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by marvin＠rain.org

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20 years, 6 months

OT: Html clue?

by ron.hudson＠sbcglobal.net

Ok, I have looked around in the documents for Angelfire, at other sites and I am still having problems getting this.. <a href="download/RockScissorPaper.dmg">RockScissorPaper</a> trys to download RockScissorsPaper.HTML when I click it (the html I actually get is angelfire's 404 page) phhht. What is the "right" way to make a file available on my web page?

20 years, 6 months

Old Unibus PDP-11 XXDP diagnostics

by GOOI＠oce.nl

I could go and check ... AFAICR I also have a stack of listings that belong to XXDP programs. When a stop/halt occurs at an address, you read the listing of the XXDP diagnostic program to learn near the address where the stop occurred for what reason that stop occurred. I'll report back later! - Henk. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org To: info-pdp11(a)village.org; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Sent: 21-12-2004 17:27 Subject: Old Unibus PDP-11 XXDP diagnostics Does anyone have any info/documentation on the XXDP diagnostics for older PDP-11 systems and peripherals? I'm looking in particular for the 11/40 (11/35), RK05, DZ11, RL02, MM11 core memory, RX01, RL01 diagnostics. I have found some info on Henk's site, but would like to know if anyone has a comprehensive list and hints on how to run these, what the output means, how to answer the prompts, etc. I have created RL02 packs with XXDP 2.5 and XXDP 2.2 and I can boot and run stuff from these packs. It appears that the 11/40 diagnostics are on XXDP 2.2, but not on XXDP 2.5. I have an old 1976 DEC field rep troubleshooting guide that refers to various MAINDECs, which seem to have been the diagnostics prior to XXDP. Is there a list somewhere showing what the XXDP equivalents of the old MAINDECs are? Any help would be appreciated. I want to exercise my 11/40 and attached peripherals and see if any subtle gremlins are lurking anywhere within. Everything appears to be working perfectly with the exception of one of my three RK05 drives that I knew was problematic. Ashley

20 years, 6 months

Don Lancaster's postings on alt.marketing.online.ebay

by aek＠spies.com

quite an interesting newsgroup, actually. stumbled onto it yesterday. http://www.tinaja.com/aucres01.asp may be of interest.

20 years, 6 months

Old Unibus PDP-11 XXDP diagnostics

by pete＠dunnington.u-net.com

On Dec 21 2004, 9:14, Guy Sotomayor wrote: > On Tue, 2004-12-21 at 08:27, Ashley Carder wrote: > > Does anyone have any info/documentation on the XXDP diagnostics for > > older PDP-11 systems and peripherals? I'm looking in particular for > > the 11/40 (11/35), RK05, DZ11, RL02, MM11 core memory, RX01, RL01 > > diagnostics. I have found some info on Henk's site, but would like to > > know if anyone has a comprehensive list and hints on how to run these, > > what the output means, how to answer the prompts, etc. It would be a big list :-) I had a whole box of microfiche of them, once. Later diagnostics use a common set of "switches" to tell them whether to halt on error, loop on erro, produce lots of reports, etc; alsmost all diagnostics have specific settings to determine what they do in detail. If they halt on error, you need the isting to determine exactly what caused the halt -- they don't, in general, print much informative info. > OK, the "magic decoder ring" for converting the MAINDECs to XXDP names > is quite simple. The MAINDEC # is of the form: > MAINDEC-11-Dxxxx-* > > To convert this to the XXDP diagnostic name keep only the xxxx part of > the MAINDEC #. To run it, do: > R xxxx?? > > The first letter in the diagnostic name tells you what processor it's > for. If I remember correctly C=11/40, Z=any B is 11/40; C is 11/45 > There's a document that tells all about it (but I can't remember where I > found it at the moment). That would probably be mine, at http://www.dunnington.u-net.com/public/PDP-11/XXDP.pdf XXDP.ps is the same content, just a different format. The bits from page 6 to 12 are from V2.4, but the rest is mostly version-independant. > The pack images that you're talking about don't have the correct memory > diagnostic, but I've found that ZMSDD0 (wow! from memory...can you tell > I've used it a bunch?) works OK enough to be able to find bad memory and > you'll know when you hit bad memory. I've also found that having a > hardcopy terminal is preferable to a CRT when you're getting failures. > > If a diagnostic loads and then gives you a prompt like "DB>", START is a > good choice as a response. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York

