I've managed to come across a 'Votrax Personal Speech System'. I've found
some information from google, but haven't found out some important things
like what the pinout is on the power connector (it's a DIN-5). While I
can just trace the traces back to chips on the circuit board, it's proven
hard to disassemble, so I'd rather not if I don't have to.
Does anyone have enough information about this thing to tell me how it
wants to be powered?
Oh, and another thing. I've recently picked up a few 2-4VUPS VAXstations
that I'm working on trying to turn into a VMS cluster. I'm hoping to
create a public-access system - I remember seeing an article about another
one on SlashDot a few months ago. Because of the terms of the hobbyist
license, I'll need to make it a non-commercial-use-only cluster, but I'd
like to make it available to list members or other people to mess around
with.
Pat
--
Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS
Information Technology at Purdue
Research Computing and Storage
http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu
Hello John
Thankyou very much for your kind reply.
Yes it is a complete system.
I have checked Kermit in this system but I could not
find this S/W there. Might be my process was wrong.
And if it is there how can I access Kermit(how to find
wheather Kermit is there or not).
Is there any command for Kermit. Please suggest me how
to find wheather Kermit is there or not.
/********
Incase if kermit will not be installed then how can I
transfer the data.
********/
Basically it is the text data which I want to transfer
to the winnt PC. This system is having 8" floopy drive
& I also wants to transfer files from 8" floopies to
PC.
These files are important for me & I want to make
backup for these files into the another PC having WIN
NT.
Please advice me I will be very thankful to you.
I am in India.
Best regards
Kishore
--- John Lawson <jpl15(a)panix.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello Kishore. You do not give enough information
> to allow us to be of
> much help.
>
>
> Is this a complete system, or do you just have the
> diskdrive itself?
>
> If you have the whole machine, then most likely a
> program called 'Kermit'
> is installed - you need to also have the Windows
> version of Kermit on your
> PC, and then connect the serial ports together with
> a cable. OR, if you
> are lucky enough to have a newer DEC machine with
> Ethernet, you can just
> hook them up that way.
>
> If you have only the Drive - is it MFM? EDSI?
> SCSI?
>
> Is it just data you need? ASCII? HEX? Are there
> existing programs that
> you would need to execute after transferring? Are
> they MACRO11? FORTRAN?
> BASIC? Pascal? etc... would you need to run one
> of the PDP emulators on
> your PC? IS this for commercial use? Are you going
> to need to license the
> OS (from Mentec)?
>
> Also, where are you? If in the US or Canada, and
> you only have the drive
> (and the data is important or critical) I would
> suggest that you assemble
> a DEC system and install the Drive in it, then use
> Kermit. If you can't
> do that, perhaps you can send the drive to someone
> who would install it,
> extract the info, and return it to you. Just for
> example, I have a
> PDP-11/44 system with EDSI drives, 8" floppies, and
> a 14" removable-pack
> drive. It runs RSX 11M+ V5.03. If possible, you
> should know these details
> about your Drive, as all of this makes a large
> difference in just how to
> take the data off.
>
> You should write your message again to the
> classiccmp list, and give all
> the details you can think of. That way, we can
> steer you in the right
> direction.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> John
>
>
> REF:
>
> >Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:38:58 -0800 (PST)
> >From: nk badoni <badoni_nk(a)yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
> >To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
> >Subject: Tranfer of Files From RSX-11
> >
> >Hello
> >
> >I am Kishore.
> >
> >Could you please tell me that how can I tranfer the
> >files from Winchester Disk having RSX-11/PDP format
> >into a PC having Win NT operating system.
> >
> >Kishore
Stan:
My CDs were created from ISO images. The files were something like
hpux_11_0_disk1.iso.gz and hpux_11_0_disk2.iso.gz
I labeled the disks accordingly, and have tried both.
Haven't gotten a chance to examine the sectors yet. Will do that now
since I'm up with a horrendous case of the flu anyway. :P
Thanks!
---
John Willis
Field Service Engineer
Ariel Technologies
505.524.6860 voice 505.524.6863 fax
jwillis(a)arielusa.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Stan Sieler
Sent: Tue 2/18/2003 12:26 PM
To: John Willis; cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc:
Subject: RE: HP 9000 "Nova" I-class systems
Re:
> and I finally got a copy of HP-UX 11.0, but when I try
> to boot off the CD (boot 52.2.0.0), it says "Bad LIF magic."
I'm told
> this means the media is not
> bootable.
