTE cross shows an NTE133 as the cross for the
EL131). I've tried a couple NTE133s and an MPF105 as well, all work the same
in the circuit but don't work correctly.
Does anyone know of an exact EL131 replacement, know if the ECG312 really is
a good replacement or even better know where I can get a Heathkit
replacement part. Digikey, Mouser etc. all don't recognize the EL131 part
number.
Thanks
-Neil
Michael..
You might try posting them in the both the "free" area and "computer" area
on Craigslist (www.craigslist.org); that might work. The IIsi has pretty
much no value - ie: I doubt anyone would pay anything for one beyond the
cost of shipping unless it has one or another of the more interesting PDS
cards or adapters (does it?). I have quite a few si's that I've picked up
at the local recycling depot. The 7200 is a more useful machine which is
still upgradable. What comes with them by way of peripherals/ keyboards/ old
sofware/ whatnot? I've been keeping a double handful of older Macs around
here and the software to run 'em just in case some day down the line when
I'm old and gray I suddenly have the urge to run PageMaker v. 2, or even
Excel 1.04 (all 170K of it)...or the original MacPaint.
Seth Lewin
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:18:55 -0500
> From: Michael <vaxlion(a)postal.lionsden.com>
> Subject: Macintosh collector groups?
> To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
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> Howdy all,
>
> I have two Macs, a Mac IIsi and 7200, I would like to get rid of. Does
> anyone have any recommendation for a Mac collectors group that might
> have some individuals interested in these machines? Listings for these
> machines on both Ebay and Vintage Marketplace have yeilded no takers.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -- Michael
I went to one of my favorite scrounging spots today and found an
interesting disk drive with a HP-IB inteface. The drive was made by IEM and
it has two 105Mb removable cartridge drives in it. It looks like it takes
Syquest disk cartridges. Does anyone have a couple of spare Syquest 105 mb
cartridges to spare so I can try it out?
Joe