20 years, 6 months

Apollo Guidance Computer prototype replica

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Has anyone cached this yet? The bit rates are so low that it must be hosted on his machine at home. Heaven help him if this story gets posted to Slashdot :-) -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Vintage Computer Festival Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:41 PM To: Classic Computers Mailing List Subject: Apollo Guidance Computer prototype replica This is going to blow your mind. This guy built a replica of the Apollo Guidance Computer prototype circa 1964 using 1960s era components. http://starfish.osfn.org/AGCreplica/ Do I sense here a Best of Show award at the next VCF? :) -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

20 years, 6 months

Who Made/Makes the World Smallest Harddrive

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Not trying to start any flames but I didn't think they had any 30/30 rifles in UK. I thought that's why the Bobbies carried batons and a whistle. Sellam says > >Maybe it was both: the 30/30 evoked the name of the rifle, which also >happened to be the name of a nearby locale, and the naming was obvious >thenceforth. Mike

20 years, 6 months

Problems reading older disk on newer drive

by vcf＠siconic.com

I think we've discussed this before. Sorry if we're re-treading old ground. I'm trying to read a disk an old double-density PC formatted disk on a high-density drive. I can read the directory and certain small files just fine, but any files that are larger than a few sectors (or perhaps that span a track) return "Sector Not Found" errors. What is the deal with that? This is under DOS 6.22. Is there a way to get DOS to recognize that this is a double-density disk and to perform whatever internal magic is necessary to read the disk properly? Or is this an issue of hardware? -- Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org [ Old computing resources for business || Buy/Sell/Trade Vintage Computers ] [ and academia at www.VintageTech.com || at http://marketplace.vintage.org ]

20 years, 6 months

Our hobby in The New York Times -- sort of

by news＠computercollector.com

Hi everyone, This is VERY cool: Jeri Ellsworth and her C64 30-in-1 joystick are featured in The New York Times. As I write this email (2:54AM, Monday), it's on the actual nytimes.com homepage, with a color photo of her. The article itself is at (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/20/technology/20joystick.html?8dpc). There is a product review of the 30-in-1, head-to-head against the new Atari Flashback, at my own site (http://news.computercollector.com) -- click the 'reviews' link. Happy vintage gaming! - Evan K. ===== Tell your friends about the Computer Collector Newsletter! -- It's free and we'll never send spam or share your email address -- Publishing every Monday(-ish), ask about writing for us -- Mainframes to videogames, hardware and software, we cover it all Visit our web site for lots of extra content: http://news.computercollector.com Contact us at news(a)computercollector.com 600 readers and counting!

20 years, 6 months

Our hobby in The New York Times -- sort of

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

The intellectual property issues would be key for me, too and could have been dealt with in a few sentences. As far as the crappy-versus-good title licenses, I would offer up that the final choice of games comes down to (1) which IP owner you could locate and (2) successfully negotiate with. There's the firm...Tulip I think...that from what I've read seems to be ready to come down hard on anyone using abandoned Commodore properties for commercial gain. It's been a long road of failed owners, but I believe Tulip owns the Commodore trademarks and IP. I can't say for sure if they own the designs for the 6510 but I would assume that they bought a "package" of IP from Gateway, who bought it from Ascom AG, who bought it from the Commodore bankruptcy estate for $5mm (IIRC). There might be another name in there after Ascom, but I can't be sure. I think that Tulip uses the Commodore name for things other than computers but owns all of the goodies that's of particular interest to this group. Rich -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 3:46 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: Re: Our hobby in The New York Times -- sort of At 02:41 PM 12/20/2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote: >I can think of at least one more important issue to be concerned with :) Judging by Slashdot's coverage of Ellsworth and the geek response, at least 90% of this mailing list's bandwidth needs to be consumed debating her "hotness." Sated geek that I am, I'd love to read an in-depth article on the intellection property issues: Did they get permission from the CBM's heirs? Who got the 6510's IP rights? What about the software, was that easy to license? Why do so many of these cheap emulators license lousy titles, as opposed to the extinct top-sellers? - John

20 years, 6 months

Oldest computer on the internet?

by wacarder＠usit.net

Does anyone know what the oldest documented functional computer is that is connected to the internet? Ashley

20 years, 6 months

Differential Analysers and Scientific American

by allain＠panix.com

> I was wondering whether anyone here with '70s > issues of SciAm might be able to make a copy, Likely I have the issue stored. I'd have to leave it to you right now to find out which issue it would be. With that info I could make you a copy. John A. hope this can help you Bill the cat: "ACK TBFfffttt!"