I can boot from CD ... if I use the right CD (I've had similar
problems when putting the wrong CD in).
What's your CD say on it?
Also, if you can read the first few sectors of the CD on another
system,
what do they look like? Byte 0 should be $80, and bytes 1..3
should
be readable ASCII.
--
Stan Sieler
sieler(a)allegro.com
www.allegro.com/sieler/wanted/index.html
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I have been working for some time on a pet project to make a mass
storage emulator for HP-IB systems. Given the massive improvement in
capacity that has taken place the past 10 years, most mass storage
devices from the 80s look pathetic.
For example, take the HP 9133H which is a massive unit that can store
about 5Mb. Even the compact flash cards that are bundled with popular
digital cameras can do better than that.
I started my project by trying to utilize the HP-IB drivers that are
part of the NetBSD Open Source Unix clone (which runs on the HP 300
series), but I have come to realize that the HP-IB cards are the
creating a new legacy issue.
Open Source drivers for HP-IB cards are very hard to find and thus any
solution that depends on them becomes de facto legacy (once the card
itself is no longer sold, finding the card becomes almost as difficult
as finding HP 9133H drives).
So I looked hard at the HP-IB bus itself (using the schematics from the
Series 80 adaptor) and it looks like a simple parallel bus. So why use
a custom card, if the PC parallel port can be adapted to drive an HP-IB
bus.
If the PC parallel port can be used, then I can port the NetBSD drivers
to use the parallel port, rather than the HP 300 HP-IB interface. The
NetBSD drivers also support SS-80 compatible mass storage devices,
which means that the implementation can be verified against a real
HP-IB mass storage device. If this works than the drivers will have to
be modified so that they become a mass storage "server" rather than a
"client" (i.e. a device that responds to mass storage requests, instead
of a computer that issues such requests).
Small i386 compatible single board computers are easily procurable and
embedded versions of *BSD and Linux systems run on these SBCs (they
even accept compact flash cards or more traditional hard disks). This
means that we can make a mass storage device that can physically fit
inside the cabinet of the main unit (e.g. Integral PC, or HP-87).
Anybody willing to provide assistance to this effort, is welcome to
contact me. However, I think that going through this list may be
more beneficial so that other people can contribute in the technical
discussion.
**vp
The system came with no hard drives, no media, and the 4mm tape and
CD-ROM were
disconnected from the SCSI chain. I was able to get the thing put back
together,
and I finally got a copy of HP-UX 11.0, but when I try
to boot off the CD (boot 52.2.0.0), it says "Bad LIF magic." I'm told
this means the media is not
bootable.
So my question is... how does one install HP-UX if the CD is not
bootable?
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Brown
Sent: Fri 2/14/2003 9:56 AM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Cc:
Subject: Re: HP 9000 "Nova" I-class systems
What's your question (I support several of these boxes..an 827,
a G40
and an H70).
-Bob
>Anyone out there have experience with HP 9000 "Nova" class
systems?
>Specifically the 9000/800 I40 especially, but any in the class.
>
>John
bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR
Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator
Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace
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Sellam writes:
> As I mentioned to you privately, I am not responsible for
> flame wars being started over comments I make.
Try avoiding off-topic reactionist banter to begin with. You
KNOW people are going to bite the bait and start a flame war.
I have my opinions on all those events, too, and will share
them with whoever wants to hear them, but ON THE APPROPRIATE
CHANNELS, which means, not here.
--fred
> Yes, those damned dirty A-rabs. We all know for a
> fact that they use the profits to finance terrorism
> because Colin Powell showed us a pretty graphic
> that proved it. All those people who have doubts
> are just stupid.
I don't want to start a to-do on this list, but I
couldn't let this pass..
Colin Powell showed real evidence that some people who
happen to be from the Middle East (Not sure if Hussein
and his people are Arabs) are doing some bad stuff.
The discussion is about bad people who happen to be
Arab. Not that all Arabs are bad people.
And it so happens, that a lot of terrorists in the
world today are from the Middle East. Used to be,
terrorists were Northern Irish...
The fact that some of the worst incidents have been
perpetrated by people from the Middle East does not
make Americans, British or others wrong for noticing
it. If anything, it means that it calls for others in
the Middle East to speak up and use the social
pressures or peers to put a stop to their fellow
citizens (all these bad people must be SOMEONE'S
brothers, sisters, sons, daughters, cousins,
neighbors...) doing all this bad stuff.