20 years, 6 months

my old FIDO CP/M-80 machine running

by tomj＠wps.com

Deciphered the missing keyboard cable and the far, far too complicated keyboard interface (I practically rewired a Cromemco PRI board to be an interface for this lovely Microswitch parallel keyboard -- very hardware-head), soaked & washed the mouse poop off the floppy cable, repaired the section of conductor #50 nibbled by said rodentia, picked a system floppy at random (DSSD), typed "b" at the prompt... READ ERROR. Pulled a SSSD system disk, booted fine! Some fiddling, I can't read any sectors of side 2. That I will figure out. It does figure out sidedness. Found I have bunches of blank NOS DSDD floppies, not one SSSD blank! So no formatting etc. So I ran all the progs on the system disk (wordstar, sid, pmate, stat, etc) OK. Since I've got a bunch of SSSD system disks, I stuck another in the B drive (a sssd drive, since mice ruined the orig. drive), and ran MBASIC 5.03 off it. Man, the B drive spindle bearing is trashed; it's conversation-level loud. The G and right-shift keys on the keyboard don't work, and the RETURN key sends a garbage character then CR (but Control-M works so I can do stuff). I need to fix the "G" key, figure out the serial port stuff, then I can export the SSSD diskette contents. Once I fix the DS thing I'll do the other non 3740 format diskettes. I don't know yet what order I'll do things in though I will probably get one of the serial ports working to make sure. Luckily I have ZAPLOAD (bin to hex) and telink (telecomm) progs on the system disk.

20 years, 6 months

Apollo Guidance Computer prototype replica

by jfoust＠threedee.com

At 12:50 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote: >Has anyone cached this yet? The bit rates are so low that it must be hosted >on his machine at home. >Heaven help him if this story gets posted to Slashdot :-) Either there's a CCC Effect, or maybe whereever Sellam learned about it, others learned too. I'm getting about 1-4K/sec, but the first PDF is 8 meg. I can mirror when it's done. If you look up one directory, you'll see he's mirroring Carl Friend's site. - John

20 years, 6 months

Our hobby in The New York Times -- sort of

by eric＠brouhaha.com

> Tulip owns the Commodore trademarks and IP. I can't say for sure if they > own the designs for the 6510 It doesn't really matter, as no one building a product today would use any portion of the original 6510 design that is subject to intellectual property protection. The DTV 64-in-a-joystick, for instance, uses a new 6510-compatible HDL implementation. AFAIK, the only part of the original 6510 design that would be subject to intellectual property protection now would be the actual mask designs, which might (or might not) be copyrighted. No one in their right mind would try to make new 3 micron NMOS processors today, and the mask designs are not relevant to new redesigns.

20 years, 6 months

Who Made/Makes the World Smallest Harddrive( Winchester)

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

Actually in 1975 or 1976 one of my fellow graduate students, moving to Beaverton Oregon to work for Tektronix, was trying to move some early disk drives and was asked by the movers what they were. Home furnishings were readily moveable but not office stuff. So he put them in washer and dryer boxes and the movers were happy to move them. They had been used as end tables in his living room up until them. He also built the first Altair I ever saw. Andy said > >My experience of early hard disks was with the ICT EDS-4 which stored 4M 6-bit characters (ie about 3 MB) - the >(exchangeable) disk pack was close to the size of a complete PC ... the drives were referred to as "washing machines" >because of their size and appearance. (and the controller was about the same size also). The IBM equivalent was, I >think, the 1311 ... the 2311 being equivalent to the ICT EDS-8 (which had twice as many tracks as the eds4 but was >otherwise identical) Mike

20 years, 6 months

Resurgence of the C64/Tulip/Jeri

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Here are a few Web links that talks about Tulip and the C64. Some are bit old, but worth a read: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,111556,00.asp Article from 2003 that gives an overall look at the relationship. http://www.tulip.com/news/article.asp?nid=109 This one raises as many questions as it answers. It only speaks to enforcement for the unauthorized use of the Commodore name. http://www.tulip.com/aboutus/corp_article.asp?nid=145 This is an interesting link, too. Although it's in Dutch, the product looks remarkably similar to the one Jeri is holding in her hand. Interestingly, in a note on Ruud Baltassen's site indicates that Tulip doesn't mind people using the Commodore name in a non-commercial setting, I guess acknowledging that in the time between when it purchased "the name and other assets in 1997" and 2003 when they talk about developing game products for the PC (like the Atari Anthology program, I'm guessing -- old games running on a new machine using an emulator), a lot has happened. The problem is that no one ever says what "other assets" is. Rich