The displeasure that is aimed towards Middle Eastern
people from people in the West is because this isn't
happening. People are being killed daily, and instead
of having Millions of people stand up and protest
that.... We have millions of people stand up and
protest somebody trying to put a stop to it.
Yes, I think that's stupid. And I think the people who
condemn the police instead of the criminals, are
stupid...
> We all know a good A-rab is a dead A-rab. Fuck
> them. Let's go in there and take their precious
> oil from them so they can never use the profits
> to finance terrorism anymore. That'll end all
> terrorism forever and ever and we can live happily
> ever after guzzling all the free oil we want.
Not all American's or Westerners believe this.
While I would like that Terrorists get no money at
all, from any source. And I'm pretty sure lots of
Saudi money does indeed go to support terrorism. Drug
money from Poppy sales also goes there, and other
money goes there also.
I would like to see the oil money stay in the Middle
East, but used to feed and care for the people there.
To provide water, sanitation, schooling, and good
lives for the people in Middle Eastern countries.
Rather than being spent on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass
Destruction or persecution of Non Muslim peoples.
That is VERY frustrating for Americans. I contribute
money to charities all the time, and just get sick
when I think of all the Billions of Dollars spent on
weapons and death that instead should have been spent
on life and making the lives of people better.
People who are Anti-American, and Anti-Bush just don't
know the truth about Americans or George Bush. They
buy all sorts of stories that aren't true. Make up
motivations that aren't real.
We liberated Kuwait, but if you notice did not take
the country over. We returned it to the rightful
rulers. We've done the same throughout history.
History shows that Americans aren't interested in
ruling the world, only liberating other people to be
free and happy.
So, let's get back to discussing Classic Computers...
Regards,
Al
Hi
There was some software multitasking done on 6502's, as well
as other machines. This was done in Forth ( both preemptive
and various round robin taskers ). Forth has the advantage
that a task state can be saved with just two pointers. You
do need to swap task at word boundaries. This can cause
a little latency if it is a interrupt driven tasker.
( "word" here refers to the minimum executable unit of the Forth
engine and not the address size ).
Dwight
>From: "Patrick Finnegan" <pat(a)purdueriots.com>
>
>On Sat, 8 Feb 2003, Jim Keohane wrote:
>
>> =====excerpt=2======================
>>
>> A 6502 task context
>> would therefore require moving about 1KB, which would take about 4,500
>> instructions (at one instruction per cycle.) On a circa-1980's machine,
>> with a 1MHz clock, that would take about 4.5 msec.
>
>This gives me awfully devious ideas... First, were there any 'multitasking
>machines' designed around the 6502? If you wanted to do multitasking, it
>seems like you could design a fairly simple MMU that would swap out the
>zero-page and stack (or all of the memory pages) for different ones,
>depending on the running task. Leaving only a few registers that need to
>be saved, it would leave a very small overhead for task swapping. You
>could even implement kernel and user mode into the MMU, making it swap
>pages automatically on an interrupt or 'memory write' to signal a syscall
>(and a swapping of pages, interrupt to the CPU and transition to 'kernel
>mode').
>
>I think I'm going to need to start playing with designing a 6502-based
>machine now... Or maybe I should just get back to working on putting
>machines into racks so I have some floorspace around here to work in.
>
>Pat
>--
>Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS
>Information Technology at Purdue
>Research Computing and Storage
>http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu
On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, chu(a)verizon.net wrote:
> Big success and then a new problem. I took out the top three levels of my
> cards and reseated them. There's a lot of corrosion on the contacts so it
> inserts only with difficulty.
Maybe you should clean the contacts!
--
Jeffrey Sharp
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don Sykes" <anonymous(a)pacbell.net>
Newsgroups: comp.os.vms
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:24 PM
Subject: FREE VAXstation 4000-60
>
> If anyone has an interest in the following old system, let me know ASAP.
> I have to be out of my office by EOM and have nowhere to put this.
>
> Hardware........: VAXstation 4000-60
> Operating System: VMS Ver.V6.1
> *Full License set*
> Main Memory (32.00Mb)
> 2-RZ56 (1299174 blocks each)
> 1-RZ55 (649040 blocks)
> 1-RZ24 (409792 blocks)
> 2-TK50Z
> 1-RD40
> 1-TLZ04
> 1-VRT19DA (VT200 style RGB sync)
>
> Includes All cables
>
>
> --
>
> Have VMS, Will Travel
> Wire paladin, San Francisco
>
> (paladinATalphaseDOTcom)