20 years, 6 months

olivetti underwood programmer 101 Kansas City

by mmcfadden＠cmh.edu

I just found and captured this programmable calculator. It still has a roll of paper in the feed. I would like it to go to a good home. It is heavy and big. I have not tried to power it up. Google search turned up the following information. Looks just like http://www.oldcalculatormuseum.com/c-programma101.html Any offers? Mike McFadden

20 years, 6 months

Apollo Guidance Computer prototype replica

by RCini＠congressfinancial.com

Ahhh...I thought I recognized the domain name from somewhere. -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces(a)classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces@classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of John Foust Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:22 PM To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org Subject: RE: Apollo Guidance Computer prototype replica At 12:50 PM 12/20/2004, you wrote: >Has anyone cached this yet? The bit rates are so low that it must be hosted >on his machine at home. >Heaven help him if this story gets posted to Slashdot :-) Either there's a CCC Effect, or maybe whereever Sellam learned about it, others learned too. I'm getting about 1-4K/sec, but the first PDF is 8 meg. I can mirror when it's done. If you look up one directory, you'll see he's mirroring Carl Friend's site. - John

20 years, 6 months

Domain Name Registration

by healyzh＠aracnet.com

Who do people like to use for registering domain names? DNS hosting would be a plus. Zane

20 years, 6 months

Interesting stuff on E-bay

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

HP 9915 computer <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=3860828545&ssPageNa me=STRK:MEWA:IT> HP HEWLETT PACKARD 200 SERIES 9920A SERVICE MANUAL <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5149350604&ssPageNa me=STRK:MEWA:IT> 3 Hewlett Packard HP Computer Sales Brochures 1975 <http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5147531234&ssPageNa me=STRK:MEWA:IT>

20 years, 6 months

question re HP 264x terminals

by jack.rubin＠ameritech.net

Which HP 264x terminals used 8008 cpus? I know that the 2640 and 2644 did - but did the 2648 or any others in the series also use it? What is the HP p/n for the 8008 in this application? Jack

20 years, 6 months

FET Cross-reference - a bit off-topic

by nbreeden2＠comcast.net

I'm in the middle of some repair work on an older Heathkit O-Scope model IO-102, the vertical board uses an N-Channel FET (Q1 - EL131 - Heathkit part number 417-241) which has become very thermal. I picked up a replacement >from a local electronics distributor however the crossed NTE part simply doesn't work in the circuit. (NTE cross shows an NTE133 as the cross for the EL131). I've tried a couple NTE133s and an MPF105 as well, all work the same in the circuit but don't work correctly. Does anyone know of an exact EL131 replacement, know if the ECG312 really is a good replacement or even better know where I can get a Heathkit replacement part. Digikey, Mouser etc. all don't recognize the EL131 part number. Thanks -Neil

20 years, 6 months

Macintosh collector groups?

by sml49＠comcast.net

Michael.. You might try posting them in the both the "free" area and "computer" area on Craigslist (www.craigslist.org); that might work. The IIsi has pretty much no value - ie: I doubt anyone would pay anything for one beyond the cost of shipping unless it has one or another of the more interesting PDS cards or adapters (does it?). I have quite a few si's that I've picked up at the local recycling depot. The 7200 is a more useful machine which is still upgradable. What comes with them by way of peripherals/ keyboards/ old sofware/ whatnot? I've been keeping a double handful of older Macs around here and the software to run 'em just in case some day down the line when I'm old and gray I suddenly have the urge to run PageMaker v. 2, or even Excel 1.04 (all 170K of it)...or the original MacPaint. Seth Lewin > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 13:18:55 -0500 > From: Michael <vaxlion(a)postal.lionsden.com> > Subject: Macintosh collector groups? > To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org > Message-ID: <41C4748F.6050100(a)postal.lionsden.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Howdy all, > > I have two Macs, a Mac IIsi and 7200, I would like to get rid of. Does > anyone have any recommendation for a Mac collectors group that might > have some individuals interested in these machines? Listings for these > machines on both Ebay and Vintage Marketplace have yeilded no takers. > > Thanks, > > -- Michael

20 years, 6 months

cool HP-IB find

by rigdonj＠cfl.rr.com

I went to one of my favorite scrounging spots today and found an interesting disk drive with a HP-IB inteface. The drive was made by IEM and it has two 105Mb removable cartridge drives in it. It looks like it takes Syquest disk cartridges. Does anyone have a couple of spare Syquest 105 mb cartridges to spare so I can try it out? Joe

20 years, 6 months

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